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Old 03-04-2008   #21
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I liked Eslinger as a prospect and we do have bodies. However, we have always had bodies yet no consistent play at Center.
I'm hoping that the quality of those bodies, plus the addition of Gibbs will help out the spot so it is not such a need going into the draft.
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Crocker would be a an upgrade or something for insurance in case of demps decieding to go elsewhere.

I'm thinking we're looking for a decent option behind Eslinger. With Flannigan and Hog cut White is the only experienced C option.
What about Steve McKinney? I just do not see center being a need greater than RB,LT, CB and FS. I do not see a draft pick being used before 6th if then.
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Let's not forget the Gibbs prototype OL man. He wants light, fast guys. Wade makes sense in that case.

Crocker looks to have decent stats. I would like to find some film on him first before I get excited.

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What about Steve McKinney? I just do not see center being a need greater than RB,LT, CB and FS. I do not see a draft pick being used before 6th if then.
Coming off injury? I'd rather him be a last option not a starter.
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What about Steve McKinney? I just do not see center being a need greater than RB,LT, CB and FS. I do not see a draft pick being used before 6th if then.
If/When Weary leaves McKinney will be moving to RG...right?
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i can still see us taking some1 like steve justice in the 4th if hes there
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Coming off injury? I'd rather him be a last option not a starter.
I thought he did very well and it seems most posters did also. I do not see center as being a big need this season.
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If/When Weary leaves McKinney will be moving to RG...right?
weary's a FA we haven't re-signed
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Coming off injury? I'd rather him be a last option not a starter.[/QUOTE I thought he did very well and it seems most posters did also. I do not see center as being a big need this season.
I thought we played better with him in at C as opposed to other options at the time.

But he's coming off a torn ACL and I'd rather see him at back at Guard barring injury to center again. I think in looking at other options at Center the staff agrees.
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Crocker isn't good at all. He takes poor angles and ddoesnt play the ball well. Mike Doss would be a better optionn to me.
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Crocker isn't good at all. He takes poor angles and ddoesnt play the ball well. Mike Doss would be a better optionn to me.
He's better than me.

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Let's not forget the Gibbs prototype OL man. He wants light, fast guys. Wade makes sense in that case.

Crocker looks to have decent stats. I would like to find some film on him first before I get excited.

I have to honestly say I do not know a thing about either of these two guys to say YaaY or go well crap, for now all I can say is appearently the have a heart beat.
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Crocker isn't good at all. He takes poor angles and ddoesnt play the ball well. Mike Doss would be a better optionn to me.
Didn't we hear the same things about Demps before he came here?
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If/When Weary leaves McKinney will be moving to RG...right?
I have Brisiel penciled in at right guard. I think McKinney(who stated he was doing well in rehabing) will start with the two late pickups White and Eisenberger(sp) duking it out in TC for center. I hope Studdard can play a role at guard this season. I am also hopeful that Brandon Frye beats out Jordan Black at tackle. I will not be surprised if Weary is not re-signed. Scott Jackson I think is still on roster 6'4" 300lbs Guard but I don't know much about him. Do not forget that many see Charles Spencer as a guard in 08 IF he makes it back.
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What about Chester Pitts? I don't think I want Studdard taking his place. And what about Salaam? Surely it's his job (at LT) to lose. Not that I want be happy if someone is able to beat him out, but one thing is for sure, I respect the job that Salaam has done. He has answered the bell, but I would like for him to be second string. But, I think he is the one that has to be beat out at LT, not Jordan Black.
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I have Brisiel penciled in at right guard. I think McKinney(who stated he was doing well in rehabing) will start with the two late pickups White and Eisenberger(sp) duking it out in TC for center. I hope Studdard can play a role at guard this season. I am also hopeful that Brandon Frye beats out Jordan Black at tackle. I will not be surprised if Weary is not re-signed. Scott Jackson I think is still on roster 6'4" 300lbs Guard but I don't know much about him. Do not forget that many see Charles Spencer as a guard in 08 IF he makes it back.
Butler was the swing tackle for the back half of the season. He already had a leg up on Black and Frye. I am interested to see how he does in his second year here.
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What about Chester Pitts? I don't think I want Studdard taking his place. And what about Salaam? Surely it's his job (at LT) to lose. Not that I want be happy if someone is able to beat him out, but one thing is for sure, I respect the job that Salaam has done. He has answered the bell, but I would like for him to be second string. But, I think he is the one that has to be beat out at LT, not Jordan Black.
On my roster Pitts will continue to be the starter at left guard. Briesel to start on right with Studdard backing up or maybe starting. If McKinney is beat out at center, he can back up either guard spot.
I do not see us drafting a tackle that will beat Salaam out at LT at least initially. I hope Fry beats out Black as the LT backup (2nd or 3rd depending on how the LT draft pick does. So LT: Salaam, Draft pick, Frye. Left Guard: Pitts (and nobody much else needed so far) Center: McKinney, White & Eisenberger. Right Guard:Briesel, Studdard. RT: Winston, Rashard Butler. Spencer will beat someone out hopefully. With the exception of the draft pick in 08, all of these players were on board in 07 regardless of Roster, IR, PS or PUP.
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I thought I saw that Frye was being moved inside to compete for one of the guard positions...so I am not sure that it is accurate to keep him as an option at LT. Maybe this has changed since Gibbs has come along?

I don't know why, but I feel like if we can pick up a safety plug at Center - we are going to be fine in the middle. We seem to have a lot of prospects to throw at both guard and center, with a combination of older players with some experience and younger guys with some upside. Like WR last year, I hope that we learn that we have plenty of depth at these spots.

IMO, we need to focus on LT and figure out the rest of the puzzle with the peices that already have.
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I thought I saw that Frye was being moved inside to compete for one of the guard positions...so I am not sure that it is accurate to keep him as an option at LT. Maybe this has changed since Gibbs has come along?

I don't know why, but I feel like if we can pick up a safety plug at Center - we are going to be fine in the middle. We seem to have a lot of prospects to throw at both guard and center, with a combination of older players with some experience and younger guys with some upside. Like WR last year, I hope that we learn that we have plenty of depth at these spots.

IMO, we need to focus on LT and figure out the rest of the puzzle with the peices that already have.
I agree but think the plug is on roster for center. Frye was a guard in college but listed as tackle. As others, he can play both.
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Thanks for the clarification. I agree with your assessment. I think when you put it down like that, it shows the depth that we are creating on the line. After 6 seasons we are finally starting to build the line to where it needs to be.
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