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**beerlover** · 03-01-2008

1. Miami Chris Long, DE/OLB- defensive cornerstone, smart, adaptable
2. St. Louis Jake Long, OT- OL best of class measureables/experience
3. Atlanta Glenn Dorsey, DT- emotional leadership, dynamic run stopper
4. Oakland Darren McFadden, RB- best athlete in draft, offensive weapon
5. Kansas City Matt Ryan, QB- skill player first, most ready Pro QB prospect
6. NY Jets Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB- agressive edge rusher, workout warrior
7. NE Patriots Leodis McKelvin, CB- best corner available, instinctive
8. Baltimore Ryan Clady, OT- great addtion to aging OL
9. Cincinnati Derrick Harvey, DE- flashes of greatness, playmaker
10. New Orleans Mike Jenkins, CB- smooth, fluid cover corner
11. Buffalo Keith Rivers, OLB- dynamic, can run with TE/RB's chase down QB's too
12. Denver Sedric Ellis, DT- improves run defense also helps pass rush
13. Carolina Phillip Merling, DE- strongside end to compliment Peppers
14. Chicago Rashard Mendenhall, RB- best RB in draft, stays in Illinois
15. Detroit Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie, CB- Lions go for athletic playmakers
16. Arizona Jonathan Stewart, RB- need more production in ground game to balance passing attack
17. Minnesota Quentin Groves, DE- oustanding speed rusher off the edge
18. Houston Chris Williams, OT- land franchise ZBS LT
19. Philadelphia Jeff Otah, OT- Project to groom under Runyun/Thomas
20. Tampa Bay Brian Brohm, QB- accurate pocket QB that Gruden likes
21. Washington Kenny Phillips, SS- fills some big shoes of fellow Hurricane
22. Dallas Brandon Flowers, CB/FS- need secondary help, physical style can break in at nickle
23. Pittsburgh Brandon Albert, OG- athletic beast would work right in Fanaeca open slot
24. Tennessee Limas Sweed, WR- big target for VY, hand issue should be resolved by draft day
25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG- versatile will be a guard but will be the back-up LT if needed
26. Jacksonville Dan Connor, MLB- steal, heady high motor consistant competitor
27. San Diego Kentwan Balmer, DT- fortify DL gives them a young athletic body inside
28. Dallas Devin Thomas, WR- moving up the boards, excellent speed, productive
29. San Francisco Joe Flacco, QB- don't care for Smith, Flacco has a much stronger arm, mesureables
30. Green Bay Aqib Talib, CB- big physical cold weather cover 2
32. Giants Gosder Cherilus, OT- beast w/mean streak, protection for Manning

b0ng · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by beerlover

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I could live with that. With Mendenhall and Stewart off the boards I could see Williams being the pick. Phillips, Talib, or Flowers wouldn't surprise me either.

Nor would Albert.

BattleRedToro · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by beerlover

5. Kansas City Matt Ryan, QB- skill player first, most ready Pro QB prospect

I just don't see Kansas City going after Matt Ryan at #5. I'm not sure that they would draft him even if they were able to trade down and he dropped to them.

**beerlover** · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by BattleRedToro

I just don't see Kansas City going after Matt Ryan at #5. I'm not sure that they would draft him even if they were able to trade down and he dropped to them.

I did have Ryan dropping but not real impressed with what KC has @ QB either (Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, David Greene) safe pick would be Clady, but when you have the chance to get the top QB prospect in his class you at least consider him. here is a Kansas City Star poll of who the fans want (Jake Long) but if he's gone Matt Ryan is 2nd-

Whom should the Chiefs take with the fifth overall pick in the NFL Draft?

Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State 196 3%
Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU 256 4%
Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC 91 1%
Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State 30 0%
Chris Long, DE, Virginia 183 3%
Jake Long, OT, Michigan 4849 75%
Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas 190 3%
Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College 451 7%
Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas 143 2%
None of the above. I'll make my suggestion in the comments below. 48 1%
Total Votes: 6437

Baltimore needs a tackle with Ogden thinking retirement- http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/ar...orts3-1-08.txt

**beerlover** · 03-01-2008

I realize that I just posted this post combine mock without any explanation of reasoning, so I digress. This is more of a draft board where I feel prospects stock value fall. some really helped their cause (Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie) others solidified placement (both Longs) while a few dissapointed (Sedric Ellis, Kenny Phillips). I'm not a beleiver in reaching for need, although this happens every draft, this mock are my current draft projections based upon bpa.

example:

Texans pick OT Chris Williams. we all know & feel they take a cb in the 1st rd. but if bpa is a LT how do they pass when this position is also a concern? now is a better LT prospect than Otah? for this system, yes but for Philly Otah is a better fit. both higher rated prospects in my view than Albert or Baker.

nunusguy · 03-01-2008

I hope Chris Williams is there for us BeerLover. He looks like a tremendous
prospect at one of if not our biggest need position.
What about the concern on his less than ideal arm-length for a LT ? We talked about that in another thread here recently, but that does that issue
concern you in CWs situation ?

**beerlover** · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

I hope Chris Williams is there for us BeerLover. He looks like a tremendous
prospect at one of if not our biggest need position.
What about the concern on his less than ideal arm-length for a LT ? We talked about that in another thread here recently, but that does that issue
concern you in CWs situation ?

I don't know why its so hard to get more information about players measureables post combine, guess I'll have to wait for ourlads scouting services draft guide to come out, but prior to the combine draft scout among others where saying, "At 6-foot-6 and 315 pounds, he has the wingspan and size any team likes in a blindside protector". Arm length is important but if its at least 32" it should not be debilitating for him to overcome, its more about hand placment anyways, even Jake Long admitted he holds almost every play & uses technique to hide it. the critical thing would seem to be his footwork & foot speed to adjust & seal off the outside while maintaining enough leverage (staying low) to block the bull/inside push.

bah007 · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by beerlover

I did have Ryan dropping but not real impressed with what KC has @ QB either (Brodie Croyle, Damon Huard, Tyler Thigpen, David Greene) safe pick would be Clady, but when you have the chance to get the top QB prospect in his class you at least consider him. here is a Kansas City Star poll of who the fans want (Jake Long) but if he's gone Matt Ryan is 2nd-

Whom should the Chiefs take with the fifth overall pick in the NFL Draft?

Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State 196 3%
Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU 256 4%
Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC 91 1%
Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State 30 0%
Chris Long, DE, Virginia 183 3%
Jake Long, OT, Michigan 4849 75%
Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas 190 3%
Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College 451 7%
Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas 143 2%
None of the above. I'll make my suggestion in the comments below. 48 1%
Total Votes: 6437

Baltimore needs a tackle with Ogden thinking retirement- http://www.carrollcountytimes.com/ar...orts3-1-08.txt

Just cuz the fans want Ryan doesn't mean that they would draft him.

If that were the case, then us Texans fans would be wearing Reggie Bush or Vince Young jerseys instead of Mario Williams.

**Thorn** · 03-01-2008

A couple of days ago I read through about a dozen or so mock drafts, and way over half of them had us taking a RB in the first round. Not that these mock drafts have any thing to do with reality.

I think our first pick will be determined by what position we didn't help ourselves with in free agency. Still, I like us getting a good OT or center in the first round. I think it will be cheaper to pick up a few servicable DBs in free agency, than linemen.

bah007 · 03-01-2008

SF just picked up the option on Smith's contract to keep him through 2010 so I dont see them going QB in the 1st. Maybe they pick one up later, but not in the 1st.

**beerlover** · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by bah007

SF just picked up the option on Smith's contract to keep him through 2010 so I dont see them going QB in the 1st. Maybe they pick one up later, but not in the 1st.

thats on them isn't it. same thing the Texans did with Carr & how'd that work out

a bust #1 is a bust no matter how you frame it

bah007 · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by beerlover

thats on them isn't it. same thing the Texans did with Carr & how'd that work out

a bust #1 is a bust no matter how you frame it

The point is, why give them a QB in your mock if you know they won't draft one?

**beerlover** · 03-01-2008

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Originally Posted by bah007

The point is, why give them a QB in your mock if you know they won't draft one?

bpa, NFL QB's don't grow on trees

**beerlover** · 03-01-2008

speaking of QB's was watching NFL Network earlier & heard John Gruden telling his QB (not sure who it was) the play call, very in depth, while the QB looked completely lost. Gruden is very cerebral that way something he could have in common with Bhrom. very important to be on the same page with the coach, you can talk measureables all day but in the end communication skills are just as important.

Goldensilence · 03-02-2008

Baltimore chose Jared Gaither in the Supplemental draft last year. I'm wondering why that'd take Clady

I think It's most likely they'll take Brohm

**beerlover** · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Goldensilence

Baltimore chose Jared Gaither in the Supplemental draft last year. I'm wondering why that'd take Clady

I think It's most likely they'll take Brohm

you may be right.

this is based according to bpa & Brohm is nor rated this high on my draft board even though QB makes sense. maybe Matt Ryan slips, maybe they trade down or maybe KC reaches #5 like Arizona did last draft for Levi Brown & take Clady? who knows what teams are gonna do for sure, this is based upon my own projections for each team based on bpa that fill high priority needs

Insideop · 03-02-2008

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Originally Posted by beerlover

I don't know why its so hard to get more information about players measureables post combine, guess I'll have to wait for ourlads scouting services draft guide to come out, but prior to the combine draft scout among others where saying, "At 6-foot-6 and 315 pounds, he has the wingspan and size any team likes in a blindside protector". Arm length is important but if its at least 32" it should not be debilitating for him to overcome, its more about hand placment anyways, even Jake Long admitted he holds almost every play & uses technique to hide it. the critical thing would seem to be his footwork & foot speed to adjust & seal off the outside while maintaining enough leverage (staying low) to block the bull/inside push.

According to WalterFootball.com, Williams has an arm length of 32 7/8 inches and did 21 bench presses. He will definately have to work on his upper body strength. As for footwork, I don't know how he did, compared to other OT's, in the drills at the Combine, but he did have one of the better 40 times.

nunusguy · 03-03-2008

Sam Baker is not in your first round ? Is he worthy of a second round pick ?
I think he was at the Combine, but I dunno what he did as I haven't seen any
results for him ? Maybe he just interviewed ? Hopefully he's not hurt again.

YoungTexanFan · 03-03-2008

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Originally Posted by nunusguy

Sam Baker is not in your first round ? Is he worthy of a second round pick ?
I think he was at the Combine, but I dunno what he did as I haven't seen any
results for him ? Maybe he just interviewed ? Hopefully he's not hurt again.

He has just had an average post-season. He has worked himself into a second rounder, and may in fact have to slide inside to guard.

threetoedpete · 03-03-2008

25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG- versatile will be a guard but will be the back-up LT if needed

03-01-2008	#6
nunusguy Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 8,991 Rep Power: 184	Re: Post Combine Mock I hope Chris Williams is there for us BeerLover. He looks like a tremendous prospect at one of if not our biggest need position. What about the concern on his less than ideal arm-length for a LT ? We talked about that in another thread here recently, but that does that issue concern you in CWs situation ?

03-01-2008	#9
Thorn Dirty Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston Section: Restrained in the mental ward Age: 62 Posts: 18,324 Rep Power: 55888	Re: Post Combine Mock A couple of days ago I read through about a dozen or so mock drafts, and way over half of them had us taking a RB in the first round. Not that these mock drafts have any thing to do with reality. I think our first pick will be determined by what position we didn't help ourselves with in free agency. Still, I like us getting a good OT or center in the first round. I think it will be cheaper to pick up a few servicable DBs in free agency, than linemen. __________________ "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." --- John Wayne

03-01-2008	#10
bah007 Hall of Fame Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 7,230 Rep Power: 2340	Re: Post Combine Mock SF just picked up the option on Smith's contract to keep him through 2010 so I dont see them going QB in the 1st. Maybe they pick one up later, but not in the 1st.

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beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,378 Rep Power: 15075	Re: Post Combine Mock speaking of QB's was watching NFL Network earlier & heard John Gruden telling his QB (not sure who it was) the play call, very in depth, while the QB looked completely lost. Gruden is very cerebral that way something he could have in common with Bhrom. very important to be on the same page with the coach, you can talk measureables all day but in the end communication skills are just as important. __________________ 2012 Draft was Mercilus

03-02-2008	#15
Goldensilence Is this Sparta? Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Out of the desert finally... Age: 31 Posts: 5,031 Rep Power: 6218	Re: Post Combine Mock Baltimore chose Jared Gaither in the Supplemental draft last year. I'm wondering why that'd take Clady I think It's most likely they'll take Brohm

03-01-2008	#1
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,378 Rep Power: 15075	Post Combine Mock 1. Miami Chris Long, DE/OLB- defensive cornerstone, smart, adaptable 2. St. Louis Jake Long, OT- OL best of class measureables/experience 3. Atlanta Glenn Dorsey, DT- emotional leadership, dynamic run stopper 4. Oakland Darren McFadden, RB- best athlete in draft, offensive weapon 5. Kansas City Matt Ryan, QB- skill player first, most ready Pro QB prospect 6. NY Jets Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB- agressive edge rusher, workout warrior 7. NE Patriots Leodis McKelvin, CB- best corner available, instinctive 8. Baltimore Ryan Clady, OT- great addtion to aging OL 9. Cincinnati Derrick Harvey, DE- flashes of greatness, playmaker 10. New Orleans Mike Jenkins, CB- smooth, fluid cover corner 11. Buffalo Keith Rivers, OLB- dynamic, can run with TE/RB's chase down QB's too 12. Denver Sedric Ellis, DT- improves run defense also helps pass rush 13. Carolina Phillip Merling, DE- strongside end to compliment Peppers 14. Chicago Rashard Mendenhall, RB- best RB in draft, stays in Illinois 15. Detroit Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie, CB- Lions go for athletic playmakers 16. Arizona Jonathan Stewart, RB- need more production in ground game to balance passing attack 17. Minnesota Quentin Groves, DE- oustanding speed rusher off the edge 18. Houston Chris Williams, OT- land franchise ZBS LT 19. Philadelphia Jeff Otah, OT- Project to groom under Runyun/Thomas 20. Tampa Bay Brian Brohm, QB- accurate pocket QB that Gruden likes 21. Washington Kenny Phillips, SS- fills some big shoes of fellow Hurricane 22. Dallas Brandon Flowers, CB/FS- need secondary help, physical style can break in at nickle 23. Pittsburgh Brandon Albert, OG- athletic beast would work right in Fanaeca open slot 24. Tennessee Limas Sweed, WR- big target for VY, hand issue should be resolved by draft day 25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG- versatile will be a guard but will be the back-up LT if needed 26. Jacksonville Dan Connor, MLB- steal, heady high motor consistant competitor 27. San Diego Kentwan Balmer, DT- fortify DL gives them a young athletic body inside 28. Dallas Devin Thomas, WR- moving up the boards, excellent speed, productive 29. San Francisco Joe Flacco, QB- don't care for Smith, Flacco has a much stronger arm, mesureables 30. Green Bay Aqib Talib, CB- big physical cold weather cover 2 32. Giants Gosder Cherilus, OT- beast w/mean streak, protection for Manning __________________ 2012 Draft was Mercilus

03-01-2008	#5
beerlover Site Contributor Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 11,378 Rep Power: 15075	Re: Post Combine Mock I realize that I just posted this post combine mock without any explanation of reasoning, so I digress. This is more of a draft board where I feel prospects stock value fall. some really helped their cause (Dominack Rodgers-Cromartie) others solidified placement (both Longs) while a few dissapointed (Sedric Ellis, Kenny Phillips). I'm not a beleiver in reaching for need, although this happens every draft, this mock are my current draft projections based upon bpa. example: Texans pick OT Chris Williams. we all know & feel they take a cb in the 1st rd. but if bpa is a LT how do they pass when this position is also a concern? now is a better LT prospect than Otah? for this system, yes but for Philly Otah is a better fit. both higher rated prospects in my view than Albert or Baker. __________________ 2012 Draft was Mercilus

03-03-2008	#18
nunusguy Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 8,991 Rep Power: 184	Re: Post Combine Mock Sam Baker is not in your first round ? Is he worthy of a second round pick ? I think he was at the Combine, but I dunno what he did as I haven't seen any results for him ? Maybe he just interviewed ? Hopefully he's not hurt again.

03-03-2008	#20
threetoedpete Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Katy, Texas Age: 57 Posts: 6,644 Rep Power: 141	Re: Post Combine Mock 25. Seattle Sam Baker, OG- versatile will be a guard but will be the back-up LT if needed __________________ "Everybody understands that the only way we're going to do it is by extremely hard work."

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