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Old 02-28-2008   #21
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I think it is a pretty smart move. Kubes has always liked our D backs.
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CC Sucks. I'll give em a 72 Hank Aaron card in trade. He is easily replacable. He is barely worth a 6th rounder much less a 2nd rounder.
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There's a good chance Demps is gone so I guess they wanted to make sure they kept at least one of their experienced safeties in the house. $1.4 isn't crazy money - even for C.C - as long as it remains a one year deal at that price.
gut feeling or something on the grapevine?
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If no offer is made, C.C. re-signs for what the Texans decide to offer him.
No--he has been tendered the $1.4 mil contract. If he doesn't sign with another team, he will sign that contract.

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No--AD is an unrestricted free agent vs. CC who was a restricted free agent. The restriction is the ability of the team to make these varying tender offers, receive the right to match a contract offer from another team or receive draft pick compensation.
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gut feeling or something on the grapevine?
Here's something I came across yesterday. Hopefully it's not true.

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Among safeties, New England's Eugene Wilson -- who also can play cornerback -- is on Miami's radar. Former Giants and Texans safety Will Demps wouldn't be surprised if he ends up with Miami, an associate said.
http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/434805.html
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Here's something I came across yesterday. Hopefully it's not true.



http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/434805.html
How does Demps saying that Wilson might end up in Miami, mean that Demps might leave the Texans?

But then again I could be reading it wrong.

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It's one of those deals where he's worth more than a 6th but less than a 2nd and in his case, there's nothing in-between in terms of RFA tenders.

Low tender is $927k, which could have been low enough to attract another team with a 6th to spare. But even though they have first right of refusal I guess the Texans decided to spend an extra 500k that they would probably have had to spend anyway in a counter-offer situation to keep him off the market.

There's a good chance Demps is gone so I guess they wanted to make sure they kept at least one of their experienced safeties in the house. $1.4 isn't crazy money - even for C.C - as long as it remains a one year deal at that price.
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Starting Safety for his first three years who is a character guy that costs us ~1/116th of our cap seems like a bargain to me. The real cost is a roster spot.

Lastly, I have always felt that Safeties get better with age. I cannot qualify that, just a feel.
This is they way I see it as well. I like CC and I think he still has untapped upside.
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How does Demps saying that Wilson might end up in Miami, mean that Demps might leave the Texans?
You're reading it the wrong way HB, I think. They're saying Demps might end up playing in Miami. At least that's the way I understood it.
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You're reading it the wrong way HB, I think. They're saying Demps might end up playing in Miami. At least that's the way I understood it.
Maybe I am.

If we lose Demps, and keep CC who plays FS? With Earl coming back do they move CC back to FS? Did Harrison or Mitchell show something over the year that makes the team think that one of them can play the other safety spot? It's not like this is a strong FA class of draft class for center-field type safeties. That is assuming that the Texans want a centerfeild type FS.
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How does Demps saying that Wilson might end up in Miami, mean that Demps might leave the Texans?

But then again I could be reading it wrong.
I'm starting to feel sick. I might need to leave work.

Could they have tendered Demps?

Not really surprised to hear it. I've heard it mentioned on 610 once a couple of months ago. Sounds like they were never planning on keeping him.
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IIRC Kubiak wants Harrison to play Free Safety. He got off to a slow start last year by not playing in the spring with the team and then getting injured. We will see what he has this season hopefully.
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He may not be worth a second round pick, but he's definitely worth more than the 6th rounder we spent on him. He's a character guy, who seems to be paid appropriately, and he's pretty productive. I think we would talk about him a lot less if he were paired with a good safety opposite him. Regardless, he's already proven what he is at the NFL level, though he may still improve some. A drafted rookie, even in the 2nd round, is much moreso a roll of the dice.
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Could they have tendered Demps?
No. The only people who are subject to RFA rules and tenders are players who (a) have acquired three seasons in the league and (b) are not under contract. Four+ years and you go straight to UFA. Sign a four+ year rookie contract and you will never be a RFA (assuming you play out the contract).
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How does Demps saying that Wilson might end up in Miami, mean that Demps might leave the Texans?

But then again I could be reading it wrong.
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IIRC Kubiak wants Harrison to play Free Safety. He got off to a slow start last year by not playing in the spring with the team and then getting injured. We will see what he has this season hopefully.
You may be right but he is pretty big for for a FS. His speed is from 4.58 to 4.68. He is a tweener and I'd be ok with him if we get a fast CB to augment Bennett.
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IIRC Kubiak wants Harrison to play Free Safety. He got off to a slow start last year by not playing in the spring with the team and then getting injured. We will see what he has this season hopefully.
I still want to keep Demps if at all possible. If anything, we need Depth in the secondary more than anywhere. Not to mention said his priority with our team is to "Not let good players leave". That would be a mistake.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/1262/story/434805.html

Quick, someone start a Will Demps for Ricky Williams sign and trade thread and see what kind of churn we could get out of it.
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You may be right but he is pretty big for for a FS. His speed is from 4.58 to 4.68.
Doesn't matter really. Ed Reed ran a 4.67 and 4.70 at the combine iirc. he can still cover though
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You may be right but he is pretty big for for a FS. His speed is from 4.58 to 4.68. He is a tweener and I'd be ok with him if we get a fast CB to augment Bennett.
That's a HUGE 'if'.
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I like the deal. CC had an increasing year last year and we saw him get better primarily because he moved back to SS. He is pretty valuable to the team and you don't really want to lose him. If we didn't tender, he becomes unrestricted and we run the risk of losing a veteran player, that had been dependable injury wise, and knows the system as a SS and FS. He brings depth either way. Tendering the dude, makes sure he stays home with us. Hopefully Demps can get signed and we can focus on Andre Davis.
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