3rd hand Texans rumor

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

no, some yayhoo wanted to take some cheap shots at Mack Brown and at Longhorns in the NFL and he was called on it. lord knows things arent perfect in Austin but to make assertations that UT sucks for NFL talent is just laughable at best. Some people need to just learn how to read and make cogent arguments before they go spouting off at the mouth about things they no next to nothing about.

I've lived in Austin since 1995. I didn't go to UT but I certainly spent years rooting for them- I still really like the basketball team. However, the years of these myopic and obnoxious fans make it almost impossible to root for the football team. I was excited when Mack Brown came to UT. It was certainly good for the program. However, by the time the Roy Williams, Corey Redding class became seniors I became disenchanted with Brown's coaching ability. There are many things Mack does well. However, most of his elite talent has underperformed, wilted in big games against elite competition, and not exhibited the work ethic or intensity needed to excel in the NFL. That doesn't mean that Mack Brown, as a whole, is a bad person to head the Texas program. I don't understand how anyone can look at the immense talent that's walked into and out of the UT doors and not see that they underperform at an alarming rate.

What is so amazing about Vince Young, is that he was able to grow and develop and lift the level of that team despite those conditions.

Of all the talent that has entered the NFL from UT, who has been better than expected?

LDavis
MWilliams
Jammer
Benson
RWilliams
Huff
CSimms
Roy Williams
Derrick Johnson
Corey Redding
Shaun Rogers

and many others...

I'd agree that Vince Young may one day become a very good NFL QB. Also, I think Casey Hampton has at least met expecations as a very good DT. Other than that, I struggle to come up with any.

Meanwhile, if you look at the other schools that bring in similar talent, you will find plenty of examples of players playing at an elite level.

Look up guys from USC, Miami, Ohio St.... that's the talent level Mack brings in.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by bah007

You convieniently leave out that Leonard Davis made the Pro Bowl as a OG this year.

Roy Williams just might be the best player on his entire team.

And its Jammer's fault that his coach got fired???

I guess Andre Johnson should be considered a bust since he couldnt keep his first head coach around.

Thought I had put in Davis's probowl appearance, at a position he was not drafted to play, OGs are never taken #2 in the salary cap era. It got deleted in an edit I did to shorten my comments. I know his brother very well, and have had very good insight into Leonard.

Roy is a talent when he is playing, and he has had run ins with his now former OC, the pass happy Mike Martz, only WR I have heard of to be unhappy with Martz. And he is on the trading blocks now because?

Jammer's coach being let go was only mentioned because most of these player have been traded, let move on to a new team, been cut, or had the regime that drafted them fired.

Jammer so far is the only player in this group to seem to be above anyone questioning his commitment. And as I stated before I will give Huff a pass due to his length of time in the league.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by mexican_texan

Looks like we're trying to trade for Chester Taylor.

http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm

ESPN is reporting we may be looking at Duece


http://www.espn.com/nosaints/trade/nfl.cfm

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

ESPN is reporting we may be looking at Duece


http://www.espn.com/nosaints/trade/nfl.cfm

Okay, maybe SecondHoneymoon is right about me, because I've totally fallen for this gag twice now!

[threetoedpete]

OMG texas Red !!! I thought I'd been transported to a discos in the eighties. I'm going to need a tekillya shot after that lol.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Okay, maybe SecondHoneymoon is right about me, because I've totally fallen for this gag twice now!

Not only that, but I clicked the first thread three times, thinking something weird had happened and somehow if I was persistant enough with the link, I would eventually be able to read the story about us acquiring Chester Taylor!

[J-Russ]

Originally Posted by mexican_texan

Looks like we're trying to trade for Chester Taylor.

http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/nfldraft.cfm

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

ESPN is reporting we may be looking at Duece


http://www.espn.com/nosaints/trade/nfl.cfm

Edgerrin James coming back to the AFC south?

www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[TEXANS84]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

ESPN is reporting we may be looking at Duece


http://www.espn.com/nosaints/trade/nfl.cfm

Mah!!! You got me too...

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

ESPN is reporting we may be looking at Duece


http://www.espn.com/nosaints/trade/nfl.cfm

"You know the rules and so do I."

[drewmar74]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

ESPN is reporting we may be looking at Duece


http://www.espn.com/nosaints/trade/nfl.cfm

You sir, are a cold and heartless SOB.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Jammer's coach being let go was only mentioned because most of these player have been traded, let move on to a new team, been cut, or had the regime that drafted them fired. .

To be fair, when you consider that most if not all of the guys you pointed out were drafted high by bad teams. How many teams with top ten picks keep their coaches?

[Malloy]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Actually 8 in the top 7 since Mack took over:

Ricky Williams - 1999 - 5th overall
Leonard Davis - 2001 - 2nd overall
Mike Williams - 2002 - 4th overall
Quentin Jammer -2002 - 5th overall
Roy Williams - 2004 - 7th overall
Cedric Benson - 2005 - 4th overall
Vince Young - 2006 - 3rd overall
Michael Huff - 2006 - 7th overall

A pretty amazing amount of draft talent. But for the most part, they've underachieved at the NFL level. Is there some correlation between the school they played at, or is it mere coincidence? I think most were just overdrafted based upon measurables. Though I still believe Ricky for one had the talent, just too many demons.

I think you're on to something. The big schools have a much larger exposure, specifically to the public but I suspect this is the case for NFL-teams and coaches too.

I've had this thought for awhile now actually, think it started when we drafted Mathis. Alot of people would comment on how the hell we thought we would be able to get talent from 'such a small school without a decent program'. Also when we had our asses chewed a season or two ago, the reaction by many were that how could we lose to 'some unknown QB from a no talent school'.

Fans buy into the hype, ESPN does (and creates its own hype at the same time). I find it hard to believe that no scouts or NFL coaches should be influenced by this hype too. After all, larger schools with money-making athlethics programs do spend on advertisement and PR.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Actually 8 in the top 7 since Mack took over:

Ricky Williams - 1999 - 5th overall
Leonard Davis - 2001 - 2nd overall
Mike Williams - 2002 - 4th overall
Quentin Jammer -2002 - 5th overall
Roy Williams - 2004 - 7th overall
Cedric Benson - 2005 - 4th overall
Vince Young - 2006 - 3rd overall
Michael Huff - 2006 - 7th overall

A pretty amazing amount of draft talent. But for the most part, they've underachieved at the NFL level. Is there some correlation between the school they played at, or is it mere coincidence? I think most were just overdrafted based upon measurables. Though I still believe Ricky for one had the talent, just too many demons.

I am quoting your post as it has become the point of reference the last two pages.

Mack Brown is what he is a great college coach. He rebuilt a program and has restored the luster that few schools could only dream of. For better or worse Texas has become a system Offense and most of the players in this discussion are Greg Davis recruited, coddled and/or "developed" guys into the system. Yep they were great talents in HS and have some name notoriety. Yep they came to a top flight school and played in big games and won many of them. But in my opinion our offense is the most exciting, inconsistent offense in the nation. I can't stand it watching Texas football players playing a style of play that looks totally foreign. In my opinion it simply has no flow and when you do not have a VY to run it, players lose faith real quick because it is a style that they believe, or the people back home believe, is a gimmick.

Yes HS football in Texas is changing and I believe change is good, but what needs to change is Greg Davis quickly, as the trending does not only raise an eye brow.

Unless I missed it, the only thing more alarming is everyone leaving off 1st rounder and Super Bowl Champ Aaron Ross. UT has become Secondary U.

I will say this about Benson watching him in HS. You knew he was a NFL player as eveytime he ran he would fall forward and pick up another two yards and he just ran with a purpose, but was never a burner (on the field). I am not surprised he has not panned out, nor was I surprised when he was drafted so high. He has a couple of 1,000 yard seasons in him left, in my opinion, which would round out an average career, which is exactly what I thought he would be.

[Texans_Chick]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

I am quoting your post as it has become the point of reference the last two pages.

Mack Brown is what he is a great college coach. He rebuilt a program and has restored the luster that few schools could only dream of. For better or worse Texas has become a system Offense and most of the players in this discussion are Greg Davis recruited, coddled and/or "developed" guys into the system. Yep they were great talents in HS and have some name notoriety. Yep they came to a top flight school and played in big games and won many of them. But in my opinion our offense is the most exciting, inconsistent offense in the nation. I can't stand it watching Texas football players playing a style of play that looks totally foreign. In my opinion it simply has no flow and when you do not have a VY to run it, players lose faith real quick because it is a style that they believe, or the people back home believe, is a gimmick.

Yes HS football in Texas is changing and I believe change is good, but what needs to change is Greg Davis quickly, as the trending does not only raise an eye brow.

Unless I missed it, the only thing more alarming is everyone leaving off 1st rounder and Super Bowl Champ Aaron Ross. UT has become Secondary U.

I will say this about Benson watching him in HS. You knew he was a NFL player as eveytime he ran he would fall forward and pick up another two yards and he just ran with a purpose, but was never a burner (on the field). I am not surprised he has not panned out, nor was I surprised when he was drafted so high. He has a couple of 1,000 yard seasons in him left, in my opinion, which would round out an average career, which is exactly what I thought he would be.

Nice post.

I think that coaches all have different styles. Brown's style is one that recruits want to come to. He gets the best coming out of high school, and with that comes some ego from the kids He protects them in a bubble and defends them up until the point that something indefensible happens.

If you have had a coach that is like a father to you and cares for you and your family, and you go to school in a very friendly environment, where your job is almost handed to you as a recruiting promise, it is a dash of cold water to have to really work and compete for a job.

Coming from a protected environment with a niiiiiice coach, it sucks to go to a backside-chewing coach. Ricky Williams is the exaggerated version of that, but to a lesser degree I think it applies to some of the others. If everyone always treats you like the king and gives you special privileges, you might lose your desire to work hard.

Funny how Brown put more discipline on his players pre-bowl game last year and made them compete more.

[eriadoc]

Re: Texas players in the pros - Casey Hampton is the best player to come out of UT in the past 10 years, IMO. Of course, he's a nose tackle, so he's not going to get much recognition.

[Bubbajwp]

Originally Posted by Second Honeymoon

no, some yayhoo wanted to take some cheap shots at Mack Brown and at Longhorns in the NFL and he was called on it. lord knows things arent perfect in Austin but to make assertations that UT sucks for NFL talent is just laughable at best. Some people need to just learn how to read and make cogent arguments before they go spouting off at the mouth about things they no next to nothing about.

You just destroyed your entire argument by misspelling know. lol

[Bubbajwp]

WR Roy Williams has done pretty good in a bad situation.

[PHAROAH]

I haven't seen anything about the Texans trading for anyone.

[Specnatz]

Originally Posted by PHAROAH

I haven't seen anything about the Texans trading for anyone.

That is why it is 3rd hand rumor.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by Bubbajwp

You just destroyed your entire argument by misspelling know. lol

oh know.....