Flanagan/Hogdon/Barber/Putzier out

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I've been told that the Texans are pretty high on Dan Stevenson. He isn't a center but he is an interior lineman with great feet and good size (6'5" 300).

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

I know this is kinda old, but do y'all think it was just a coinkadink that Chucky Okobi and Dan Stevenson were signed 4 days after Gibbs was brought on? Or do y'all think Gibbs was the one wanting to bring them in?

nope, no coincidence...Stevenson is a guy known for great feet, long arms but not the strongest guy (sounds like a zbs guy to me).

here is an interview I found....sounds like a high character guy to me.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Vinny

nope, no coincidence...Stevenson is a guy known for great feet, long arms but not the strongest guy (sounds like a zbs guy to me).

here is an interview I found....sounds like a high character guy to me.

Kid is a real bible-pounder isn't he ? But that's usually a good thing for football players. Gives 'em focus, dedication, and devotion to the team.
And athletically he does look like a candidate for Gibb's system. I googled
him just now and found he even played volleyball in HS, probably another sign of quickness and coordination.

[steds]

How the hell do you pronounce Hodgdon?

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by steds

How the hell do you pronounce Hodgdon?

Palillo was saying it like Hodge - Done. He's usually pretty good about how to pronounce a guy's name.

[Overalls]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Palillo was saying it like Hodge - Done. He's usually pretty good about how to pronounce a guy's name.

I find Charley pompous but bright so he is probable right.

[Hottoddie]

It sounds like we have enough guys for the center spot, but I'd like to throw one more name into the mix. Seth McKinney. He's played center/guard & is an UFA. It's always possible that big brother could be putting the hard sell on behind the scenes.

[The Pencil Neck]

I don't see why people are surprised about Hodgdon. He got cut last year before the season started and only got brought back after all the interior line injuries.

[Spike]

Both of these guys played hard for the Texans, but the center position is one of the top 5 positions on the team that absolutely needs an upgrade. After Steve went down, there was a notable decline in the line play with Flanagan at center. I had hoped to see White get more snaps at center, but he just got injured at the wrong time. White has earned the right to compete for a starting spot at center or guard. These boards got me excited about the prospect of Eslinger and I thought Brisiel intrugues me as well.

Keeping Flanagan would have been the conservative move and cutting him is going to allow someone else to come in and improve this unit.

[TEXANS84]

Per 94.5, also stated LB Shawn Barber released.

[bigbrewster2000]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Kid is a real bible-pounder isn't he ? But that's usually a good thing for football players. Gives 'em focus, dedication, and devotion to the team.
And athletically he does look like a candidate for Gibb's system. I googled
him just now and found he even played volleyball in HS, probably another sign of quickness and coordination.

Not only is that usually good for football players but it is also good for any person

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Vinny

He gets pushed around too easily in the little I've seen him play.

I've been told that the Texans are pretty high on Dan Stevenson. He isn't a center but he is an interior lineman with great feet and good size (6'5" 300).

Lance Z was saying, in his chat, that the Texans are also still high on Butler and Frye.

Is there any chance that Butler developes into a starting LT under Gibbs' eye?
Lance_Zierlein: Yes. He and Brandon Frye are two to keep your eye on.

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootba...b_18_chat.html

[Goldensilence]

Originally Posted by Hoth-Boy

Lance Z was saying, in his chat, that the Texans are also still high on Butler and Frye.



http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootba...b_18_chat.html

Good questions in there hoth when you got the chance.

Was that guy serious asking about a 1st and 3rd for Barber?!

[Errant Hothy]

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

Good questions in there hoth when you got the chance.

Was that guy serious asking about a 1st and 3rd for Barber?!

I think he was.

Thanks, the Bennet question was a throw away just to get it posted. There were several good questions posted.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Things can be split up as June 1st cuts (teams can pre-cut two players now and later declare them June 1st cuts) but barring that:

Flanigan--$1 mil in dead money, $1.5 mil in cap space created.
Putzier--$920k in dead money, about $500k in cap space created.

My guesstimate was apprx $2m + some on Shawn Barber. The cap space can keep going up IMO.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by badboy

My guesstimate was apprx $2m + some on Shawn Barber. The cap space can keep going up IMO.

Barber will have two years of prorated bonus at $700k per year vs. a 2008 cap hit if he had been retained of $1.85 mil.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Barber will have two years of prorated bonus at $700k per year vs. a 2008 cap hit if he had been retained of $1.85 mil.

Do you see in other "likely to go candidates" that would help the cap? I'm thinking Jordan Black and possibly Ahman Green at a later date. I heard on one of the radio stations that cutting Green would result in a cap savings of $1.5m. I know I am alone in this, but Lance Briggs and Trufant could be signed and still pay drafted guys. We have a lot of unsigned FA but I am not too excited about bring many back and Smith has worked wonders bringing in cheap but solid back ups. How does this sound?

Stewart at #18
Tony Hills LT in 3rd
Quentin Demps FS 4th
Josh Barrett SS Arizona State 6'2" 225 4.55

Trufant CB
Lance Briggs OLB

The only Texans FA I'm interested in is Breuner TE, Andre Davis WR, Will Demps and Turk. All have to be reasonably priced. I'd tender Anthony Maddox and CC Brown and hope someone signs and we get draft picks.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by badboy

Do you see in other "likely to go candidates" that would help the cap? I'm thinking Jordan Black and possibly Ahman Green at a later date.

Don't know about likely to go, but some players who are not certain to be retained and who would free up cap room include: Greenwood, Black, Faggins, Fletcher, and Zgonina.

I heard on one of the radio stations that cutting Green would result in a cap savings of $1.5m.

Just an FYI--the radio guys are generally horrible about the cap. In Green's case it depends on whether they would designate him as a June 1st cut.

Regular cut--$3.75 dead money--$1.3 mil in cap space freed up.
June 1st cut--$1.25 dead money 2008--$3.8 mil cap space freed up in 2008--$2.5 mil dead money in 2009.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Don't know about likely to go, but some players who are not certain to be retained and who would free up cap room include: Greenwood, Black, Faggins, Fletcher, and Zgonina.



Just an FYI--the radio guys are generally horrible about the cap. In Green's case it depends on whether they would designate him as a June 1st cut.

Regular cut--$3.75 dead money--$1.3 mil in cap space freed up.
June 1st cut--$1.25 dead money 2008--$3.8 mil cap space freed up in 2008--$2.5 mil dead money in 2009.

Wow! $3.8m is a pretty good player in FA. The deadline we have to meet cap is when? It would have to be prior to game 1 but I do not know date.

[buddyboy]

Originally Posted by badboy

Wow! $3.8m is a pretty good player in FA. The deadline we have to meet cap is when? It would have to be prior to game 1 but I do not know date.

I don't know, that 2.5 million dead cap next year would be a pain. I may be alone in this, but I'd like to see Green in a Texans uni this season. The cap room might be able to help us, but IMO it's not worth screwing us over next year. Plus, I think that Green can contribute, IF he stays healthy, and I know, that's a pretty big assumption since Green is always injured. I just see positives of keeping Green outweighes the positives of releasing him and losing all that cap space.

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by badboy

Stewart at #18
Tony Hills LT in 3rd
Quentin Demps FS 4th
Josh Barrett SS Arizona State 6'2" 225 4.55

Trufant CB
Lance Briggs OLB

The only Texans FA I'm interested in is Breuner TE, Andre Davis WR, Will Demps and Turk. All have to be reasonably priced. I'd tender Anthony Maddox and CC Brown and hope someone signs and we get draft picks.

I don't think we'd take a strong safety after taking a FS in the 4th and knowing we took a SS in the 5th or was it 6th round last year. Plus you've got a Brandon Mitchell from last year that got injured, Glenn Earl, etc. If we want to address SS we need to do it early, or we are just canceling out an old draft pick.

Demps would be a nice addition at FS. We've never drafted a free safety before. Check that, we drafted Jamaal Lord out of Nebraska as a FS prospect. Too bad he was a QB in college, and did not contribute. We've drafted our share of strong safeties: Ramon Walker, Glenn Earl, CC Brown and then this past year we drafted Brandon Harrison.

Glenn Earl in the fourth round is the highest selected safety of this franchise. CC Brown in the 6th round was the best value, and he was the most productive. I know that's painfully true on all three accounts.