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Old 02-17-2008   #1
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Let me start off by saying we will not be signing New England Patriots Cornerback Asante Samuel. Why?! I mean it would be nice but the Texans salary cap room is under like $23 million and we really don't have that much to spend with the dead money for players not even on the roster and offers to restricted FA's. Not only that, we still have to resign our key players.

Last year we spent over $6 million upfront to Ahman Green thinking that we would actually get one or maybe even two seasons out of him, hell I don't think we got even one full game. The point is look at what the 49ers did with Clements and Lewis making them highest paid DB's didn't even win more than 5 games. I just don't want spend more money than we have and be even more debt than we are next offseason. I know that Kubes and Company will make the right decisions as they have in the past just not another Green decision that hurt us. Mendenhall welcome.
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We have to go after the right type of players instead of going after guys and paying premium money for a guy like Anthony Weaver who is a total bust.
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I thought this thread sounded familiar. Almost like something I read in the Chronicle's Sports section this morning.
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i heard him say basically the same thing on the radio. we'll try and bring in a 2nd tier guy like Gay from NE as a DB FA. Samuel isn't coming here. He will probably have his choice of destination and it won't be Houston.

We need to get a guy like Gay in FA and draft best DB available at #18 or later with trade down. We can then go after a guy at Tackle with our 3rd Round pick or any pick gained from a trade down. We shouldn't have any problem getting one of the better 2nd tier CBs in FA because we can pretty much guarantee them a starting job and that they may be working opposite Dunta shortly after the season ends. That could be enticing as well.

Dream Scenario is as follows imho

1. 2nd Tier FA. Sign CB Randall Gay from the Patriots or Reynaldo Hill CB from the Titans.
2. 2nd Tier FA. Sign RB Julius Jones from the Cowboys and/or Travis Minor from St.Louis.
3. Kenny Phillips FS out of Miami chosen at #18.
4. Tony Hills OT out of Univ of Texas chosen with 3rd Round selection.
5. Cody Wallace C out of Texas A&M chosen with 4th Round selection.
6. Allan Patrick RB out of Oklahoma with 5th Round selection.
7. Jacob Hester FB/HB out of LSU with 6th Round selection.
8. Jordon Dizon OLB out of Colorado with 7th Round selection.

All those things could happen with just a little luck and we would have addressed almost every team deficiency and addressed them well and get maximum value out of every pick. This draft hurts because of the Schaub deal so to even come out with half these guys would be a coup imho. Plus it gives us 2 pieces to a possible starting OL.

It would give us a nice little stable of young OL to move forward with. Hills, Winston, Spencer, Wallace, Pitts even if Weary and/or Flanagan are not brought back. We could then get some ZBS depth through UDFA with some signings/training camp invitations at Guard even Tackle.
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Let me start off by saying we will not be signing New England Patriots Cornerback Asante Samuel. Why?! I mean it would be nice but the Texans salary cap room is under like $23 million and we really don't have that much to spend with the dead money for players not even on the roster and offers to restricted FA's. Not only that, we still have to resign our key players.

Last year we spent over $6 million upfront to Ahman Green thinking that we would actually get one or maybe even two seasons out of him, hell I don't think we got even one full game. The point is look at what the 49ers did with Clements and Lewis making them highest paid DB's didn't even win more than 5 games. I just don't want spend more money than we have and be even more debt than we are next offseason. I know that Kubes and Company will make the right decisions as they have in the past just not another Green decision that hurt us. Mendenhall welcome.
We got a full 2 games out of ahman green...the first two games.
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2. 2nd Tier FA. Sign RB Julius Jones from the Cowboys and/or Travis Minor from St.Louis.
6. Allan Patrick RB out of Oklahoma with 5th Round selection.
7. Jacob Hester FB/HB out of LSU with 6th Round selection.
I can't really see the FO drafting 2 rb's and picking up another through FA.

Theoretically that would leave us, injuries aside:

Ahman Green
Ron Dayne
Darius Walker
Chris Taylor
Julius Jones/Travis Minor
Allan Patrick
Jacob Hester

Did I forget anybody?

While I firmly believe that running back is a need, I'm not sure how backups in the running back department outweigh every other position.

I love the rest of the picks though.
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I can't really see the FO drafting 2 rb's and picking up another through FA.

Theoretically that would leave us, injuries aside:

Ahman Green
Ron Dayne
Darius Walker
Chris Taylor
Julius Jones/Travis Minor
Allan Patrick
Jacob Hester

Did I forget anybody?

While I firmly believe that running back is a need, I'm not sure how backups in the running back department outweigh every other position.

I love the rest of the picks though.

In my scenario, Green is not in the picture and lets not forget Dayne is an RFA i believe. Hester would be drafted as a FB/HB and goal line specialist (which we need badly) Taylor and Jameel Cook would not be in my plans.

so im talking
Julius Jones or Travis Minor
Darius Walker
Allan Patrick
Ron Dayne or perhaps Ahman Green if he renegotiates
Jacob Hester as FB/HB/Goal Line Package

That's only 4 RBs and 2 FBs
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In my scenario, Green is not in the picture and lets not forget Dayne is an RFA i believe. Hester would be drafted as a FB/HB and goal line specialist (which we need badly) Taylor and Jameel Cook would not be in my plans.

so im talking
Julius Jones or Travis Minor
Darius Walker
Allan Patrick
Ron Dayne or perhaps Ahman Green if he renegotiates
Jacob Hester as FB/HB/Goal Line Package

That's only 4 RBs and 2 FBs
I like what your saying but I don't think Allen Patrick is the type of back that houston would need I think if a guy like Ray Rice fall to the 3rd round he is perfect for our system and we could trade back into the 3rd round to get him.
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We need a LT, CB, FS, and a DE to bookend Mario.

yes, offense is bright and shiny and gets all the raves on SportsCenter (see N.E. and/or Reggie Bush).

But defense wins championships - see N.Y. Giants.

Build the defense.
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In my scenario, Green is not in the picture and lets not forget Dayne is an RFA i believe. Hester would be drafted as a FB/HB and goal line specialist (which we need badly) Taylor and Jameel Cook would not be in my plans.

so im talking
Julius Jones or Travis Minor
Darius Walker
Allan Patrick
Ron Dayne or perhaps Ahman Green if he renegotiates
Jacob Hester as FB/HB/Goal Line Package

That's only 4 RBs and 2 FBs
Dayne is just a FA not restricted. You are only restricted if you are still on your original team just finishing your first contract. Dayne hasnt been eligile for that for a long time. I think the main issue with your Hester selection is that he probably wont be there. I dont think Dizon will be either.
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I completely forgot about Jacob Hester he's like Wes Welker but faster and bigger.
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I completely forgot about Jacob Hester he's like Wes Welker but faster and bigger.
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Dayne is just a FA not restricted. You are only restricted if you are still on your original team just finishing your first contract. Dayne hasnt been eligile for that for a long time.
As you say, Dayne is not a RFA. You don't have to be with your original team however. RFA's are players who have accrued three seasons in the NFL and who are not under contract.
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As you say, Dayne is not a RFA. You don't have to be with your original team however. RFA's are players who have accrued three seasons in the NFL and who are not under contract.
Thanks for the correction.
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I like what your saying but I don't think Allen Patrick is the type of back that houston would need I think if a guy like Ray Rice fall to the 3rd round he is perfect for our system and we could trade back into the 3rd round to get him.
Disagree I think Patrick Allen is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do at RB. One cut and go type of RB. If he's around in the 4th i think it's a steal.Dantrell Savage is another guy who i think would be a productive back.


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Disagree I think Patrick Allen is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do at RB. One cut and go type of RB. If he's around in the 4th i think it's a steal.Dantrell Savage is another guy who i think would be a productive back.


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That video is misleading. He is running against Texas A&M's defense.

It makes him look better than he really is.
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That video is misleading. He is running against Texas A&M's defense.

It makes him look better than he really is.
Right on he doesn't look to good between the tackles.
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That video is misleading. He is running against Texas A&M's defense.

It makes him look better than he really is.
I'm definately not the biggest OU or A&M fan.

The kid has nice size listed at 6'1" and hovering around 200 and is a one cut back. Which is typically what you're looking for in a ZB RB. Though when i saw OU play this year....Guy that really amazed me was TE Gresham. Would be awesome to get a shot at TE like that next year.

Disagree again Pharoah on him between the tackles. I think he's good between the tackles with enough speed to bounce outside when need and large enough to break arm tackles.
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Guy that really amazed me was TE Gresham. Would be awesome to get a shot at TE like that next year.
Gresham is an athletic monster.

He is the version of Jermichael Finley that can actually block defenders.
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