Prisco's Latest Mock

[kastofsna]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10644150

18. Houston Texans - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon: Unless they get a runner in free agency, say maybe Michael Turner, Stewart would make a lot of sense. He's a tough guy who will be a factor in the passing game as well.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Huh, with Oakland having their pick between Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis, and Darren McFadden- I think they'd end up with one of the DT's. Of course I havn't been wrong about Oaklands 1st round pick since....2007

I also would find it hard to believe Felix Jones would get selected before both Rashard Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart (and at #16)

[Grams]

I am not sure why all the media thinks the Texans will draft a RB in the first round.

Using the Bronco's running/blocking scheme, that can supposedly plug any decent RB in, I don't think the Texans will draft and RB till at least the 3/4 round.

The media continues to plug in who they think we should take, instead of doing a little homework and look at past drafts as to who we will probable take.

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by Grams

Using the Bronco's running/blocking scheme, that can supposedly plug any decent RB in, I don't think the Texans will draft and RB till at least the 3/4 round.

The only problem I see with it is that our OL isn't developed enough to consistently plug in decent 2nd day and Undrafted RB's for them to be successful.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Ole Miss Texan

Huh, with Oakland having their pick between Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis, and Darren McFadden- I think they'd end up with one of the DT's. Of course I havn't been wrong about Oaklands 1st round pick since....2007

I also would find it hard to believe Felix Jones would get selected before both Rashard Mendenhall and Jonathan Stewart (and at #16)

Well I read somewhere that Micheal Bush has had a second operation on the leg. Might be in the same poistion as the Texans are. Lot of Mockers are forcing McFaddin to Oakland. And Ryan to Miami and Atlanta.

Agree with you on Jones. 200 pounds is two hundred pounds. Sooner or later he will have to bang it between the tackles and pick up blitzes.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by Grams

I am not sure why all the media thinks the Texans will draft a RB in the first round.

Using the Bronco's running/blocking scheme, that can supposedly plug any decent RB in, I don't think the Texans will draft and RB till at least the 3/4 round.

The media continues to plug in who they think we should take, instead of doing a little homework and look at past drafts as to who we will probable take.

They will broadcast who they think the Texans should pick, and then crucify them when they don't pick an RB.

[SF49erFaithful]

I'm not a fan of taking RBs early, honestly. It's always such a deep position where good ones can be had in the middle rounds.

[kastofsna]

as with any other position.

[Hervoyel]

If the Texans take a RB in the first round I'm good with that. I don't care as long as the guy they select is worthy of going in that round at that general area.

The Texans need a lot of things but they aren't just literally dying anywhere. Sure LT is a need. Sure CB is a need. Sure another LB to go alongside DeMeco is a need. We have lots of needs but we have answers at all of those spots (albeit very average answers) if we choose to go another way early.

We can't plug all the holes in a single draft so as long as they fill one hole with a very good player in the first then I'm not going to worry about who they didn't pick. If they can get another starter in the 3rd I'm thrilled. Add one more on the second day and I believe this will have been one hell of a draft.

[SF49erFaithful]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

as with any other position.

not really. RBs and interior linemen are always a dime a dozen.

[Hooston Texan]

Originally Posted by Grams

I am not sure why all the media thinks the Texans will draft a RB in the first round.

Using the Bronco's running/blocking scheme, that can supposedly plug any decent RB in, I don't think the Texans will draft and RB till at least the 3/4 round.

The media continues to plug in who they think we should take, instead of doing a little homework and look at past drafts as to who we will probable take.

Well, if the draft plays out like this mock and the top 4 OTs and the top 3 CBs are off the board by the 18th pick, but Mendenhall/Stewart are still around, I would have no problem with taking either of them here (though I think Mendenhall is the superior player). And I'm normally a big believer in the fungibility of RBs. Phillips--who isn't even taken in this mock--is about the only other player I'd consider if picks 1-17 went as Prisco predicts.

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by Hooston Texan

Well, if the draft plays out like this mock and the top 4 OTs and the top 3 CBs are off the board by the 18th pick, but Mendenhall/Stewart are still around, I would have no problem with taking either of them here (though I think Mendenhall is the superior player). And I'm normally a big believer in the fungibility of RBs. Phillips--who isn't even taken in this mock--is about the only other player I'd consider if picks 1-17 went as Prisco predicts.

Or....you leverage the fact the Rb 2 & 3 are still on the board and you aquire additional picks. And you bang the holes with value picks.

[nunusguy]

I'm totally against using our top pick on a running back. Backs are a commodity like a barrel of oil or a bushel of wheat or so many "board feet"
of lumber. Cover corners or OTs with the agility to handle pass rushers one
on one or DEs who can put pressure on the QB are rare talents that teams
should pay premium prices for.

[bigbrewster2000]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

I'm totally against using our top pick on a running back. Backs are a commodity like a barrel of oil or a bushel of wheat or so many "board feet"
of lumber. Cover corners or OTs with the agility to handle pass rushers one
on one or DEs who can put pressure on the QB are rare talents that teams
should pay premium prices for.

So you are absolutely against a RB in the 1st even if that is where the value is at our pick? I dont know if I would take the 5th or 6th tackle or 4th CB over the 2nd RB. Would you and why? I want us to get the best player that we can get at 18. I really dont care who it is or what position they play.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by bigbrewster2000

So you are absolutely against a RB in the 1st even if that is where the value is at our pick? I dont know if I would take the 5th or 6th tackle or 4th CB over the 2nd RB. Would you and why? I want us to get the best player that we can get at 18. I really dont care who it is or what position they play.

Actually I would because I just think capable running backs are so much easier to find in later rounds than other positions and there is such a higher risk of injury to backs than to players at other positions which make for more
playing time missed and shorter careers.
Now I know there's exceptions to what I'm saying, like we found a pretty decent CB in the 4th round of last years Draft. But generally speaking I think
its valid.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Actually I would because I just think capable running backs are so much easier to find in later rounds than other positions and there is such a higher risk of injury to backs than to players at other positions which make for more
playing time missed and shorter careers.
Now I know there's exceptions to what I'm saying, like we found a pretty decent CB in the 4th round of last years Draft. But generally speaking I think
its valid.

Absolutely valid. However do you pass on a Franchise RB?

[badboy]

Originally Posted by mussop

Absolutely valid. However do you pass on a Franchise RB?

There is no "franchise" LT or CB at #18. Stewart imo opinion is a "franchise"type back. Mendenhall may be very, good. If Stewart is there, it would take a very good offer for me to want a trade down. If Stewart is gone and Atlanta will trade the twos for our 18, I'd do that. With the 3rd and 8th pick in 2nd many different scenarios are possible.

2nd round- 3rd pick: Talib CB
8th : Xavier Adibi OLB
3rd round : Matt Forte RB
4th round : Tony Hill LT
5th round : Darnell Terell plays CB & FS

[threetoedpete]

Originally Posted by badboy

There is no "franchise" LT or CB at #18.

And that Is
the point grass hopper.
There is never going to be one at eighteen. Or twelve or
fifteen. No one lets them go via free agencey. And when they do they cost you a one and a three. So where pray tell badboy is he going to come from ? Or are you projecting Salaam starting for the team into his forties ? Inquiring minds would like to know.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

And that Is
the point grass hopper.
There is never going to be one at eighteen. Or twelve or
fifteen.

Sure there are, they just may not be there this year and they may not be ready to start game 1--or maybe they will. Only three play-off teams had 1st round LT's this year. 8 were 2nd rounders. Manning sure looked pretty happy with Ugoh this year.

[Specnatz]

Originally Posted by badboy

There is no "franchise" LT or CB at #18.

What is your definition of a franchise LT or CB? Joseph Addi sure looks like the Colts franchise RB and Aaron Ross for the Giants sure looks like a nice CB for the Giants franchise which would make him their franchise CB.

Like Infantry pointed out, no one thought Ugoh was a franchise LT before the start of last season and he seems to be filling those shoes pertty nicely. So please enlighten us about this elussive franchise player that is not available as you say. Just because you want a RB drafted you show a biassed opinion on what is or what is not available.