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Old 12-04-2004   #21
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Round 1

- Ahamd Brooks, ILB (does anyone know if he's a gangster - Texans draft character);
- trade the pick for an additional first day 2005 pick, plus a 1st round 2006; or
- Marcus Spears, D-line; or
- Carlos Rogers, CB.
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Has anyone thought about Miami running back Frank Gore. I know he's had two big injuries, but I think he can be a solid pick up for us. Like a goal line back or something. What do yall think?
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Has anyone thought about Miami running back Frank Gore. I know he's had two big injuries, but I think he can be a solid pick up for us. Like a goal line back or something. What do yall think?
Honestly, i think the Texans have two RBs already where you are worried about injuries, no need for a third.
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Has anyone thought about Miami running back Frank Gore. I know he's had two big injuries, but I think he can be a solid pick up for us. Like a goal line back or something. What do yall think?
If he's been injured, the Texans will try to draft him.
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David carr has probowl written all over him and if you don't believe it just listen to all the espn anouncers. Oh and people have only had great things to say about our organization
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What hetero doxy is saying I think contains some truth. It's said in a very confrontational manner (bad hetero doxy! bad!) and I don't agree with him about all of it but there's some truth in there. I believe the Texans have the QB position in hand but they need a TE badly. They need a real, 100% two-way TE who can block and catch instead of the either-or guys they have now. I don't agree that the entire OL needs to be replaced but McKinney is a joke of a starting center. Two years ago when we had nobody McKinney was the best guy on the line. Now he's clearly the weakest link. We also need to add another DE who can push Walker. Yes, I'm glad we signed Gary Walker but no, that doesn't mean he can play like he has this season and draw that fat check. Someone behind him needs to be pushing him for playing time and, if he can't produce like he did in 2002 then they need to take his job away from him. I don't think we have a single defensive backup who could legitimately push the starter for his job right now and that's a problem. SS I think will be covered by Earl in the future so I disagree with hetero on that one.

And he's right about one other thing. Cleveland has ensured that no expansion team will ever again do the worst job ever of building itself. It's like they're in a league of their own.
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really? so you think steve mckinney is an nfl-caliber center, for instance?

the texans need bona fide NFL players at QB, TE, all of the OL, DE, and SS. they currently are playing very bad players there. if it wasn't for cleveland it would be safe to say the texans have done the worst job of building an expansion team in the history of the NFL.

trade the pick down and draft 2 OLs is my suggestion. i trust them to scout who they are.
Well apparently he is since hes the starter, and hes keeping Todd Washington behind him. Name a center coming out that is a first round talent? TE, they arent going to give up on Joppru. He will give us that double threat and be a starter for along time. DE, with the ones we use (Defensive Tackles), there is an article you may be interested in reading about how hard it is to judge talent there. You could get a future hall of famer in the 5th round, you never know. So I stand by my point that especially in this draft there is not clear cut DE/DT we should go after in the first round. SS, like I said right now there is a rookie who needs playing time and will be fine, not great but fine so I think that continues my point on no GLARING, key point there, needs, just a team that needs to grow up and UPGRADE at some positions. If you want an example of a position that has a glaring need, look at our FS position of two years ago. There isnt a single position on the field right now that is playing that bad. McKinney gets beat but not all of the time. I have seen him make some great blocks along with the beatings he takes.
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there is something wrong when our overall defense is 29th in the league. (13th against run and 29th against the pass) as of yesterday.
and should be 16 sacks on the season... that just isn't getting it done.

1st round .. LB or CB/safety
2nd round TE (if Joppru isn't going to be ready) or DL If a RB slips RB
3rd round(2 picks there) DL or CB or OL

4th round-7th.. DL/Cb/wr
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1st Round - Ahmad Brooks ILB
2nd Round - Gabe Watson NT
3rd Round - Kevin Everett TE
3rd Round - Eric Shelton/Frank Gore RB
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The texans dont really have a glaring need, but we do have a few considerable needs. there are not any centers worth drafting and i think the texans will try to find one in free agency then waste a pick. with the recent injury and lackluster performence of jay foreman, a possible trade up would be an option to nab d johnson...yes i know they are fairly high on polk, but johnson is already better. if we cant get johnson, please people look at our team, marcus colman is not a FS!! Glen Earl is going to be the league average, nothing more. colman cant come up on a play because he will get burned, and his sure fire ability to tackle hasnt come through yet. the crop of safties is a little weak this year, but dont leave him at safty. address the line in FA, get center, and a de/dt. look at the safty out of georgia, anyone else think its a possibility or good idea to draft him.
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1. try for johnson, if unsuccesful draft safty
2. if unsuccesful above, draft lb, or d linemen
3. DE
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4. fastest wr left, simply decoy for johnson, eventual replacement for bradford
5. rb insurance pollicy
6. D linemen
7. injured qb for practice squad
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1st Round - Ahmad Brooks ILB
2nd Round - Gabe Watson NT
3rd Round - Kevin Everett TE
3rd Round - Eric Shelton/Frank Gore RB
Do you really think Everett would drop that far? Don't get me wrong if he is around by the 3rd Round I'd love to have him, but I was under the impression that he could be the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th TE off the board.
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there are a lot of choices for the first round but if things stay the way they are now...i hope we draft carlos rogers in the second...he reminds me so much of dunta it's not even funny...same cocky attitude...would be a great replacement for glenn when he retires
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there are a lot of choices for the first round but if things stay the way they are now...i hope we draft carlos rogers in the second...he reminds me so much of dunta it's not even funny...same cocky attitude...would be a great replacement for glenn when he retires

not a bad choice at all & he should be available given the Texans have now fallen to the 13th pick which translates nicely into the 45th overall selection.

two more prospects I really am intriqued with that fill a couple HUGE needs would be Ben Wilkerson the big LSU center & Miami TE Kevin Everett. Of the three players mentioned if available I would rank Everett 1st, Wilkerson 2nd & Rogers 3rd.

this is where it gets trick'ey, one- what is the Texans current/future biggest need?
two- which player has the most upside in the NFL or Pro Bowl material?
three- finally which one fits the Texans team chemestry best?

To answear one really depends upon Joppru recovering from injury, will he or won't he, seems like a huge gamble. I'll take insurance & Everett here. Wilkerson will be coming off ACL surgery & Glenn hopefully has a couple years left in the tank.

Two is just as difficult Everett has the potential to develop into a Pro-Bowl tight end, he has the size, speed, frame & work ethic to become a Alge Crumpler type of NFL TE. Wilkerson also has the potential to be a Pro-Bowl NFL Center & anchor on the line. Rogers with Glenn as tutor & Dunta as running mate that seems to spell success & maybe Pro-Bowl material as well.
Slight advantage Everett

Three, while both Wilkerson & Rogers are well coached from outstanding football programs (LSU & Auburn) how can anyone dispute Miami for producing outstanding NFL talent. Advantage once again Everett, not to mention a Hurricane duo of AJ & KE would be lethal.

I realize we are months away from the NFL draft, its early but I like Kevin Everett to get that 2nd round nod & become a Texan
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you talk about everett who is an outstanding tightend but i'm puzzled as to why ya'll seem to think TE is one of our more pressing needs...carr simply hasn't thrown to miller even when he's open and bruener is one of the best blocking TE's in the game...matt murphy is a previous 2nd rounder as well and then you have joppru who is yet to actually play a game for us...to me our draft should look more like this

1st. ahmad brooks or marcus spears
2nd. carlos rogers or gabe watson
3rd. welsey britt or marion barber III
3rd. donovan raiola or courtney robey
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...matt murphy is a previous 2nd rounder as well...
Murphy was a 7th round pick by the Lions in 2002.
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Picking D-Rob with our top pick in this years draft was not a surprise, but
making the move for Babin like they did was. Many felt that Vince Wilfork
(the Miami U. NT) would have been a more likely target in a move up to the
first round (instead of Babin). So I'm thinking Cass is gonna Wheel & Deal and
surprise us again this year with his first round pick.
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well as of late my confidence in casserly's abilities as a good gm has done nothing but grown...still my wish list is ahmad brooks in the first and carlos rogers in the 2nd...after that he could pick nothing but QB's and i'd still be happy..hahaha
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The way we are playing, we have a legit shot at getting low enough to get Ahmad in the 1st round.
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We have to find out if he is even coming out, he is three years removed from high school but is only a sophmore at Virginia. Its going to be hard to do these threads until we figure out who is coming out.
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for anyone who is wondering why i've been pushing for carlos rogers here recently let me give you this to read:

6'0'' 191lb 4.37

one of five finialists for the Bronko Nagurski award to the top defensive player

only 2ints this season but the ball was only thrown his was 59 times and only 16 completions

has played since 2001 for auburn

2001: 58 tackles 12 passes defensed
2002: 48 tackles 2tfl 9 passes defensed 4 ints
2003: 29 tackles 1tfl 9 passes defensed 1int

known to have a pitt bull mentality

this is from nfldraftscout.com just in case anyone is wondering...the kid is one heck of corner...probably the only better cover corner in the country is marlin jackson...both are not getting the recognition they deserve because so much attention has been drawn to antrel rolle and justin miller for obvious reasons
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