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Old 11-29-2004   #1
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Guy calls into 610 this morning and alleges to guest John McClain that Casserly is telling Capers to play Babin instead of Peek. McClain says Cass can't tell Dom anything about playing or not playing certain players. Please!!
What a pile of cra?. Lets review the Texans Org: Bob McNair is literaly the
Chairman of the Board and his defacto CEO (Chief Ex Officer) and COO (Chief Op Off) are Casserly and Capers respectively. Cass reports to McNair and Capers reports to Cass. Does anybody really think that McNair came from a humble S.Carolina background and accumulated Billions dealing with the likes of Enron by passively sitting around watching his enterprises run by operaters without ever intervening, either directly or indirectly (thru subordinates- Cass). Especially when it comes to 1st round draft picks, you can bet the ole man and his CEO have something to say about who does and doesn't play. Maybe not on a day to day basis, but they have input heard from time to time on such matters.
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i would say it is not far fetched as you think. Some owner understand that they don't understand the in and out of the business and leave daily operational decisions to those closer. what happens in these situation is that the McNair tells his CEO and COO that they are responsible for results and that they will be judged by the bottomline (or wins and losses),

In short, not all owners are Jerry Jones or Al Davis. they trust the people they hire and if the results are not there they are fired.
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now if he was talking about dallas and jones haha thatd be funny, he is always in the teams buisness and parcells didnt like it at all at first, but as far as our owner goes i think he hired guys who'd know whats best for the football team and he lets them do their job !
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I am completely paraphrasing but I believe somebody called into 610 some weeks ago and asked Casserly if he had dealings with who plays or doesn't.

He said he discusses it with Coach Capers but he did not tell him what to do regarding plays, which players plays or sits, etc.

His concerns are the draft, player contracts and the inner workings of the team not the on-field decisions.

As for Jerry Jones, he said from day 1 he was going to be involved in both on the field and off the field decisions of the Cowboys. It has worked some years and some not. I don't personally feel he's very good at most football decisions but he certainly has great marketing skills. I suspect when he dies IF the team stays in the hands of the Jones family and his son Stephen takes over it will be a much more behind the scenes type ownership than Jerry.

That's a big IF. I remember when the owner of the Redskins died his family had to sell to Mr. Snyder because of the complexity of the taxes and the millions involved to keep the team.

But back to the point. I think that from what I heard Mr. Casserly say he stays out of the field decisions regarding playing and such.
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now if he was talking about dallas and jones haha thatd be funny, he is always in the teams buisness and parcells didnt like it at all at first, but as far as our owner goes i think he hired guys who'd know whats best for the football team and he lets them do their job !
"Maybe not on a day to day basis, but they have input heard from time to time on such matters."
That sentence is from my origional post as I anticipated some people bringing
up the name of the Cowboys' owner into this conversation. So I do know Jones is very "hands on" with constant intervention, unlike McNair. But I would be very surprised if McNair/Casserly didn't intervene "from time to time".
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... Casserly is telling Capers to play Babin instead of Peek...
I agree with posters who think McNair is smart enough to know he shouldn't interfer with football matters. McNair believes in hiring good people (Capers and Casserly) and then staying out of their way so they can do their jobs.

Further:

1) the implications of Casserly telling Capers who to play is that Capers wasn't behind drafting both Peek and Babin. I suspect that Capers and Fangio had a lot of input into the evaluation of both players, because of their long time proven success in this area (the 3-4). I suspect that Capers wants both Peek and Babin to succeed just as much as Casserly;

2) Babins led the team in tackles (along with Robinson) according to the Texans numbers on Channel 13 last night. Peek made some great plays late in the game, with fresh legs. Why change anything?
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McNair stays out of the day to day football decisions on the field. I think that is very clear to most of our fans. I believe that Casserly gets out of Dom's way and let's him coach the team too.
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i think mcnair is sharp enough to stay out of the decision making for the most part----------however, as an enthusiastic fan i cant see mcnair not making the occasional comment or suggestion. as for casserly, i think hes more involved then he lets on in some onfield decisions.

in contrast would anyone here be willing to think capers plays some minor role in the contract process?

its not hard for me to invision a conversation between the two come contract time....

dc : charlie this guys a great leader for the team and works his tail off...you think you could add a few zeros to that?

cc: HEY! uhhhhhhh well? uhhhhhhhhhh HEY! uhhhhhh we'll see what we can do.
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as for casserly, i think hes more involved then he lets on in some onfield decisions.
Thank you POWDA. I think that expresses my thought about this topic better than I did. No, I don't think for a moment Cass is actively involved in details of
daily operations, but I think he is involved periodically behind the scenes on
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Well I think Casserly wouldn't interfere because I believe it was Casserly's idea to hire Capers in the first place because of his expansion experience. I also believe it was Capers that wanted Babin real bad because he reminded him of Kevin Greene. I would think that Capers asked for Babin and Casserly did the footwork to get him.
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Casserly and McNair have both stated that they understand (and like) their roles on the team.

Neither are football coaches, and they have both publicly stated that Capers is the man with regards to Sundays.

Why is this so hard to comprehend? Or accept?

Do you also find it hard to accept that Capers calls no plays on offense?

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Thank you POWDA. I think that expresses my thought about this topic better than I did. No, I don't think for a moment Cass is actively involved in details of
daily operations, but I think he is involved periodically behind the scenes on
important personnel decisions.
This is very different in my mind than Casserly telling Capers to start Babin over Peek. Casserly discussing what he or the scouting staff thinks or obsreves in a player on the roster is no different than Capers telling Casserly that there something about a certain player that he likes does not like during the draft. If you are implying that the Texans communicate with each other in regards to player evaluations, which may include playing time, then that is different than Casserly saying, "Babin starts because we traded up in the first round to get hime"
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To further this thought, McClain also said that he didn't understand why Peek wasn't playing. He made a mention about Wand getting the starting LT spot going through a "trial by fire" so to speak for a team whom really has no plans to make any noise this year anyway. So his thinking was Peek should have gone through the same thing. I agree with that. What do you guys think?
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What a pile of cra?. Lets review the Texans Org: Bob McNair is literaly the Chairman of the Board and his defacto CEO (Chief Ex Officer) and COO (Chief Op Off) are Casserly and Capers respectively
McNair is Founder, Chairman and CEO. Casserly is Senoir VP and General Manager of Football Operations. Capers is Head Coach.

Let me just say that I have some insider info on this one. Here's the way the Texans operate:

Casserly talks with Capers about personnel all the time. They have a terrific working relationship. But Casserly doesn't tell Capers who to play. Capers and his assistants decide who's going to play. Babin is playing because Capers and Fangio want him to play. Peek isn't playing because Capers and Fangio don't want him to play more than he is.

McNair pays attention to what goes on and often visits with Casserly and Capers, but he doesn't order them to play anyone.

For anyone to believe that Babin is playing because Casserly ordered it because he's a No. 1 pick is ridiculous. That's not the way Casserly and Capers operate.

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Casserly talks with Capers about personnel all the time. They have a terrific working relationship. But Casserly doesn't tell Capers who to play.
OK AJ, we are in agreement on them actively communicating with each other about personnel - how could they not ? That's what they are paid to do collectively - evaluate and draft/sign college players & FAs. And of course they have individual roles - like Capers running the team on the field Sundays.
Re. the 610 caller - I don't agree with him because I think that Cass & Dom are in sync 'bout Babin - they have their collective butt on the line for him. I was objecting to McClain saying, in a general way, that Cass doesn't exert any influence on Dom 'bout who to play. Cass hired & ultimaely could fire
him (or atleast reccomend that McNair do so - not for a moment saying that is the current situation). You know Cass has preferences for who he'd like to see play and let's it be know, maybe only in a very suttle way. And with the kind of leverage Cass has, Capers pays attention when Cass is talking.
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All I can do is repeat what was told to me by someone with a hellava lot more insight into the situation than you or me or anyone else on this board.

Casserly doesn't tell Capers who to play.

Believe what you want and don't take this personal as it's not meant to be -- but I think you're making assumptions and inferences that are baseless and inaccurate.

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To further this thought, McClain also said that he didn't understand why Peek wasn't playing. He made a mention about Wand getting the starting LT spot going through a "trial by fire" so to speak for a team whom really has no plans to make any noise this year anyway. So his thinking was Peek should have gone through the same thing. I agree with that. What do you guys think?
Where were you last year when he got lit up and picked on like Matt Stevens? Who do you sit down? Wong? No, Wong has more of an all-round game. Babin? Peek doesn't hold up to the run nearly as well as Babin. I do agree that we need to see him as our primary pass-rusher in passing situations though.
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Believe what you want and don't take this personal as it's not meant to be -- but I think you're making assumptions and inferences that are baseless and inaccurate.
No problem - appreciate your response.
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To further this thought, McClain also said that he didn't understand why Peek wasn't playing. He made a mention about Wand getting the starting LT spot going through a "trial by fire" so to speak for a team whom really has no plans to make any noise this year anyway. So his thinking was Peek should have gone through the same thing. I agree with that. What do you guys think?
I agree with Vinny. Babin holds the run much better. In last game Babin was rushing the QB alot but somehow managed to make it back to stop the run alot. I kept noticing him around the football more. Peek is awesome and hopefully he will continue to blossom as a mamoth pass rusher. Let's not give up our secret so soon though. Save him for when we are making our playoff run and stuff.

As for comparing Wand and Peek's starting situation, you can't really compare them. The lack of depth on that side is why Wand is starting. Wong can play both sides and Babin is holding things down on the other.
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