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Old 02-05-2008   #21
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I think the level of players you have listed are above what we will pay in free agency. I would look for us to add a corner like Drayton Florence, William James, or Randall Gay. We are supposed to be looking for bigger corners and these guys are all 5'11"-6'0" and very affordable. Also, at DE - with Weaver still onboard - I would look more at a Bobby McCray type addition than Justin Smith.

Rick Smith has said that he wants to build through the draft and supplement in free agency. Given that Ahman Green is the only big name addition we have seen in free agency, and the result of that, I would look for a whole lot of prudence in the offseason.
I have to disagree with you dispite what Smith stated because they have no choice but to spend money in Free Agency because they have to many holes to fill and it can't all come through the draft. I think they will go after a guy like Marcus Trufant or Nnamdi Asomugha becasue they have to go into the season knowing they have a corner that can take away the opponents top targets.

The injury to Daunta Robinson is a tough injury so they have to move foward thinking he won't be 100% but we have to sign a potential top or above average cover guy and get better safties in free agency as well and there will be some good players that will come at an affordable prices. I think if we cut guys who are over paid Like Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green who stole money this year in training camp that will free up more cap space to sign player who can come and be productive and get the rest through the draft.

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Asomugha, Nnamdi UFA Raiders - Top money
Florence, Drayton UFA Chargers - Mid Level money
Trufant, Marcus UFA Seahawks - Top to mid level money
Kelly, Brian UFA Buccaneers - May come cheap since he is 30 or 31 years old.
Gay, Randall UFA Patriots - Cheap Price
Fisher, Travis UFA Lions

Safety: All of these guys are very affordable instead binging back Boulware and Demps.

Wilson, Eugene UFA Patriots
Wilson, Gibril UFA Giants
Williams, Madieu UFA Bengals
Doss, Mike UFA Vikings
Coleman, Erik UFA Jets
Williams, Tank UFA Vikings


DE: Cut Anthony Weaver

Odom, Antwan UFA Titans
Thomas, Josh UFA Colts
McCracy, Bobby UFA Jaguars
McDougle, Jerome UFA Eagles
Brayton, Tyler UFA Raiders
Rucker, Mike UFA Panthers
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I agree and Kubes has to get Dreesen on field to bring more TDs.
I concur! There is no way we need to even glance at another TE. OD, Dreesen, and Bruener or Putzier is all we need. We can draft one in the 6th if we must for depth purposes. Focus salary cap matters on bigger needs. That's what good front offices do, and we are building one great FO. Have some faith!

Green is NOT the last big free agent we bring in. I fully expect one Big name talent, or three "second tier" talents that will fill holes.

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I have to disagree with you dispite what Smith stated because they have no choice but to spend money in Free Agency because they have to many holes to fill and it can't all come through the draft. I think they will go after a guy like Marcus Trufant or Nnamdi Asomugha becasue they have to go into the season knowing they have a corner that can take away the opponents top targets.

The injury to Daunta Robinson is a tough injury so they have to move foward thinking he won't be 100% but we have to sign a potential top or above average cover guy and get better safties in free agency as well and there will be some good players that will come at an affordable prices. I think if we cut guys who are over paid Like Anthony Weaver and Ahman Green who stole money this year in training camp that will free up more cap space to sign player who can come and be productive and get the rest through the draft.

Corner:

Asomugha, Nnamdi UFA Raiders - Top money
Florence, Drayton UFA Chargers - Mid Level money
Trufant, Marcus UFA Seahawks - Top to mid level money
Kelly, Brian UFA Buccaneers - May come cheap since he is 30 or 31 years old.
Gay, Randall UFA Patriots - Cheap Price
Fisher, Travis UFA Lions

Safety: All of these guys are very affordable instead binging back Boulware and Demps.

Wilson, Eugene UFA Patriots
Wilson, Gibril UFA Giants
Williams, Madieu UFA Bengals
Doss, Mike UFA Vikings
Coleman, Erik UFA Jets
Williams, Tank UFA Vikings


DE: Cut Anthony Weaver

Odom, Antwan UFA Titans
Thomas, Josh UFA Colts
McCracy, Bobby UFA Jaguars
McDougle, Jerome UFA Eagles
Brayton, Tyler UFA Raiders
Rucker, Mike UFA Panthers

I agree. With the type of 'D' we play, we can't go INTO the season without two talented corners. D-Rob won't be back in 2008, I am almost sure of it. We need a big name opposite Bennett, and resign Demps. Then we can concentrate on getting an OLB and Jeff Faine!! Then draft a 1st round LT which I'm sure Gibbs is pushing for, and we are one Bad@ss team!
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About LJ Smith...........they are reporting that the Eagles will Franchise him this year.


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I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.
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I'm all for Asomugha. He had an incredible number of interceptions in 2006. (Was rarely thrown against last season.) Bringing him in will increase the Texans turn-overs, which the Texans have said is one of their biggest priorities during the offseason. Bennett looked good, and I think he will hold his own, at least until Dunta returns. (JMO, Dunta will return.) This is a huge upgrade to the backfield, and the sort of move that could take the Texans from a mediocre team to a play-off team.
I hope that Daunta makes it back but we have to move foward like he won't be ready for the start of the season and if he make it back then that is a plus for us. I think we need not to pressure so fast and give him time to get back naturally so there won't be any setbacks.
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I hope that Daunta makes it back but we have to move foward like he won't be ready for the start of the season and if he make it back then that is a plus for us. I think we need not to pressure so fast and give him time to get back naturally so there won't be any setbacks.
I agree with you. One of the problems the Texans have faced over Kubiak's term is a dependence on recovering players. The Texans can't win that way. So they need to look for a new number one cornerback.

That being said, everything I have read from and about Dunta has me convinced he will be back and playing, probably quicker than any of us expect. I don't think he would accept anything less than that from himself.
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I agree with you. One of the problems the Texans have faced over Kubiak's term is a dependence on recovering players. The Texans can't win that way. So they need to look for a new number one cornerback.

That being said, everything I have read from and about Dunta has me convinced he will be back and playing, probably quicker than any of us expect. I don't think he would accept anything less than that from himself.
I feel confident Dunta will be back and playing in the NFL, hopefully for our team. However, I don't think he's going to be the old Dunta that we all liked. We really need a starting cB in FA or the Draft and when Dunta returns I think he'd be a heck of a nickle for us. finally we'd be strong at CB that would only be a good thing playing against Peyton + by then our DL should be consistently putting pressure on the QB and we'd look like the Giants.
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What extent was the injury to Dunta? I thought it was a break?
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I concur! There is no way we need to even glance at another TE. OD, Dreesen, and Bruener or Putzier is all we need. We can draft one in the 6th if we must for depth purposes. Focus salary cap matters on bigger needs. That's what good front offices do, and we are building one great FO. Have some faith!

Green is NOT the last big free agent we bring in. I fully expect one Big name talent, or three "second tier" talents that will fill holes.

The current TEs are under contract and to cut any will still cost against cap and I do not see team cutting any. I am not sure on Dreesen's contract but do not see him geting cut. TE is a strength not a weakness. I also expect a significant hole to be addressed in FA.
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What extent was the injury to Dunta? I thought it was a break?
He tore his ACL and LCL and ripped the hamstring off the bone.
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The current TEs are under contract and to cut any will still cost against cap and I do not see team cutting any. I am not sure on Dreesen's contract but do not see him geting cut. TE is a strength not a weakness. I also expect a significant hole to be addressed in FA.
any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO
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I feel confident Dunta will be back and playing in the NFL, hopefully for our team. However, I don't think he's going to be the old Dunta that we all liked. We really need a starting cB in FA or the Draft and when Dunta returns I think he'd be a heck of a nickle for us. finally we'd be strong at CB that would only be a good thing playing against Peyton + by then our DL should be consistently putting pressure on the QB and we'd look like the Giants.
Rick Smith himself said that Dunta wouldn't be back until AT LEAST the second half of the season. Dunta may say it will be sooner, but I'm sure our GM knows what he's talking about. If anything they usually tell us it will be sooner (see: Charles Spencer and AJ). I'll try and find a link. I know he's a fighter, but as someone just said...he'll be a Nickle at best next season. I TRULY hope I'm wrong.
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He tore his ACL and LCL and ripped the hamstring off the bone.
Oh wow. Was I ever wrong.

I'd love for us to nab Asomaugh away from the Raiders. Looking at their roster bad as we got hit with injuries I'm looking at lot of IRs there.

A lot of people have mentioned Fargas...IR. Looks like Seth Wand landed on the squad as well. Donovan Darius was also released.

Looks like landing another top flight corner becomes imperative now. CB is easier to address in FA.
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any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO
i seem to recall the coaches saying that cook is one of our best ST players.. jeb has contributed much though.. we can get TEs cheap as UDFA's anyway who can contribute so im not too bothered about it
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any Texans fan whos been aware of the Texans needs & shortcomings knows that TE is & has never been one of its strengths. thats just not accurate. Owen Daniels, a 4th rd. draft pick has been a breath of fresh air, until him Billy Miller anyone? mark Brunner basicly extra LT thats good for a couple catches a season. now Jeb Purtzier from Kubiacks Denver days along with FB Jameel Cook have done exactly what? filled roster spots & salary cap space something we both need & can eliminate. something you can address in FA, IMO
Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.
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For the love of god no LJ Smith please! that cat cant catch passes and I would rather have the TE's we have now
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Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.
The ONLY thing I can see wrong with our TE corps is that Bruener is getting pretty old and Owen Daniels showed a real lack of blocking talent in pass protection and run blocking. I could see if they got a huge TE like Cottram in the 6th or 7th round to take Bruener's role but other than that, I don't see them taking a TE too much earlier than that because we lack our 2nd rounder.
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Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I agree with what you are saying, but you can never have too many capable tight ends. Tight ends take a beating. Shockey found that out this year. Even Owen was bleeding from the face this year. It would never be out of the question for us to look for more weapons for the position.

Putzier should be the #2 tight end next year, unless we add another player to challenge him. I think Bruener's days are over as a Texan and probably in the NFL. If we were to add a tight end I think we do it in the later rounds of the draft. Any significant FA is going to be more money than we want to spend on a TE.

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Default Re: 08 Free Agent Market

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Originally Posted by badboy View Post
Completely disagree with you assessment. Putzier was signed to be the go to guy at TE under the Denver offensive scheme that Kubes used. Owen Daniel beat him out. The fact that Kubes was a big fan of Kevin Walter imo increased passes to him that may have gone to TE. Breuner is used for his blocking skills but his use will be reduced also because of OD's skills. Breuner has more upside in a Sherman type O than in the O we will see next season. Going forward, I see an even more balance passing attack with emphasis on AJ, Andre Davis (if signed), Walters and JJ. Our RBs will also see an increase of passes especially if Mendenhall, Stewart or J. Charles are selected. TEs will go for that short yardage type pass for a first down or TD or as a dump release to protect QB.

I repeat, tight end is a strength in this O and nothing of significance will be done to add. A cheap FA or lower round pick may be used as BPA only. Just my 2 cents.
well if TE is a strength of this team thats not saying much is it?

we're talking FA here, all three players mentioned where aquired via free agency, meaning they were let go, cut from their respective teams & designated special........ teams material.

this will be Brueners 14th season coming up. @ what point do physical skills diminish, loss of foot speed, laterial quickness & desire to compete against much younger athletes? beleive this is the last year of a contract he signed back in 06 so I have no problem keeping him for insurance but you have to look ahead & this roster spot could be upgraded once again via FA.

However we could see Joel Dreessen stepping into Marks role as the starting blocking TE, better hands & speed. 6th rd. selection of the Jets but released picked up in FA via the Texans in 07. one of the last roster cuts this past season but then brought back & stuck with the active roster bascily the rest of the way. is he comparable to Kevin Boss of the Giants? maybe would like to get a better look this season.

Forgot to even mention Jeb Purtzier, somehow he just slipped my mind, maybe its cause he's never done anything. was hoping he would be our Dallas Clark, what happened anyway? also signed as a free agent in 06, former 6th rd. draft pick, notice a trend? he's caught a whopping total of 6 passes for the Texans in two years, boy I can't wait to see him pad those totals in 08.

Cook was relesed by Tampa & picked up by the Texans in 06. spent 07 on the PUP. once again brought in for blocking & special teams play. Very limited role player, who will be in competition for a roster spot with Jon Abbote, wanna take bets who will make the team in the fall?

Not trying to make a big deal out of it, just posting these are the type of free agent deals, moves the Texans will have an opportunity to make, not the flashy big name high dollar CB's etc.....there is no one single area of strength on this team its pretty evenly dispersed with balance close to NFL averages. Salary cap has a lot to do with that so the playing field remains even for all teams to compete if they're smart, effeicent, good talent evaluators/coaching & cap management savy.

Last edited by beerlover; 02-06-2008 at 01:54 PM.
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