2 gap DT free agents?

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

I think Okoye was a decision of BPA, youth and upside. I think most people are on board with Mario Williams now.

TJ had a decent year and seemed to get it. This was his second year back in the 4-3 as opposed to a 3-4. Thanks Again Dom.

Weaver was a carry over from Capers and was brought in to be a 3-4 DE. So that one isn't on Kubiak.

I think we had our hands tied last year carrying over from bad salary cap decisions. We will be in a better position this year to improve via FA is we so choose to. Looks like we're stuck with RIchard Smith again this year so I'd like to see improvement and what Richard Smith thinks what a defense should look like.

If Dom gets in Dallas I would like to offer him Weaver and Greenwood for Marcus Spears.

I agree and think we are in very good shape on Dline considering. Okoye was an answer for TJ and it seems to have worked. Weaver was not my answer when signed and has disappointed. I wished Kubes would have a TJ talk with Weaver.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by badboy

I agree and think we are in very good shape on Dline considering. Okoye was an answer for TJ and it seems to have worked. Weaver was not my answer when signed and has disappointed. I wished Kubes would have a TJ talk with Weaver.

I think Maddux and Earl Cochran are just as good and a much better value than TJ and Weaver .

Cochran 26 = tackles and 1 sack
Weaver = 41 tackles
TJ = 41 tackles
Maddox = 16 tackles and 2 sacks

Weaver isn't a bad player...

I just don't think he's what we need on the other side of Mario...

Not really a good fit for us IMO, but I'm willing to see how he performs next year after having a while to get over the shoulder thingy...

[feebleminded]

Originally Posted by Goldensilence

Weaver was a carry over from Capers and was brought in to be a 3-4 DE. So that one isn't on Kubiak.

Capers was long gone by the time Weaver was signed. You may be confused because Baltimore changed from a 4-3 to a 3-4 back to a 4-3 while he was there.

The decision to sign Weaver was made because the DL on the roster were 3-4 type players. And clearly the decision was made before they decided to draft Mario Williams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364565

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by feebleminded

Capers was long gone by the time Weaver was signed. You may be confused because Baltimore changed from a 4-3 to a 3-4 back to a 4-3 while he was there.

The decision to sign Weaver was made because the DL on the roster were 3-4 type players. And clearly the decision was made before they decided to draft Mario Williams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364565

I looked it up ... Weaver was signed 3/11/06 . Kubiak was the Coach by then .

This is a CC special ... along with Todd Wade .

[TEXANS84]

I believe Weaver was the #1 or #2 rated FA DE available in FA that year he was signed.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by TEXANS84

I believe Weaver was the #1 or #2 rated FA DE available in FA that year he was signed.

I think the point is , he's fairly expensive and he plays Mario's best position .

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by badboy

Yes, but you have not addressed my question and I value your opinion. Was it a mistake to sign Weaver, TJ, Mario and Okoye and not have any run stoppers? I mean at end of season Killings was the heaviest on roster at 310. Added to that the backers are light to fall back and cover. Was this a coaching philosophy error or just BPA? Also, are you suggesting rotating TJ and Okoye and bringing in a heavy banger at the other DT spot?

Weaver was brought in to be the strong side DE in the 43 after we converted...and he has been a disappointment (in production)...so yeah, I think it was a mistake to sigh him at that cap hit. We needed a DE to rush the passer so Mario wasn't a mistake, and we needed a 3 technique guy inside so if Okoye can show he can stop the run better in the coming seasons he wasn't a mistake either. I do think we need a guy we can play for 25 or so plays in short yardage and in goal line situations that is a space eater though. Weaver is a tweener...he is best suited for DE in a 3-4 defense imo.

Originally Posted by TEXANS84

I believe Weaver was the #1 or #2 rated FA DE available in FA that year he was signed.

That doesn't mean anything sometimes. If you are the best of a bad FA class...that doesn't mean you are gonna be any good. It just means you are the best player in a bad group.

[BSofA04]

I'm sure this has been discuseed here in this thread, but moving Weaver inside to clog the running lane wouldn't be a bad idea. We all know that TJ has the ability to be a great DT in this league, but he has very little stamina and will tire by the time the 4th quarter rolls around. Can Weaver rotate in as a 2 gap DT?

First of all, some simple questions must asked....what is the staus with his shoulder? It certaintly didn't appear to be 100% last year. Is it 100% healed now? Does he favor it a little? Is he hesitent to make contact? Is he leading with his helmet too much? These are big questions that the Texans must answer if we're going to get any significant production out of Weaver.

FYI, I supported the signing of Weaver but admittingly, I'm disappointed in his production like most people.

[TexansSeminole]

Originally Posted by BSofA04

I'm sure this has been discuseed here in this thread, but moving Weaver inside to clog the running lane wouldn't be a bad idea. We all know that TJ has the ability to be a great DT in this league, but he has very little stamina and will tire by the time the 4th quarter rolls around. The biggest question I have is his shoulder. Is it 100% healed? Does he favor it a little? Is he hesitent to make contact? Is he leading with his helmet too much? These are big questions that the Texans must answer if we're going to get any significant production out of Weaver.

FYI, I supported the signing of Weaver but admittingly, I'm disappointed in his production like most people.

Weaver couldn't play DT when Okoye was in. Those two together vs a run sounds like disaster. We need a beefier DT to be on the field when Okoye is out there, someone to eat the guard and center up.

[BSofA04]

Originally Posted by TexansSeminole

Weaver couldn't play DT when Okoye was in. Those two together vs a run sounds like disaster. We need a beefier DT to be on the field when Okoye is out there, someone to eat the guard and center up.

I'm sure that my statement would be dependent on Okoye's advancement in year #2. So I agree with you, at this point it would be a disaster. It's a matter of getting contributions from a guy who's making some significant $$$$. Maybe more effective as a DT?? Who knows. As far as a DE, he seems slow. I know he can be better, but his health SHOULD be questioned this offseason.

[BigBull17]

Originally Posted by TEXANS84

I believe Weaver was the #1 or #2 rated FA DE available in FA that year he was signed.

Thus the reason Im totally against signing big money FA...

[Texans_Chick]

Originally Posted by BSofA04

I'm sure this has been discuseed here in this thread, but moving Weaver inside to clog the running lane wouldn't be a bad idea. We all know that TJ has the ability to be a great DT in this league, but he has very little stamina and will tire by the time the 4th quarter rolls around. Can Weaver rotate in as a 2 gap DT?

First of all, some simple questions must asked....what is the staus with his shoulder? It certaintly didn't appear to be 100% last year. Is it 100% healed now? Does he favor it a little? Is he hesitent to make contact? Is he leading with his helmet too much? These are big questions that the Texans must answer if we're going to get any significant production out of Weaver.

FYI, I supported the signing of Weaver but admittingly, I'm disappointed in his production like most people.

He is not the right size to play DT. And he hates playing DT and only played it when the Texans have few alternatives at that position.

I think it is good of you to bring up the situation with Weaver's shoulder. He apparently had TWO surgeries on it. Functioning shoulders are a pretty important thing for a defensive lineman. And the shoulders can be tricky to come back from. Hard to say what Weaver's 2007 would have been like had he been more functioning.

Generally speaking, teams will be able to keep the free agents they really want to keep because teams have figured the cap, and you have to hope you luck out getting a guy who is a good fit with the other guys you already have.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Texans_Chick

He is not the right size to play DT. And he hates playing DT and only played it when the Texans have few alternatives at that position.

I think it is good of you to bring up the situation with Weaver's shoulder. He apparently had TWO surgeries on it. Functioning shoulders are a pretty important thing for a defensive lineman. And the shoulders can be tricky to come back from. Hard to say what Weaver's 2007 would have been like had he been more functioning.

Generally speaking, teams will be able to keep the free agents they really want to keep because teams have figured the cap, and you have to hope you luck out getting a guy who is a good fit with the other guys you already have.

after the knees, the shoulders do most big guys in as it pertains to lineplay since after a good base, you have to be able to torque and punch those big 300+ pounders on the line. Heck, the shoulder is easy to hurt simply by lifting weights improperly since there are three heads that balance out this delicate joint...I have known a ton of lifters that had bad shoulders over the years. Tony Boselli may still be playing if not for his bad shoulders.

[Texans_Chick]

Originally Posted by Vinny

after the knees, the shoulders do most big guys in as it pertains to lineplay since after a good base, you have to be able to torque and punch those big 300+ pounders on the line. Heck, the shoulder is easy to hurt simply by lifting weights improperly since there are three heads that balance out this delicate joint...I have known a ton of lifters that had bad shoulders over the years. Tony Boselli may still be playing if not for his bad shoulders.

Trying to impress on the bench press. Number 1 enemy of shoulder health.

[beerlover]

How about Corey Williams, Packers 6040 313 DT?

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs...802120468/1989

here are his numbers

http://www.packers.com/team/players/williams_corey/

[Dallas_Texan]

TexanSeminole threw out Keith Traylor. At first I thought he was so old there was no chance, but he would be a good DT to throw in on running situations. The guy is 6'2" and 340 lbs!! He's a monster.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Dallas_Texan

TexanSeminole threw out Keith Traylor. At first I thought he was so old...

He is so old (39 by Week 1). But, Traylor is a former Bronco. So there's always a chance.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by Dallas_Texan

TexanSeminole threw out Keith Traylor. At first I thought he was so old there was no chance, but he would be a good DT to throw in on running situations. The guy is 6'2" and 340 lbs!! He's a monster.

he's closer to 370 than 340...and he is nearly 40 years old. Old and fat isn't a good combination in pro sports.

[texasguy346]

Originally Posted by Vinny

he's closer to 370 than 340...and he is nearly 40 years old. Old and fat isn't a good combination in pro sports.

Except baseball.

Signed,
David Wells