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Old 01-30-2008   #21
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Sam Adams. Anyone remember he interviewed with us late May last season?

I'd say he's a space eater and he has ties with Kubiak.



He eventually signed with Denver, but I believe they released him mid-season.
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Yes! While we're at, why don't we trade Ahman Green for Adrian Peterson?
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Sam Adams. Anyone remember he interviewed with us late May last season?

I'd say he's a space eater and he has ties with Kubiak.



He eventually signed with Denver, but I believe they released him mid-season.
big 350 pounder going into his 15th NFL season? He was an excellent player in his day...but that day has passed.
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big 350 pounder going into his 15th NFL season? He was an excellent player in his day...but that day has passed.
I think the Texans only talked to him because he was a local guy and as a courtesy.
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Still think if they were really interested in a space eating DT....Grady Jackson came available last season after ATL surprisingly cut him. I find it no coincidence about the same time they cut him John Abrahams production declined sharply.

Instead he went on to Jacksonville and did well enough for himself. Man that ATL loss still stings.

You would think if people on a message board could identify this as a need Richard Smith would.
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Still think if they were really interested in a space eating DT....Grady Jackson came available last season after ATL surprisingly cut him. I find it no coincidence about the same time they cut him John Abrahams production declined sharply.

Instead he went on to Jacksonville and did well enough for himself. Man that ATL loss still stings.

You would think if people on a message board could identify this as a need Richard Smith would.
I'm out on Jackson too...12 years in the league and nearly 400 pounds. Dude is only good for about 12 plays a game.
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big 350 pounder going into his 15th NFL season? He was an excellent player in his day...but that day has passed.
See, we funnel the RB to our "hog's" position and maybe the RB falls over our 350 pounder. Less tiring for our DT. I will nick name it the "stay in yo' place" defense.
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Isaac Sopoaga is a guy who I wouldn't mind having around...but the 49ers have stated that they are going to try to keep him since Bryant Young is retiring. He's young and can handle the two gap assignment.
Funny that you say that. I simulated a new franchise 2007 season with the Texans on Madden a week ago and this is the FA DT I picked up.

Never seen him play but his stats seemed to fit the 2 gap DT I was looking for.
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I say lets sign Hakuhō Shō to be our 2 gap DT.
In case you don't know who he is he is a 22 year old sumo wrestler(a Yokozuna no less). He is 6'4 340. A sumo wrestler needs to know about how to push one guy out of a ring. I bet we could teach him how to eat space and push around 2 guys.

Added bonus: he is Mongolian, so we have opened a whole new Texans market!
Here he is.
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I say lets sign Hakuhō Shō to be our 2 gap DT.
In case you don't know who he is he is a 22 year old sumo wrestler(a Yokozuna no less). He is 6'4 340. A sumo wrestler needs to know about how to push one guy out of a ring. I bet we could teach him how to eat space and push around 2 guys.
I will go out on a limb and say that a talent scout would think his body looked "soft".
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I will go out on a limb and say that a talent scout would think his body looked "soft".
Soft schmoft. I bet if you line him up against a Center and Guard he will get their attention. Besides a bunch of 2 gap Dts look "soft" around the mid section. Big boys can play too! Just ask this guy

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That's why I said in that "mold" I think Adams/Jackson/Washington's best years are over. But if we can get a player with a similar skillset I think that is a huge upgrade to our run defense.
I'm no expert on defensive tackles so this may be a dumb question, but what was Zgonina brought in for?
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I'm no expert on defensive tackles so this may be a dumb question, but what was Zgonina brought in for?
I believe he is here just to fill the rotation. Also, I know we hear it too much but it is good to have some experience on the line. That's pretty much his story.
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Here is the draft pool.

http://thefootballexpert.com/dtrankings2008.html

So we bring in Sean Rodgers and Sam Adams in, the fatest guy gets the
run stuffer gig ?



Well, I'm not the expert some are on Defenses or d-coordintors...my guess is they are tring to run the same type of scheme as they've run in denver for three decades. That is: you get your rush from you front four and you smash the bejesus out of the recivers with two very big monsterly size safties.

The common theme, reguadless of Kube's coach speak for the defense for the last five years....they send five or six...no one gets there. You can say the DC sucks...or you could say there is a very good reason there is a bridle on the DC's play book. There is no one on the roster who can cover a NFL reciever for four seconds. And all Manning needs is two and a half and the ball is out.
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Here is the draft pool.

http://thefootballexpert.com/dtrankings2008.html

So we bring in Sean Rodgers and Sam Adams in, the fatest guy gets the
run stuffer gig ?



Well, I'm not the expert some are on Defenses or d-coordintors...my guess is they are tring to run the same type of scheme as they've run in denver for three decades. That is: you get your rush from you front four and you smash the bejesus out of the recivers with two very big monsterly size safties.

The common theme, reguadless of Kube's coach speak for the defense for the last five years....they send five or six...no one gets there. You can say the DC sucks...or you could say there is a very good reason there is a bridle on the DC's play book. There is no one on the roster who can cover a NFL reciever for four seconds. And all Manning needs is two and a half and the ball is out.
There's maybe five DBs in the league that can cover a WR for 4 secs. While we undoubtedly need DB help, we need an edge pass rusher to get pressure. Pressure is the key to stopping elite QBs.
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I'm no expert on defensive tackles so this may be a dumb question, but what was Zgonina brought in for?
Experience. A body. Someone who had played the game a long time and started many games. To scare people with his calves.

But, by DT standards, he is not a huge guy.
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Experience. A body. Someone who had played the game a long time and started many games. To scare people with his calves.

But, by DT standards, he is not a huge guy.
agreed...I'd describe his game as "workmanlike". He's at the end of his career but he probably helped the youngsters on the line in practice Monday-Friday more than he helped the team on game days. A real pro, but not a dominant figure in the middle.
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If the Lions do trade Shaun Rogers, it is thought they'll ask for a proven player who can immediately fill one of the Lions' many defensive holes.
Booth Newspapers' Tom Kowalski mentions Bill Parcells as a potential suitor, noting that Parcells "gushed" about Rogers in conference calls before the Cowboys played the Lions. If the Lions can't find trade partner, Kowalski believes the Lions will give Rogers a weight limit and fine him if he doesn't meet it, a la Mike Williams. Feb. 1 - 10:58 a.m. ET
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So I'm guesing he's around 360. With bad wheels.....and a substance wiff.
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I'm out on Jackson too...12 years in the league and nearly 400 pounds. Dude is only good for about 12 plays a game.
Guess I was trying to say IF we wanted to address it as a need he could've been brought in relatively cheap. Not saying long term deal but It certainly would've helped us in a push to win a game or two more to have a guy like that in the rotation.He certainly helped the Jags.I'd like to steal Paul Spicer from them.

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Well, I'm not the expert some are on Defenses or d-coordintors...my guess is they are tring to run the same type of scheme as they've run in denver for three decades. That is: you get your rush from you front four and you smash the bejesus out of the recivers with two very big monsterly size safties.

The common theme, reguadless of Kube's coach speak for the defense for the last five years....they send five or six...no one gets there. You can say the DC sucks...or you could say there is a very good reason there is a bridle on the DC's play book. There is no one on the roster who can cover a NFL reciever for four seconds. And all Manning needs is two and a half and the ball is out.

TTP Like and respect your opinion(can't rep you again) and think you're right about the front four and safeties. Could very well be why this staff hasn't chosen the more ball hawking type safeties when available. You spot on though if we want a shot at beating Manning regularly we're going to have to do something different i nthe secondary for them. Tennesse and Jacksonville don't worry me as much(unless Vince becomes a better passer).Garrard is efficient at QB and that's what they ask him to do but that offense is centered around the run.
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