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Old 01-29-2008   #1
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Talking Dom Capers

Looks like a member of the Texans 'D-saster' era is going to big D.

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Jerry Jones said last week that the three coaching opening would give Wade Phillips a chance to fill the defense with coaches in line with his philosophy.

But it looks more in more like the coaches the Cowboys have hired and are looking at are a better fit for a coaching staff under Jason Garrett _ the team’s supposed head coach in waiting.

The Cowboys have already hired offensive line coach Hudson Houck who was with the Cowboys when Garrett was a a backup quarterback and coached with Garrett in Miami.

They are looking at Dave Campo as secondary coach. Campo has no ties to Wade Phillips and no experience coaching the 3-4. But he does know Garrett from his days as Cowboys assistant and head coach.

But the linchpin is the team’s interest in Dom Capers. Capers coached with Garrett in Miami. He was also expected to be Garrett’s defensive coordinator if he was named head coach in Baltimore.

He has no ties to Phillips. Now while he does run the 3-4, which is Phillips’ preferred defense, Capers’ style of 3-4 is different from the Phillips 3-4.

There is no question that the Cowboys could be hiring two good experienced coaches.

But is something else at work?

You connect the dots.
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He has no ties to Phillips. Now while he does run the 3-4, which is Phillips’ preferred defense, Capers’ style of 3-4 is different from the Phillips 3-4.
Yea, the suck 3-4.
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Very intriguing, I can see many a Cowboy fan drinking Maalox.
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Yea, the suck 3-4.
I think any 3-4 that has DeMarcus Ware at OLB cant suck. They just need some new guys in the secondary.
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I think any 3-4 that has DeMarcus Ware at OLB cant suck. They just need some new guys in the secondary.
Haha, maybe not. But Dom Capers wasn't exactly a good coach at Miami or here in Houston on defense.
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give him talent (which he'll have in Dallas) and i'm sure he'll do fine.
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Capers wasnt a bad coach. Our defense has been terrible since he left and what coach could win with Carr at QB and Asserley feeding him horrible players. For all the posters still reveling in the ancient 19-10 win over the 'rival' Cowboys, you would think that some would remember that Capers delivered that win to them.

Capers failed as coach but i don't think it was due to his own shortcomings but moreso due to bad QB play, bad talent evaluation, and poor ownership trying to coddle and make excuses for DC's play.....just like many on this board did right up till the day he was taken out with the trash.

I am not saying Capers was great but not even Belichik or Noll could win with Carr at QB and Casserly drafting for them.
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give him talent (which he'll have in Dallas) and i'm sure he'll do fine.

exactly.
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Capers wasnt a bad coach. Our defense has been terrible since he left and what coach could win with Carr at QB and Asserley feeding him horrible players. For all the posters still reveling in the ancient 19-10 win over the 'rival' Cowboys, you would think that some would remember that Capers delivered that win to them.

Capers failed as coach but i don't think it was due to his own shortcomings but moreso due to bad QB play, bad talent evaluation, and poor ownership trying to coddle and make excuses for DC's play.....just like many on this board did right up till the day he was taken out with the trash.

I am not saying Capers was great but not even Belichik or Noll could win with Carr at QB and Casserly drafting for them.
Dude never addressed the safety position and drafted no linebackers for the future. How can you expect to be successful like that? I know he isn't the GM, but he was there for long enough to sway picks his way.
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well they had palmer for a while , so i guess they'll try DC
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I feel sorry for Wade. Good guy that doesn't deserve what's in store for him whether it be this year or next year.

Jerry Jones is, and always will be an asshat. :elle:
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Dude never addressed the safety position and drafted no linebackers for the future. How can you expect to be successful like that? I know he isn't the GM, but he was there for long enough to sway picks his way.
The GM failed to fill the Safety position. The one year we brought in Marlon McRee we had good play and went 7-9 in Year 3. Casserley let McRee leave in favor of Glenn Earl. The lack of Safety play is on Casserley not Capers, imho of course and I respect your opinion however you feel.

When you let quality veterans like Glenn, McRee, and Sharper go, its no surprise when your team dynamic goes to crap and you go 2-14. Capers didn't cut/release/trade those guys. Cass did. 2-14 was on Cass ultimately but Casserley bought himself another few months by throwing Capers under the bus.
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In all fairness to Dom Capers, he has been associated with some pretty good 3-4 defenses i.e. Pittsburgh in '92 and the Panthers... I think the D sucked here because Fangio as much as anyone had to do with it.. The personnel in Dallas gives him a lot more to work with than he had in Miami...

Don't forget, Wade was an assisant coach with the Oilers (LB's including Dr. Doom), whenever the Oilers introduced the league to the 3-4.

With that said, they could make a formidable duo....

Oh, but wait. It's the Cowboys..... Nevermind.



Lest we also forget, Wade has a hot daughter...

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Capers wasnt a bad coach. Our defense has been terrible since he left and what coach could win with Carr at QB and Asserley feeding him horrible players. For all the posters still reveling in the ancient 19-10 win over the 'rival' Cowboys, you would think that some would remember that Capers delivered that win to them.

Capers failed as coach but i don't think it was due to his own shortcomings but moreso due to bad QB play, bad talent evaluation, and poor ownership trying to coddle and make excuses for DC's play.....just like many on this board did right up till the day he was taken out with the trash.

I am not saying Capers was great but not even Belichik or Noll could win with Carr at QB and Casserly drafting for them.
One day I will understand your inconsistancy as to when you place blame on coaches and GM. Casserly did a lot of bad things in the draft, especially making horrible trades and giving up a lot of picks for bad players. At the same time he was drafting players Capers said would fit his system, the 3-4. TJ and Babin did not fit a 3-4 defense, so that part has to belong to Capers.

The defense has been way below average for 6 years and Capers a so called defensive guru, genius, or what ever the hell you want to call him chose players poorly (poor player analysist) and let go players who were a heck of a lot better than the players he said would fit his system.

The GM has to work hand-N-hand with the HC in order to get players that fit the system that is being put in and run, you can not blame just one guy.
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In all fairness to Dom Capers, he has been associated with some pretty good 3-4 defenses i.e. Pittsburgh in '92 and the Panthers... I think the D sucked here because Fangio as much as anyone had to do with it.. The personnel in Dallas gives him a lot more to work with than he had in Miami...

Don't forget, Wade was an assisant coach with the Oilers (LB's including Dr. Doom), whenever the Oilers introduced the league to the 3-4.

With that said, they could make a formidable duo....

Oh, but wait. It's the Cowboys..... Nevermind.



Lest we also forget, Wade has a hot daughter...

quality avatar change. much better 'resolution'.

oh yes, Wade's daughter is a total hottie. Maybe Romo doesn't have to look too far for a new girlfriend post-Jessica.
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One day I will understand your inconsistancy as to when you place blame on coaches and GM. Casserly did a lot of bad things in the draft, especially making horrible trades and giving up a lot of picks for bad players. At the same time he was drafting players Capers said would fit his system, the 3-4. TJ and Babin did not fit a 3-4 defense, so that part has to belong to Capers.

The defense has been way below average for 6 years and Capers a so called defensive guru, genius, or what ever the hell you want to call him chose players poorly (poor player analysist) and let go players who were a heck of a lot better than the players he said would fit his system.

The GM has to work hand-N-hand with the HC in order to get players that fit the system that is being put in and run, you can not blame just one guy.
what is inconsistent? its Casserley's responsibility to find players to improve the team. he failed to do so. so the failures of Casserley, of which there are legion, are all because Capers told him who to draft? Casserley was always so anxious to try and prove that he knew more than anyone else and it ultimately cost the Texans dearly. I put that on Casserley. Capers can only play with the players given to him. Casserley always fell in love with workout warriors (Carr, Babin) and would forego common sense just to try and prove he knew more than average Joe fan.

look at how much the talent has improved since Casserley was kicked to the curb? Our GM was very bad, terminally bad, and there is nothing you can say to make me think otherwise. God Bless Rick Smith.
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The defense has been way below average for 6 years and Capers a so called defensive guru, genius, or what ever the hell you want to call him chose players poorly (poor player analysist) and let go players who were a heck of a lot better than the players he said would fit his system.

The GM has to work hand-N-hand with the HC in order to get players that fit the system that is being put in and run, you can not blame just one guy.
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Capers is responsible for 4 years.

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2002 the Houston Texans were ranked 16th overall. Thats not 'way below average'
2004 19th ranked overall Defense.

So two of Caper's four seasons, the D was middle of the pack.

Dom can be faulted for hiring his buddy Fangio, after Fangio was run out of Indy...

As far as being a guru, Pittsburgh's defense was pretty stout in 92. The Carolina Panthers had a good defense. Jacksonville's D wasn't too shabby... So if Capers is solely to blame for the Texans woes, maybe its the air or something because he has been mildly successful elsewhere.
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Now with all of that said. I am GLAD Dom has departed, but lets be real when we are discussing the overall body of work.
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The GM failed to fill the Safety position. The one year we brought in Marlon McRee we had good play and went 7-9 in Year 3. Casserley let McRee leave in favor of Glenn Earl. The lack of Safety play is on Casserley not Capers, imho of course and I respect your opinion however you feel.

When you let quality veterans like Glenn, McRee, and Sharper go, its no surprise when your team dynamic goes to crap and you go 2-14. Capers didn't cut/release/trade those guys. Cass did. 2-14 was on Cass ultimately but Casserley bought himself another few months by throwing Capers under the bus.
I don't think you are accurately depicting the actual events and each needs to be handled separately as there is not such a bright line rule.

McCree and Foley for instance the coaches did not want retained so Casserly took no action to sign them.

Sharper was a total team decision as the doctors had concerns about his knee (which turned out to be true) and of course Casserly had cap concerns. I'd bet Casserly made final decision on this one but not without Capers' input.

Glenn was unique--they planned on keeping him and he asked to be let go.

Coaches often have much heavier input on who gets let go.
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what is inconsistent? its Casserley's responsibility to find players to improve the team. he failed to do so. so the failures of Casserley, of which there are legion, are all because Capers told him who to draft? Casserley was always so anxious to try and prove that he knew more than anyone else and it ultimately cost the Texans dearly. I put that on Casserley. Capers can only play with the players given to him. Casserley always fell in love with workout warriors (Carr, Babin) and would forego common sense just to try and prove he knew more than average Joe fan.

look at how much the talent has improved since Casserley was kicked to the curb? Our GM was very bad, terminally bad, and there is nothing you can say to make me think otherwise. God Bless Rick Smith.
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Capers is responsible for 4 years.

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2002 the Houston Texans were ranked 16th overall. Thats not 'way below average'
2004 19th ranked overall Defense.

So two of Caper's four seasons, the D was middle of the pack.

Dom can be faulted for hiring his buddy Fangio, after Fangio was run out of Indy...

As far as being a guru, Pittsburgh's defense was pretty stout in 92. The Carolina Panthers had a good defense. Jacksonville's D wasn't too shabby... So if Capers is solely to blame for the Texans woes, maybe its the air or something because he has been mildly successful elsewhere.
Yall were missing my point I did not blame just one I blamed both. Bill I guess I forgot the D was that good those two years. SH, so the GM should just find players he likes and be damned what the HC, OC and DC say are players that would fit into there system? All of them have to be on the same page to get the players needed for a successful organization.

Blaming one for all the players is just foolish thinking, Capers had input on players and to say it was all Asserly's fault is not only wrong it is dead wrong.
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