How many changes?

[Maddict5]

alright finishing up the 07 season this is generally accepted to be our strongest team... so how many changes do you think we'll see on opening day '08??

qb: schaub..... no sage arguments please
rb: green
wrs: AJ, Walter, Davis, Jacoby
te: daniels
lt: salaam
lg: pitts
c: mckinney
rg: weary/briesel
rt: winston
de's: mario, weaver
dt's: travis, amobi
olb's: greenwood, clark/anderson
mlb: meco
cb's: freddy, hutchins(obviously dunta wont be ready for opening day)
safeties: demps, ceandris



personally id like to see 8 but realistically i see 5 or maybe 6

[Thorn]

Until Kubiak and Rick Smith get all the right players for their system, I would expect more turnover in the starters for at least one or two more years. I would put money on six or seven new faces in the starting line up for the coming season.

[Ole Miss Texan]

I don't think we're going to have a significant change in starters...at least come week 1. Obviously as the season goes on, we might have some different ones jump up.

New starters in Week 1:
1 on the offensive line (possibly 2?)
1 outside linebacker
1 secondary (cb?)

I don't see us getting any FA's or draft picks that would come in and start day 1 at these positions: QB, WR, FB, TE, DE, DT, MLB, RB. If we spend our 1st pick on a RB i could see it but I'm not sure of the chances of that AND I think Kubiak sticks with Green if he's healthy and throws in the rookie to.

We can def. use a lot of upgrades but I don't see us being able to get 6 new starters by week 1 in one offseason.

[Lucky]

RB - Thru the draft
C - Chris White or a FA
RG - Brisiel, Studdard, or a FA
DE - FA
SOLB - FA or Diles
CB - Thru the draft, maybe FA
SS - Brandon Harrison (remember him?)

[The Pencil Neck]

RB - Although I hope AG comes back strong, I have a bad feeling he won't. So I'm expecting someone other than AG to start game 1.

OL - I'm expecting Gibbs to shake this up something fierce. But I expect our tackles to be Winston and Salaam in the first game. The interior of the line is up for grabs. I expect at least 1 changes here, possibly 2.

DE - I don't think Weaver is starting next year.
DT - I don't think TJ is starting next year.

OLB - I expect 1 new starter. Not sure who or where.

CB - I expect 1 new starter.
S - I expect something to change in our safety situation.

[WesmanTexanfan]

OT, Cb/saftey, and DE

[threetoedpete]

FAs. Carlos Dansby and Randal Gay

o-line

OLT. Sam Baker or Collins- Salaam, Butler
LG. Erick Winston, Brisiel
C. Cody Wallace, Brandon Frye, White
RG. Studdard, Frye
RT.Spencer, Salaam


CBs Bennit - Gay

Safties

SS Boulware FS Demps/Harrison

LBS Draft pick - Demeco - Dansby

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

FAs. Carlos Dansby and Randal Gay

o-line

OLT. Sam Baker or Collins- Salaam, Butler
LG. Erick Winston, Brisiel
C. Cody Wallace, Brandon Frye, White
RG. Studdard, Frye
RT.Spencer, Salaam


CBs Bennit - Gay

Safties

SS Boulware FS Demps/Harrison

LBS Draft pick - Demeco - Dansby

TTP, you voted for 3 changes and then in your explanation, you show more than 8.

[threetoedpete]

Well we got people dreaming on the grey hound Rb with the eighteen...I can dream too. Just a guess.

[steelbtexan]

lt, cb, s, rg, c, rb (if Green is can't make it back)

[Honoring Earl 34]

I've got two new players on the OL . I have a new CB and I think they'll have a new LB .

[ChrisG]

at least 4: LT, RB (splitting carries if green can actually finish a game), CB, S

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

alright finishing up the 07 season this is generally accepted to be our strongest team... so how many changes do you think we'll see on opening day '08??

qb: schaub..... no sage arguments please - No argument but if Schaub can't stay healthy look for Sage to be named starter at some point.
rb: green - Gone. Running back completion during camp and Green loses his job, either he is cut or traded.
wrs: AJ, Walter, Davis, Jacoby - Still need that big play #2, we still have the same problem we have always had, an outstanding #1 and a bunch of #3's
te: daniels - Daniels better become a better blocker under Gibbs or he will find the fast track to the bench.
lt: salaam - Changed through the draft
lg: pitts - Competition between Studdard and Pitts. Depends on who fits Gibbs system the best.
c: mckinney - Gone. We are going to get younger here, either through FA or draft. Kubiak has expressed concerns in the past about White's size.
rg: weary/briesel - Kubiak was very impressed with Briesel and said after the season was over it would be hard to get that kid out of there. I don't expect Weary to be ready by training camp anyway, plus he might be another guy who does not fit Gibbs system.
rt: winston - Solid RT, future pro-bowler.
de's: mario, weaver - Weaver is gone, or should be, either moved to DT or cut.
dt's: travis, amobi - Travis is gone, or should be, lacks the size and strength to play his position
olb's: greenwood, clark/anderson - Gone, Gone, and is a special teamer. Prove me wrong. Greenwood benifits from Demeco's outstanding play, I have listed reasons in the past why I don't like him.
mlb: meco - Solidified in the middle
cb's: freddy, hutchins(obviously dunta wont be ready for opening day) - Bennitt and FA or draft pick. Hutchins couldn't cover a sofa. When teams realized that Bennitt is pretty good they went after Hutchins and did a pretty good job of making him look like Faggins.
safeties: demps, ceandris - Demps and a FA or draft pick.

I see 12 positions that still need to be upgraded to take the next step.

[hot pickle]

is D-Rob out next year for sure or wat?

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by dunta23

is D-Rob out next year for sure or wat?

He might be able to come back mid to late season. Maybe.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck

He might be able to come back mid to late season. Maybe.

but the fact that they're aiming dor mid-season now means we should be aiming for late season AT BEST..

am I the only that thinks we can read alot into our offseason moves

imo if we pay a big FA cb or draft a first rd cb, we shouldn't be optimistic at all

if its just a 'guy' in FA or a mid rounder, i think that shows they expect him to recover properly and pretty quickly

[CloakNNNdagger]

FYI (this move ran under the radar, but at least interesting),

Chukky Okobi was signed by the Texans as a center. Originally drafted in the 5th round in 2001 Steelers), he worked his way up to be considered for the Steelers starting center position after their starter retired. He lost that opportunity after having what was thought to be a career ending neck injury in camp (2006). Surgery was undertaken, coaching changes occurred and he was released subsequently by the Steelers. The Cardinals were decimated with center injuries when they picked Okobi up in 2007 and subsequently released within a month. He's a good size for a center in the Gibbs system.

BTW, his full name is...........Chukwunweze Sonume "Chukky" Okobi..............Chukky's baaaaaaack............

[Ole Miss Texan]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

qb: schaub..... no sage arguments please - No argument but if Schaub can't stay healthy look for Sage to be named starter at some point.
rb: green - Gone. Running back completion during camp and Green loses his job, either he is cut or traded.
wrs: AJ, Walter, Davis, Jacoby - Still need that big play #2, we still have the same problem we have always had, an outstanding #1 and a bunch of #3's
te: daniels - Daniels better become a better blocker under Gibbs or he will find the fast track to the bench.
lt: salaam - Changed through the draft
lg: pitts - Competition between Studdard and Pitts. Depends on who fits Gibbs system the best.
c: mckinney - Gone. We are going to get younger here, either through FA or draft. Kubiak has expressed concerns in the past about White's size.
rg: weary/briesel - Kubiak was very impressed with Briesel and said after the season was over it would be hard to get that kid out of there. I don't expect Weary to be ready by training camp anyway, plus he might be another guy who does not fit Gibbs system.
rt: winston - Solid RT, future pro-bowler.
de's: mario, weaver - Weaver is gone, or should be, either moved to DT or cut.
dt's: travis, amobi - Travis is gone, or should be, lacks the size and strength to play his position
olb's: greenwood, clark/anderson - Gone, Gone, and is a special teamer. Prove me wrong. Greenwood benifits from Demeco's outstanding play, I have listed reasons in the past why I don't like him.
mlb: meco - Solidified in the middle
cb's: freddy, hutchins(obviously dunta wont be ready for opening day) - Bennitt and FA or draft pick. Hutchins couldn't cover a sofa. When teams realized that Bennitt is pretty good they went after Hutchins and did a pretty good job of making him look like Faggins.
safeties: demps, ceandris - Demps and a FA or draft pick.

I see 12 positions that still need to be upgraded to take the next step.

Okay so I understand you saying we have 12 positions that need to be upgraded that's nothing new...but the real question is how many of those are actualy (or can be) upgraded through FA and the draft in one offseason! my guess is no team is going to be able to do that!

[Goldensilence]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

FAs. Carlos Dansby and Randal Gay

o-line

OLT. Sam Baker or Collins- Salaam, Butler
LG. Erick Winston, Brisiel
C. Cody Wallace, Brandon Frye, White
RG. Studdard, Frye
RT.Spencer, Salaam


CBs Bennit - Gay

Safties

SS Boulware FS Demps/Harrison

LBS Draft pick - Demeco - Dansby

I know you're a line guy ...so why move Winston to gaurd when he was the most consistant player on the line by far this year?

I'm also not putting my money on Spencer returning AND getting his playing weight down. I really do hope he gets back....would bea true shame to have such a promising career taken away like that. That said IF he makes it back that's icing on the cake for this team.

I totally agree with the Center assesment. Would love to se Dansby on this team too. Especially if we're content to having Smith as our D coordinator.I'm also curious to see what Harrison could bring to the table. Gay or trufant would be good picks on the outside especially with Dunta's status uncertain.

[cuppacoffee]

No love for my guy TJ?..

You guys will see. TJ will make believers out of you yet.