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Old 11-25-2004   #1
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I have been a Texans fan since they started, and am probably the only Californian to actually see a home game (Green Bay on Sunday). Since the inception, Dom Capers has proven himself to be a great coach for a new team, but he lacks the ability to take a team to the next level. We have the talent, but his conservative coaching style will never produce a championship team. Until he is replaced, we will continue to be a .500 team at best.
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He got the Panthers to a Championship game,so I think he knows how to do it. I'm to the point this year that i'm happy if they sweep the hated Titans and end the year at 6-10 or better.If they only go 5-11 or 4-12 I say off with their heads.
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7-9, no less...and Capers keeps his job.
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I'm a firm believer in the fans don't know the whole story. All we see is what happens on the field. Capers could be the problem, but I don't know and think that there is more to it than the coaches losing all these games. We do have a lot of talent, but we don't have a team that is developed yet for whatever reason that may be. I really don't know where the problem lies...but I am on the coaching staff's side for this one...probably bc I don't know enough about what happens behind the scenes...
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I still like Capers. He's made some mistakes but I think he's the right coach for this team.
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I completely understand that it is easy to blame the coaching staff... but it is quite clear that, while Capers is a really nice guy, and a good fundamental coach, he still lacks the skill to take a team to a championship. I have no problem letting a team develop, along with the coach, and if everyone is happy with him, then let's put our collective heads down, understand that it is going to be a long road, and just wait it out...but Capers still has yet to prove himself as a championship coach...also, what's with all the one way streets in Houston???? Man is it hard to get around!!!
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The back to back performances against Denver and Indy is what concerns me
the most. It's odd for a team to have such totally lackluster, heartless performances in consecutive games. I think that lack of effort is on the coaching staff.
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I do think part of it is in the coaching or atleast the playcalling, Carson Palmer did good last week in the first half but the calls in the second half left me wondering wtf they were thinking. The playcalling is way to conservative for me although i love da texans. We have fast wide recivers in bradford, johnson, and even armstong, i think they should try going over top alot more.
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Carson Palmer called our plays last week? That dude must be superman, playing in a day game, then calling the plays for the Texans by night. However, it does explain alot.
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Sorry to pop your bubble, pal. But, I too live in California and am a big Texan fan since the start.
I was on my way home from pheasant hunting last Sunday. The ESPN radio had the Sacramento Kings game on. What a rip! So, I didn't get to see the game. I just got to read about it and listen to the radio. And of course, the Bull Pen.
I hope that the lack luster showing in the Indy game was just a fluke. If it keeps up, then you have to blame the coaching for not preparing.
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i dont blame the coaches for the the loss are "conservative" play calling. If we had all the talent we NEED than the plays they call would work, and we would hang onto win games. But we do not YET have enough talent to win the close games, and all the plays suddenly turn into CoNsErVaTiVe play calling. After next draft and FA than we should be ready to compete with the best and make a play-off run with capers STILL beign our coach. I think capers is a good coach.
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How come the Panthers and the Jaguars both made the playoffs in their 2nd year. The Jags went to the playoffs in their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th seasons. Three straight years. Most Houston fans are happy to go 4-12, 5-11, and whatever this year brings. If we go 6-10 then everyone will say we improved and therefore our plan is working. I think Capers has been given way too much time with no measuring stick to judge his franchise building plan by that I have heard of.
Players don't usually spend their careers with one team anymore due to free agency so long term plans have to take that into account. If you don't win then players don't want to stay and free agents are less likely to sign with your team.
I could half way stand Capers if we had a different OC and Capers stayed out of the offensive play calling totally.
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The Jaguars were 7-9 their first season because in 1995 they took advantage of a brand new free-agent market system that was flooded with quality players. This was way before teams locked up all their big name talent. The Panthers and Jaguars were not your typical thin expansion teams. Both teams went into the playoffs right off the bat.
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Another difference is that Jacksonville and Carolina both had two first round picks their first year. If you don't think that is signifcant, imagine what the Texans would be like if in their inaugural draft they had drafted WR Javon Walker with their second pick in the first round and then drafted either DeShaun Foster or Clinton Portis instead of Jabar Gaffney.
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Another Texans fan out in California (still consider myself a Texan though). Got my Sunday Ticket all setup to watch the game every week. Been to a number of games at Reliant - even had season tickets last year even though I could only personally use them twice.

My thoughts on the coaching: everyone likes to jump on Capers and Palmer and the playcalling. I don't question the straight playcalling as much as the obvious lack of preparation on the road in Indy and Denver, the consistent Carr audible to the run, the lack of holes in the o-line (well, plenty for the d-linemen to go through but none for our RB), and our inability to tackle. Those are all things that I think come down on some level to coaching. I'm willing to give the staff the benefit of the doubt for a while, but as the talent level increases these things become increasingly unacceptable. Capers has a plan for this team and I'm willing to let him execute it, but obvious mistakes and lack of preparation can't be tolerated.
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i like coach capers and feel he has done a great job in building this team, and he has a plan for this team and most of the pieces are already in place, by next year he will have this team where he wants it. They never gave him much of a chance to carry out his plan in Carolina. Look at all the bright young talent he has helped this team get, Its only a matter of time before he has all the pieces in place and once he does i feel he will go far with this team !
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Actually, after further research, it appears that Carolina and Jacksonville had their second first round picks at the very end of the round. If the Texans had the same first year draft picks, they would have been able to pick Jabar Gaffney with the last pick in the first round and then either Foster or Portis with the first pick in the second round.
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i like coach capers and feel he has done a great job in building this team, and he has a plan for this team and most of the pieces are already in place, by next year he will have this team where he wants it. They never gave him much of a chance to carry out his plan in Carolina. Look at all the bright young talent he has helped this team get, Its only a matter of time before he has all the pieces in place and once he does i feel he will go far with this team !

There is alot more to building a team than just having bright young talent. Like knowing what to do with it.
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I have to laugh at everyone. When sh!t hits the fan after a few bad runs, everyone start jumping on the coaches. All I have to say is this:

I never heard any cr@p about conservative coaching when we went for it on fourth down last year to win the game. If we'd lost alot of people would have jumped his @ss. Instead they sung praises of how lucky we were to have a coach that took a risk.

Let's not forget our improvement the past years - our first year we were 4-12 and the titans were 11-5 and indy was 10-6 (hell might as well throw in the jags at 6-10)

And our second year we improved (with massive injuries) to 5-11 when Indy & the titans went 12-4.

Now 3rd place in our division will be decided next week because we are tied with the titans at 4-6.

Our first year we won 2 conference games. In 2003 we won 3. We've won 4 this year and we are coming up on week 12 with 3 conference games left.

We are in the AFC people - it's tough out here. If we were in the NFC, we'd only be 1 game out of the playoff wild-card race.

Ponder that a bit before you start calling for the heads of people that have helped bring us to where we are now. Not one of us can begin to understand everything. We do not see or hear all that develops behind the Texans shroud.

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I have to laugh at everyone. When sh!t hits the fan after a few bad runs, everyone start jumping on the coaches. All I have to say is this:

I never heard any cr@p about conservative coaching when we went for it on fourth down last year to win the game.

Let's not forget our improvement - our first year we were 4-12 and the titans were 11-5 and indy was 10-6 (hell might as well throw in the jags at 6-10)

And our second year we improved (with massive injuries) to 5-11 when Indy & the titans went 12-4.

Now 3rd place in our division will be decided next week because we are tied with the titans at 4-6.

Our first year we won 2 conference games. In 2003 we won 3. We've won 4 this year and we are coming up on week 12 with 3 conference games left.

Ponder that a bit before you start calling for the heads of people that have helped bring us to where we are now. Not one of us can begin to understand everything. We do not see or hear all that develops behind the Texans shroud.

Bring us where we are now? Where is that? I don't claim to understand everything but I don't stick my head in the sand either. I state my opinions like everyone else here.

As far as Capers goes I haven't liked him since before the Texans existed (except as a defensive coordinator). Ditto for Palmer. Does that mean I can't be a fan of the Texans? No. We had coaches for the Oilers that I didn't like (Kevin Gilbride, Jerry Glanville) but it didn't stop me from cheering for them on gameday.

Is there some measuring stick out there for our franchise building plan? How do we know if it is working as planned? Do we just sit back for 5 years and then figure out if it was successful or not? Does 6-10 mean we are on the road to success?

I'm not as patient as Vinny and some others here. I see an ugly offense on the field that looks confused at times. It baffles me why Capers switched to a zone blocking scheme our 3rd year instead of starting with it from the beginning or not at all. I'm not worried at all about the defense other than the DL. One thing Capers will do is put a defense together that is usually top notch.

I hope Capers is on the right track and does eventually get the Texans to the playoffs and the superbowl. I just think in this day and age of free agency this plan is slooww if it is working. You can only do so much in the draft. The longer a plan is the more players that we will see come and go due to free agency and the cap.

Here are the draft choices and rules as we started out:

Player access plan approved by league


A player access plan for the Houston Texans expansion franchise that begins play in 2002 has been approved by a vote of NFL clubs.

The plan will enable the Texans to:


Acquire in February via an access draft 30-42 veteran players (or players with total 2002 salaries of at least 38 percent of the Texans' 2002 salary cap) from the rosters of the other NFL clubs.
Select a combined total of 14 extra rookie players in the next two college drafts (same as 1999 expansion Cleveland and 1995 expansion Carolina and Jacksonville in their first two drafts).
Sign veteran free agents between February and July 2002 under the same terms as the league's other 31 clubs and same terms as the expansion Cleveland club in 1999 and expansion Carolina and Jacksonville teams in 1995.
"The plan is very similar to the one we used for Cleveland," said NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue. "It is designed to offer the Texans the opportunity to become competitive at an early date."

The veteran access draft will be held on Monday, Feb. 18 (ESPN, 2:00 PM ET). It will require the existing 31 clubs to submit a list of five veteran players for selection by the Texans. Each club can expose only one player who was placed on injured reserve after the start of the 2001 regular season, only one player who has 10 or more years of free agency experience, and no more than two players with "spiked contracts" in 2002 (description below).

Neither punters nor kickers may be part of the list. Teams (other than the clubs advancing to the conference championship games) must submit their list of players for the veteran draft by Jan. 22. The two clubs losing in the conference championship games must submit their lists by Jan. 29, while the two Super Bowl teams must submit their lists by Feb. 5.

A "spiked contract" is defined as a contract in which:
-- The 2002 salary cap value is at least $1.2 million and represents an increase of at least 75 percent over the 2001 salary cap value; AND
-- The 2002 cash value is at least $1.2 million and represents an increase of at least 75 percent over the 2001 cash value.

The Texans must select between 30 and 42 players in the veteran draft or a fewer number of players with total salaries of 38 percent of the cap. An existing club can recall one player from its list after one of its players is selected. After a second player is selected from a club, that club can pull back both of its remaining players.

Houston will have 28 choices in the NFL Draft over the next two years, 14 in 2002, and 14 in 2003. If the Texans make the playoffs in 2002, the team will not have extra picks in 2003.

In the 2002 draft (April 20-21), the Texans will receive the first pick in each of the seven rounds. They will also receive seven additional picks to be allocated in the following manner:


One selection in each of Rounds 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 after all teams with a 2001 regular-season winning percentage of less than .500.
Final selection in Round 7 (after all compensatory selections).
In the 2003 draft, Houston will receive one regular pick per round based on its 2002 record, the same as all other clubs.

The Texans will also receive seven additional picks in the 2003 draft -- unless they make the playoffs in 2002, in which case they will receive no extra picks. These picks will vary depending upon Houston's 2002 won-loss percentage, as reflected in the following year's draft order. These additional picks would be allocated in the following manner:


2002 W-L Extra Picks in 2003 Draft
#25 through #32 One pick in Rounds 3, 4 and 5. Two picks in Rounds 6 and 7.
#19 through #24 One pick in Rounds 4 and 5. Two picks in Round 6. Three picks in Round 7.
#13 through #18 One pick in Round 5. Two picks in Round 6. Four picks in Round 7.
Playoff team No extra picks.

The first extra Houston pick in any round will fall 16 slots below the club's original choice in that round, but no lower than the end of the round, after any compensatory picks. The second, third or fourth extra pick in a round will be at the end of the round after any compensatory selections.

In 2001 and 2002, Houston will be prohibited from trading any draft picks to acquire rights to sign or obtain the contractual release of any non-player personnel (e.g., coach, general manager).

The Texans may begin signing previously-terminated free agents this year. From Dec. 27 until the end of the 2001 regular season, Houston may sign a maximum of 10 free agents (not under contract to other teams) to 2002 contracts.

The Texans will be eligible to sign both restricted and unrestricted free agents during the 2002 veteran free agency signing period, which begins March 1. They will have the same access to veteran free agents as the other 31 clubs.

During the period from Feb. 18 until July 15, however, the Texans' roster must include at least 30 players acquired from the veteran access draft or a fewer number of players acquired in the veteran draft with total salaries of at least 38 percent of the 2002 salary cap. Any of these players who are released after June 1 are entitled to a supplemental expansion bonus equal to the player's minimum Collective Bargaining Agreement salary even if he subsequently signs with another team.

Other personnel rules for the Texans:

Roster Size, Cutdowns:


Texans Rest of League
Offseason roster limit of 90 80
First cutdown to 70 65
Final cutdown to 56 53
Active/inactive roster limit of 56 through third week of regular season 53

NFL Europe League Exemptions: (description below)

Waiver Priorities: Through the third weekend of the 2002 regular season, Houston will have waiver priority, and thereafter waiver rights will be based on its 2002 record, the same as all other teams.

The 2002 Houston Texans access plan is basically the same as that followed by the Cleveland Browns in 1999, with the following exceptions:


There were no limitations on "spiked contracts" in the Cleveland Browns' 1999 Player Access Plan.
Players with prior injuries who are exposed in the Veteran Draft must be physically able to play by June 1, 2002 (as opposed to July 1 under the Cleveland plan).
The existing clubs have reserved the right to adjust the number and/or position of Houston's extra picks in the 2003 NFL Draft if Houston were to lose more than the 14 games Cleveland lost in its first season.
In addition to the 2002 extra roster spots listed above, Houston will receive a number of exemptions equal to the average number of roster exemptions earned by other NFL clubs under the provisions of the NFL Europe League Allocation Policy.

Here is who we took:

Houston's picks in order, with position, former team and 2002 salary cap hit:

1. Tony Boselli
OT, Jaguars, $6,883,332

2. Ryan Young
OT, Jets, $563,000

3. Aaron Glenn
CB, Jets, $8,013,177

4. Gary Walker
DT, Jaguars, $5,250,000

5. Jamie Sharper
LB, Ravens, $2,875,000

6. Jermaine Lewis
WR, Ravens, $4,289,333

7. Marcus Coleman
CB, Jets, $5,480,750

8. Seth Payne
DT, Jaguars, $2,775,000

9. Matt Campbell
OG, Redskins, $875,000

10. Matt Stevens
S, Patriots, $565,000

11. Jeremy McKinney
OG, Browns, $405,760

12. Ryan Schau
OT, Eagles, $563,000

13. Charlie Rogers
RB/KR, Seahawks, $563,000

14. Sean McDermott
TE, Bucs, $300,000

15. Jabari Issa
DE, Cardinals, $397,666

16. Avion Black
WR, Bills, $460,000

17. Danny Wuerffel
QB, Bears, $555,760

18. Brian Allen
LB, Rams, $452,000

19. Johnny Huggins
TE, Cowboys, $300,000


Here is the 2002 draft:

Round Overall Pick Player Pos School
1 1 David Carr QB Fresno St.
2 33 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 50 Chester Pitts OG San Diego St.
3 66 Fred Weary C Tennessee
3 83 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 99 Jonathan Wells HB Ohio St.
5 136 Jarrod Baxter FB New Mexico
5 153 Ramone Walker S Pittsburgh
6 173 Howard Faggins CB Kansas St.
6 190 Howard Green DT LSU
7 229 Greg White DE Minnesota
7 261 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV

Here is the 2003 draft:

Round Pick Player Pos School
1 3(3) Andre Johnson* WR Miami (FL)
2 9(41) Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
3 3(67) Antwan Peek OLB Cincinnati
3 11(75) Seth Wand OT NW Missouri St.
3 24(88) Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 4(101) Domanick Davis HB LSU
6 19(192) Drew Henson* QB Michigan
6 41(214) Keith Wright DE Missouri
7 3(217) Curry Burns S Louisville
7 19(233) Chance Pearce C Texas A&M

And the 2004 draft:

Round Pick Player Pos School
1 10(10) Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
1 27(27) Jason Babin DE W. Michigan
4 26(122) Glenn Earl S Notre Dame
6 5(170) Vontez Duff CB Notre Dame
6 10(175) Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
6 35(200) Charlie Anderson DE Ole Miss
7 9(210) Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 10(211) Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 47(248) B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
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