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Old 01-16-2008   #21
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I want to talk about this point more.

This is the point I am making with not knowing WTH Richard Smith's philosophy is on defense. Does he not see the need for an excessive cheeseburger guy? Is he intentionally loading up on smallish light guys in the interior because he wants a fast light line?

Here's the listed weights of the DTs (including IR just to get a sense of what the Texans look for):

Okoye: 302 (probably lighter)
Johnson: 305
Zgonina: 290 (most of that located in his calves)
Maddox: 295
Bulman: 300
Deljuan Robinson: 296
Killings: 310

We don't know what a Richard Smith 4-3 is supposed to look like because he has never run one. But apparently, he likes smallish DTs because these are all the same guy sizewise. I see the need for a big DT, and so do you, but I am sure if he told GM Rick Smith to get him a cheeseburger guy, that guy would have been got.

This is one of the reasons why the Texans struggled against the run and seem to get wore down in the second half of games. (The turnovers and playing from behind probably didn't help either).

This is the concern I have.

You can keep loading up talent on the defensive side of the ball, but if you don't have a coherent philosophy on defense, you don't know what players to acquire.
Not to mention Grady Jackson could've been had pretty early in the season for a fair price. He certainly helped the Jags push and came up big in the Pitt game.
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Okoye: 302 (probably lighter)
Johnson: 305
Zgonina: 290 (most of that located in his calves)
Maddox: 295
Bulman: 300
Deljuan Robinson: 296
Killings: 310
Interesting... I never really evaluated it before now, but my feeling would've been that Maddox plays the "heaviest" out of those guys. I always thought of him of more of a wide body, not so much by his appearance, but his play on the field...

*edit* I don't equate "slowness" to "heavyness", otherwise Zgonina gets the prize, right?
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Count me in the group that would love to have that big DT space eater who excells against the run. When Jackson was available I thought he would make a good fit for at least the short term of this season.
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I want to talk about this point more.

This is the point I am making with not knowing WTH Richard Smith's philosophy is on defense. Does he not see the need for an excessive cheeseburger guy? Is he intentionally loading up on smallish light guys in the interior because he wants a fast light line?

Here's the listed weights of the DTs (including IR just to get a sense of what the Texans look for):

Okoye: 302 (probably lighter)
Johnson: 305
Zgonina: 290 (most of that located in his calves)
Maddox: 295
Bulman: 300
Deljuan Robinson: 296
Killings: 310

We don't know what a Richard Smith 4-3 is supposed to look like because he has never run one. But apparently, he likes smallish DTs because these are all the same guy sizewise. I see the need for a big DT, and so do you, but I am sure if he told GM Rick Smith to get him a cheeseburger guy, that guy would have been got.

This is one of the reasons why the Texans struggled against the run and seem to get wore down in the second half of games. (The turnovers and playing from behind probably didn't help either).

This is the concern I have.

You can keep loading up talent on the defensive side of the ball, but if you don't have a coherent philosophy on defense, you don't know what players to acquire.
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The way I see it, Smith is trying to build a 4-3 D with 3-4 DL..........and our DL was showing the deficiencies of the 3-4D......the run, especially if it is not support by the LBs........................and the pass rush, if not supported by LB or safety blitz.

Even with our known deficiencies, the SCHEME (if anyone could make one out at all) was poor. I would have rather seen an element of game plan that was successfull ocasionally accompanied by an ultimate "burn job." As it were, we continually got burned with little to show for it anyway.
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I want to talk about this point more.

This is the point I am making with not knowing WTH Richard Smith's philosophy is on defense. Does he not see the need for an excessive cheeseburger guy? Is he intentionally loading up on smallish light guys in the interior because he wants a fast light line?

Here's the listed weights of the DTs (including IR just to get a sense of what the Texans look for):

Okoye: 302 (probably lighter)
Johnson: 305
Zgonina: 290 (most of that located in his calves)
Maddox: 295
Bulman: 300
Deljuan Robinson: 296
Killings: 310

We don't know what a Richard Smith 4-3 is supposed to look like because he has never run one. But apparently, he likes smallish DTs because these are all the same guy sizewise. I see the need for a big DT, and so do you, but I am sure if he told GM Rick Smith to get him a cheeseburger guy, that guy would have been got.

This is one of the reasons why the Texans struggled against the run and seem to get wore down in the second half of games. (The turnovers and playing from behind probably didn't help either).

This is the concern I have.

You can keep loading up talent on the defensive side of the ball, but if you don't have a coherent philosophy on defense, you don't know what players to acquire.
I could be way off here, but I think the D line has been crafted to disrupt the QB not stop the run. Our LBs seem to be crafted to stop run not sack QB or drop back and cover.
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What about Ahman Green? I know he signed a pretty decent deal the year he came to you guys. Looked like he wasn't doing that bad at the beginning, but then of course he got injured. Do you know what his status is? Is it time to move on?
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What about Ahman Green? I know he signed a pretty decent deal the year he came to you guys. Looked like he wasn't doing that bad at the beginning, but then of course he got injured. Do you know what his status is? Is it time to move on?

Is it just me? How does a guy who knows nothing about our franchise hit the nail on the head the first time.


YES. I was going to start a website... moveon.org but I guess its taken. I was just going to put pictures of Babin, Pburnt, Matt Stevens, Charley Casserly and Dom Capers, Bosseli, Peek and add Green to the list. Oh well. That may be the dumbest thing I've said this year (the year is still young I have pleanty of time to make it worse.


But yes... MOVE ON!!!!

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What about Ahman Green? I know he signed a pretty decent deal the year he came to you guys. Looked like he wasn't doing that bad at the beginning, but then of course he got injured. Do you know what his status is? Is it time to move on?
Ahman's contract was set up for him to be productive for us for 2 years and then part ways. Ahman started off looking like he was really going to be a good deal but he got injured so early on in the season that we never really got a good look at him. He actually injured himself in the first game against the Chiefs, tried to play through it, and then in the third game against the Colts, he re-injured it and was never the same.

I think he's going to get a chance to come in and make a contribution. But I think that the front office is going to make moves as though he's not going to be able to make it back.
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Ahman's contract was set up for him to be productive for us for 2 years and then part ways. Ahman started off looking like he was really going to be a good deal but he got injured so early on in the season that we never really got a good look at him. He actually injured himself in the first game against the Chiefs, tried to play through it, and then in the third game against the Colts, he re-injured it and was never the same.

I think he's going to get a chance to come in and make a contribution. But I think that the front office is going to make moves as though he's not going to be able to make it back.
Oh okay. That's a shame. I thought he looked really good in a Texans uniform. Is there consensus among Texans fans about who needs to be taken in the upcoming draft?
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Oh okay. That's a shame. I thought he looked really good in a Texans uniform. Is there consensus among Texans fans about who needs to be taken in the upcoming draft?
Our three primary needs are CB, RB, and LT.

As you would expect, people tend to align themselves into one of the three camps and formulate their wishes accordingly. Some of the "in the know" media types seem to think we'll sign a CB via FA and address LT and RB with our first two picks (a first and third rounder.)

With that being said, there will be a lot that changes between now and April.
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Our three primary needs are CB, RB, and LT.

As you would expect, people tend to align themselves into one of the three camps and formulate their wishes accordingly. Some of the "in the know" media types seem to think we'll sign a CB via FA and address LT and RB with our first two picks (a first and third rounder.)

With that being said, there will be a lot that changes between now and April.
I agree with this. also our GM has said already, he would like to move back for picks. I read that as If the remaining two high end RBs are on the board and we get an offer we will move back for extra picks. Stewart and Mendenhall will have to blow them away befor they will pick either one of them with an offer on the table. They are desperate for a CB. The consenus with the more knowledgeable board members is that William Gay brings the highest end in terms of cap dollars and tallent level. If the Patties don't tag him , I expect the Texans will make a run at him.
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I agree with this. also our GM has said already, he would like to move back for picks. I read that as If the remaining two high end RBs are on the board and we get an offer we will move back for extra picks. Stewart and Mendenhall will have to blow them away befor they will pick either one of them with an offer on the table. They are desperate for a CB. The consenus with the more knowledgeable board members is that William Gay brings the highest end in terms of cap dollars and tallent level. If the Patties don't tag him , I expect the Texans will make a run at him.

Did you mean Randall Gay.....William Gay, I believe is Pittsburg's CB..........
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There isn't a whole lot Richard Smith can do about having lighter DTs. The only guy that he seemed to want was Okoye and that is because he is a special talent. These other guys, besides Johnson, are fill-in guys. Maddox has proven he can play and he just happens to be on the lighter side. He plays like a bigger DT.

I think you wil see SmithDC lobby for a bigger space eater in FA.
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My bad. yes I ment Randal Gay. Must of had a William rattling around up there.
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I want to talk about this point more.

This is the point I am making with not knowing WTH Richard Smith's philosophy is on defense. Does he not see the need for an excessive cheeseburger guy? Is he intentionally loading up on smallish light guys in the interior because he wants a fast light line?

Here's the listed weights of the DTs (including IR just to get a sense of what the Texans look for):

Okoye: 302 (probably lighter)
Johnson: 305
Zgonina: 290 (most of that located in his calves)
Maddox: 295
Bulman: 300
Deljuan Robinson: 296
Killings: 310

We don't know what a Richard Smith 4-3 is supposed to look like because he has never run one. But apparently, he likes smallish DTs because these are all the same guy sizewise. I see the need for a big DT, and so do you, but I am sure if he told GM Rick Smith to get him a cheeseburger guy, that guy would have been got.

This is one of the reasons why the Texans struggled against the run and seem to get wore down in the second half of games. (The turnovers and playing from behind probably didn't help either).

This is the concern I have.

You can keep loading up talent on the defensive side of the ball, but if you don't have a coherent philosophy on defense, you don't know what players to acquire.
Between Vinny & TC, both of whom I think has taken quite a bit of their time to observe, to listen, study and incorporate others' ideas and inputs, we have a pretty good sense of what the Texans are made of. Especially, when we add some those keen observations from other board members who are numerous I can't name them all (not that everybody agree 100% with what others have been saying.)

The off-season will give us more time to reflect and access where the team is in its ascend off the expansion mode.

I only wish to touch up a bit on the defensive side, where it still seems more foggy.
As we may recall, we started of the Kubiak era with a D that lacked agressiveness in the first few games, even as the DC promised otherwise. Then he started to bring some pressure and we got burned in the backfield, so they went back to the basics as the IR mounted.

This year, as some of us had noted, the Texans once more started out with the basics, trying not to make defensive mistakes that give up big plays. We never had a chance to extend the D, what with all the injuries in the backfield.
The idea was to try to keep it close, especially on the road, then make a game out of it. For a young, or otherwise depleted by injuries, I feel that it was the right thing to do. Except, we kept imploding in the third quarter in all those losses. (So it can be argued that why not go on being agressive on the road.)

Given that our schedule ends up one of the most difficult in the league, I think second guessing the defensive philosophy may be a bit too harsh. For we must also remember that all those turnovers by the offense didn't help.
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Oh yeah, another question that's not really related. It's about your former runningback Dominack Davis. He was becoming one of my favorite players in the league. It's unfortunate that his injury pretty much messed him up. Does anyone have any updates on him? I'm assuming he decided to retire. Is this the case?
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Oh yeah, another question that's not really related. It's about your former runningback Dominack Davis. He was becoming one of my favorite players in the league. It's unfortunate that his injury pretty much messed him up. Does anyone have any updates on him? I'm assuming he decided to retire. Is this the case?
He retired before the beginning of the season last year ('06 season), and we were basically stuck running Ron Dayne, Samkon Gado, and Wali Lundy. I don't think a lot of people have heard what's going on with Davis in the recent months.
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Hi. I'm a 49ers fan and I've been interested in the Houston Texans and their development for the past couple of years. Thinking they were a team on the rise. But I'm not too certain about the detailed information regarding your ball club. Your needs at key positions, coaching changes (I know about the Alex Gibbs thing that just happened the other day, but other than that I'm not too certain), and other events that have occurred. This is because I live in California and don't get to see the Texans play that often. Can you guys give me the basic scoop? Oh and how do you guys feel about Matt Schuab?
Well, most of us are pleased that we finally accomplished a non-losing season with an arguably strong finish to what looked like a bust of a injury plagued season. With all of that said, there plenty of holes to fill in our roster. First and foremost, I would say the secondary. Dunta Robinson, our pro bowl CB (and arguably the best player on our team), suffered a major injury this year and it's not certain to what capacity he'll returen...if he ever returns. His absence was noticable, as Quinn Gray and the back-up Jaguars lit up our secondary for 4 TDs and 300 yards through the air. Fred Bennett, rookie CB out of South Carolina, showed signs of promise...but ultimately will need more time on the field to determine whether or not he'll be a cornerstone of our defense. Ultimately, a CB/SS would be our biggest defensive concern at the moment. Watching other teams pick apart our secondary is painful to watch, especially when it's Joey Harrington and the Falcons. Good news on defense would be that DeMeco Ryans continues to be a beast (I just bought a liberty white Ryans jersey by the way) and Mario Williams has proven to be more valuable a player than either Reggie Bush or Vince Young, meaning that we actually made a good 1st round draft selection for a chance. With that said, an OLB to compliment DeMeco and a DE to compliment Mario would be much welcomed. I would also say that we could use a new DC, as Smith has done little to inspire any confidence. However, that's highly unlikely to happen.

Offensively speaking, we are in better shape. Matt Schaub showed moments of greatness and moments of disaster, as all young QBs do. Fortunately, in light his injury, back Sage Rosenfels came out ready to play ball and, as some would argue, actually outplayed Schaub. Our largest offensive concern, in my opinion would be the offensive line. Particularly the everything from the center to the LT. McKinney, while a decent center, is getting into his later years and will be returning from a major injury, I'm not too excited about counting on him. Flanagan, McKinney's backup at Center, more or less played himself in the dog house...definitely not an option next year if you ask me. Our LT tackle, Ephraim Salaam, while exceeding exceptionally low expectations, still put out a substandard season which, depending on how you look at it, took our starting QB out for the season. Watching Matt get blindsided at least once every game was painful. I would say that Chester Pitts, our current LG, is sort of our token average player who is mainly kept around because he is a great team leader and person on and off the field. However, despite being a great guy, he is hardly starter quality. Then again, he was too dreadful at LT, but I would like to see us fill that position with a first round draft pick as I am not to keen on the idea of just praying to God that Charles Spencer (LT, drafted in the 3rd Round of the 2006 draft out of Pittsburgh) returns from a mass array on injuries and just compensating for him while he is absent. We tried that with Tony Boselli, didn't work. Out side of our offensive line, however, the offense actually didn't look that bad. Andre Johnson continues to live up to his reputation as our best offensive player, Kevin Walter really stepped to become a clutch sort of #2 receiver who will go over the middle and make tough catches and take hard hits. Andre Davis, wellll...two kickoffs returned for TDs in one game. I'll let that speak for it's self. Even Ron Dayne, with a little help from mystery man Darius Walker (who posted impressive number in limited playing time), began to put up numbers that would imply that our running game actually exists.

On the whole, we've improved...just not enough. We are in the toughest division in the NFL, and good enough will not be good enough if we are to ever make it to the playoffs.
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Fred Bennett, rookie CB out of South Carolina, showed signs of promise...but ultimately will need more time on the field to determine whether or not he'll be a cornerstone of our defense. Ultimately, a CB/SS would be our biggest defensive concern at the moment.
We have too many Strong Safties on our team as it is. Will Demps, CC Brown, Bouleware, Glenn Earl...What we need is a Free Saftey, someone who can cover the top and not get burned by the long ball.
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I think Demps played pretty well at FS for us. But yeah, he's not a long-term answer if we do re-sign him.
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