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Old 01-14-2008   #1
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Default Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

I read this guy on another forum post:

"It's not close. Long is bigger, plays with more of a mean streak and can do more (zone, pull, trap, slide, block in space). Thomas didn't start getting crazy love until he ran the nice 40 time.

Jake Long is a legit LT prospect. I'm not a believer in LT moving to RT if they're not cutting it. LT and RT are two different positions at the highest levels of football. "

I couldn't help but scratch my head. He claims to have played OL at the D-1 level.
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

Long is nowhere near Thomas. then there's this nonsense:
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Thomas didn't start getting crazy love until he ran the nice 40 time.
people have a funny way of distorting the past. either A) he just made up history to further advance his own theory, or B) he just didn't pay attention at all to all the top 5 hype Thomas was getting for the previous two full seasons while Thomas played at Wisconsin. either way, he's not too bright. his talk about moving someone who's playing LT to RT just because they aren't "cutting it" means he has NO idea what he's talking about. he's one of these people that think LT means "best tackle" and RT means "not good enough to play LT." nonsense. ignore this one.
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

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Long is nowhere near Thomas. then there's this nonsense:

people have a funny way of distorting the past. either A) he just made up history to further advance his own theory, or B) he just didn't pay attention at all to all the top 5 hype Thomas was getting for the previous two full seasons while Thomas played at Wisconsin. either way, he's not too bright. his talk about moving someone who's playing LT to RT just because they aren't "cutting it" means he has NO idea what he's talking about. he's one of these people that think LT means "best tackle" and RT means "not good enough to play LT." nonsense. ignore this one.
Did'nt Thomas blow out his knee in a bowl game his junior year ? He would have been a top 10 pick that year .

He was the 3rd pick in 2007 draft ... that's after recovering from his knee injury .
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

I was listening to Dan Patrick the other night and he said Joe Thomas gave up half a sack this season! As a rookie!!
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

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Did'nt Thomas blow out his knee in a bowl game his junior year ? He would have been a top 10 pick that year .

He was the 3rd pick in 2007 draft ... that's after recovering from his knee injury .
yes he did and that's why he stayed his senior season. had he not blown out his knee he would've been a top 10 pick that year.
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he's one of these people that think LT means "best tackle" and RT means "not good enough to play LT."
Good post but what exactly is the difference? I mean take Eric Winston. A great LT at Miami. A great RT for us. LT a big problem for us. Why exactly do we not have Eric Winston at LT? Is it size? Is it strength? Speed? I understand the concept of LT taking on faster RE and RT taking on the stronger, run stopper LE.

Oh and yeah, those guys are morons. Joe Thomas was a top 5 pick before the combine. But hey, it's better when history suits one's own agenda.
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

meh, he wasn't really a "great" LT at Miami. he had lots of potential and everyone expected him to excel since he was so big and athletic and was moved over to that position after coming to Miami as a tight end. i never saw the greatness in him. his agility as a TE stayed with him at tackle; tall, good speed, tough, strong, but pretty lanky as he lumbered down the field, not a lot of razzle dazzle. as a tackle he was pretty much the same big stiff guy with good athleticism and short arms. stiff hips + short arms = definitely not a candidate for left tackle in the NFL. he had enough trouble as it was with the position in college.
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

Plus he, Winston, was injured his second to last year. His last year was more of a recovery period. (Or so I vaguely remember)
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

Joe Thomas had himself a very impressive rookie year in the NFL making the Pro Bowl Roster. he answeared the question about his knee & stay'ed healthy over the course of an entire season playing a very high level.

Jake Long is a RT prospect thats going to get paid LT money.
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meh, he wasn't really a "great" LT at Miami. he had lots of potential and everyone expected him to excel since he was so big and athletic and was moved over to that position after coming to Miami as a tight end. i never saw the greatness in him. his agility as a TE stayed with him at tackle; tall, good speed, tough, strong, but pretty lanky as he lumbered down the field, not a lot of razzle dazzle. as a tackle he was pretty much the same big stiff guy with good athleticism and short arms. stiff hips + short arms = definitely not a candidate for left tackle in the NFL. he had enough trouble as it was with the position in college.
Rare I agree with you Kast, but I think that Winston was very, very disappointing his last year in School when I got a chance to watch him play and wasn't shocked he fell down the draft board.
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

The thing that makes me laugh is all the so-called draft guru's were saying the Thomas was not as good as D'brick. Opps I think they may have gotten that one wrong by about a freakin state or two.
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Default Re: Jake Long a better prospect than Joe Thomas?

Joe Thomas is much better than Jake Long.
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Long is nowhere near Thomas. then there's this nonsense:

people have a funny way of distorting the past. either A) he just made up history to further advance his own theory, or B) he just didn't pay attention at all to all the top 5 hype Thomas was getting for the previous two full seasons while Thomas played at Wisconsin. either way, he's not too bright. his talk about moving someone who's playing LT to RT just because they aren't "cutting it" means he has NO idea what he's talking about. he's one of these people that think LT means "best tackle" and RT means "not good enough to play LT." nonsense. ignore this one.
I watched Joe Thomas about eight times from the time he was a sophmore untill he declared. I'm glad the Texans are not face with the choice of Jake Long. I think Long is more like Bryant McKinney/Marcus McNeil for Minnesoda and San Deigo respectivly.

. I think Joe Thomas is much closer to what Bruce Mathews was. He is very quick and strong. amazing how much better the QB and the moss backed RB got once JT and Steinback locked down the left side for the brownies.
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