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Old 01-10-2008   #1
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Hello all,

I occasionally talk football at another forum and thought it was interesting to read another NFL fan's thoughts on our football team:

Here is what he said when comparing Denver to Houston:

"Its rather interesting to see Denver and Houston make moves. Shanahan, and now Kubiak, keep most things in house. The teams are complete opposites right now. Denver is stacked at skill positions, Marshall, Stokely, Walker, Scheffler, Graham, Henry, Cutler, Champ, Dre, Lynch. Outside of AJ and Dunta there are not too many playmakers on the team. Then our lines and LBs outside of DJ are POOR right now, but Houtson has Okoye, Williams, Ryans, and the rest of the Texans line and LBs are pretty stacked."

I disagreed with him on his assesment of our WR/TE core as well as his overrating our DL/LB. I think he looked at the talent more than the production jmo though.

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Hello all,

I occasionally talk football at another forum and thought it was interesting to read another NFL fan's thoughts on our football team:

Here is what he said when comparing Denver to Houston:

"Its rather interesting to see Denver and Houston make moves. Shanahan, and now Kubiak, keep most things in house. The teams are complete opposites right now. Denver is stacked at skill positions, Marshall, Stokely, Walker, Scheffler, Graham, Henry, Cutler, Champ, Dre, Lynch. Outside of AJ and Dunta there are not too many playmakers on the team. Then our lines and LBs outside of DJ are POOR right now, but Houtson has Okoye, Williams, Ryans, and the rest of the Texans line and LBs are pretty stacked."

I disagreed with him on his assesment of our WR/TE core as well as his overrating our DL/LB. I think he looked at the talent more than the production jmo though.

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Pretty generic assessment from the Denver fan because there's some truth to it, but it's not the whole story. He doesn't give enough credit to our WR's and Owen Daniels as you stated, but Special Teams are what's kept the Texans in some games. Chalk up an impressive ST unit for us as well.

IMO, Denver getting pretty old at CB and Safety. Aside from Marshall, none of their other WR's scare me. Denver's going to hit a point of mediocrity unless they can continue to find some gems through the draft as they normally do. Houston on the other hand, has the potential to improve but what we lack IS in fact skill position players. If we can upgrade 2-3 positions this offseason, we'll have our first Week 18 game!
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I frequent forums that include fans from all the teams (Except the Titans. Nobody roots for the Titans outside of Tennessee really). A few of their (Broncos fans) comments from the Thursday night game:

(After the Sage Rosenfels naked bootleg for a touchdown on the opening drive)
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I remember when Bronco drives used to look like that
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Oh here's a shock Kubiak knows how to defend against this offense
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He's bringing a guy every time to cut off the bootleg
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Jesus F_____ C______it's like watching a doppelganger
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The Chargers ran that play a lot last year.
Fake a hand off to the FB, toss to the RB
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Regardless of the outcome of the game, based just on these first couple of series, the Denver secondary needs to get off the plane, head straight to Dove Valley, and start working on tackling drills.
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don't even remember the last time denver had respectable special teams
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STOP BITING ON THE PLAYFAKE *******
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man, you gotta respect the Ron Dayne, or he'll torch ya
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The Texans are brilliant at drafting.

Who knew.
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(AJ's TD on the swing pass in the 4th)
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If there's one coach in the league I don't mind the Donkos losing too, it's Kubiak. I just hope that when Shanahan is done, he regains his rightful place on the Denver sideline.
So that's most of their thoughts over the course of that game. I think it's pretty obvious they see a lot of their team in us. We seem to be better built for right now though
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Hello all,

I occasionally talk football at another forum and thought it was interesting to read another NFL fan's thoughts on our football team:

Here is what he said when comparing Denver to Houston:

"Its rather interesting to see Denver and Houston make moves. Shanahan, and now Kubiak, keep most things in house. The teams are complete opposites right now. Denver is stacked at skill positions, Marshall, Stokely, Walker, Scheffler, Graham, Henry, Cutler, Champ, Dre, Lynch. Outside of AJ and Dunta there are not too many playmakers on the team. Then our lines and LBs outside of DJ are POOR right now, but Houtson has Okoye, Williams, Ryans, and the rest of the Texans line and LBs are pretty stacked."

I disagreed with him on his assesment of our WR/TE core as well as his overrating our DL/LB. I think he looked at the talent more than the production jmo though.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts on Denver and Houston comparisons.

I think they are having a twinish situation.

Their offenses are systems and the coaches have strong philosophies as to what they want for their offense. Though the offenses look good at times, and put up some fat stats sometimes, their offense struggles with youth at the skill positions, particularly quarterback. Denver's offensive line is not what it should be, and their run game is not consistent like it used to be, and maybe their are some questions at line coaching. The Texans line is improving, but having the different styles of offensive line blocking makes it harder to disguise what they are running on offense, which is a part of what Kubiak likes to do. They've had difficulty having a consistent running game.

The best part of the offense is that the head coaches know what they want on offense. Kubiak knows the run game is an issue, so he get Gibbs.

The worst part of both teams is that though they know what they want to do philosophically on offense, they are completely lost when it comes to the defensive side of the ball. Both teams throw talent on the defensive side of the ball (Denver mostly in the secondary and Houston mostly on the line), but there is no Denver-style or Houston-style defense other than putrid. They figure if they put enough talent there, something good will happen.

The Broncos got a defensive coordinator and canned him after one year. We have an inexperienced defensive coordinator and our defense has performed worse than Denvers but so far there aren't significant coaching changes in the offing on that side of the ball.

So the philosophies are: get the system guys on offense, and hope to throw enough talent on the defensive side of the ball so that something eventually good happens even if they don't have much of a defined philosophy. That if the offense gets good enough, the defense can be aggressive because they are playing from ahead.

The biggest differences in the teams, as I see them is two-fold:

1. The Texans care about special teams. They have had to because that is a way that bad teams can steal wins. If their STs can stay good, while improving the rest of the team, that could be a cool thing.

2. Character. Kubiak/McNair/Rick Smith care more about the character of their players than Shanahan does. Shanahan will take more risks with that sort of thing, mostly because he has enough good will with the owner and fanbase that he can. Maurice Clarett was a Shanahan pick, (Smith was not a fan).


I think Shanahan misses Kubiak and a lot of the personnel that have left over the years. I think the Denver team would be much better if they still had Kubiak, Pariani, and Gibbs in particular. I think both teams could use a stud coordinator for the defensive side of the ball--someone with a proven philosophy and the ability to identify, acquire and draft the kind of guys he needs to run his defense.
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Denver's OL sucks. It seemed that Cutler was alway being pressured.
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I could say we do not have to worry about getting a defensive coordinator from Denver.
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Or maybe because Mario is such a stud DE.
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The worst part of both teams is that though they know what they want to do philosophically on offense, they are completely lost when it comes to the defensive side of the ball.
I am not sure this is entirely true of the Texans.

While I think Kubiak has little defensive vision I think the Texans philosophy is get a DC that they like and let him do whatever he wants on that side of the ball. Richard Smith has a philosophy, they just need to time to draft for it and learn it. That is why I hope we show patience with him and let the players grow into the system.
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I am not sure this is entirely true of the Texans.

While I think Kubiak has little defensive vision I think the Texans philosophy is get a DC that they like and let him do whatever he wants on that side of the ball. Richard Smith has a philosophy, they just need to time to draft for it and learn it. That is why I hope we show patience with him and let the players grow into the system.
Richard Smith was the defensive coordinator that they knew and was available at the time. He says he wants to run an aggressive 4-3.

Every time he tries to do what he wants to do, things suck, so they "get simple." He might have an idea in his head what he wants to do, but we haven't seen it on the field and he has never been a solo defensive coordinator before or a defensive coordinator of a primarily 4-3 defense. So we have no clue what his defensive philosophy is because we have never seen it.

The Texans defense looks its best when the opposition screws up--dropped balls and the like.

It is hard to be patient and to trust someone who doesn't have a track record and has shown very little of why you should trust them. The offensive side of the ball has had hiccups, but at least you can see where they are going and significant improve. On defense, you see a lot of individual effort, but little scheme and play calling wise to give you confidence in the future.

It is hard to be patient when the backups of the Jaguars run up and down on the field on the Texans.

If there is someone better out there and available, I would like to get him because I have little faith that Smith can turn it around. I would love to be persuaded otherwise.
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I am not sure this is entirely true of the Texans.

While I think Kubiak has little defensive vision I think the Texans philosophy is get a DC that they like and let him do whatever he wants on that side of the ball. Richard Smith has a philosophy, they just need to time to draft for it and learn it. That is why I hope we show patience with him and let the players grow into the system.
I disagree. I'm with Texans Chick on this one. You can't make a defensive attitude change without changing the defensive coordinator. Can they get better with Smith as the DC? Absolutely, but they'll never be great IMO. With all that talent and another draft coming up, they can be better - but like so many of us keep saying - talent's only a part of it. Defense is about attitude, especially in the AFC South. The Texans have hired Mr. Nasty for the Offensive Line, now I'd love to see them do the same for the defense, but it's pretty clear they're committed to Richard Smith for another year at least.

Now, all that said - if suddenly the secondary is really good next year, and it allows Smith to blitz more freely, it could certainly start to give the team a nasty streak, and instill a little more fear in other teams.
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We need someone willing to take chances. We need someone that will take no prisoners. We need someone to kick ass on the opposing quarterbacks. We need a new philosophy on defense, and I have just the coach for you. Suicide Kat is available, and I would suggest we give him an interview. He works for kibbles and doesnít take shit from anyone.



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We need someone willing to take chances. We need someone that will take no prisoners. We need someone to kick ass on the opposing quarterbacks. We need a new philosophy on defense, and I have just the coach for you. Suicide Kat is available, and I would suggest we give him an interview. He works for kibbles and doesnít take shit from anyone.



Obviously Iím having a hard time taking the off season seriously.
Hitting the cat nip again tonight Thorn? Typing is still pretty good though.
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Hitting the cat nip again tonight Thorn? Typing is still pretty good though.
It's Friday, so that's a good possibility.
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It's Friday, so that's a good possibility.
I have a feeling that it's a long shot though!

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