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Old 01-09-2008   #1
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Default Derek Anderson to start for Cleveland in '08

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Browns GM Phil Savage said Wednesday morning that Derek Anderson will be the team's starting quarterback in 2008.

Anderson, a Pro Bowl alternate, threw 29 touchdowns and 19 interceptions in his first year as a starter. Savage feels Anderson deserves "a chance to go into the batter's box and swing for the fences next year. Our expectation is that he'll hit some home runs for us." Savage says a long-term contract is a possibility for Anderson and indicated that he's off the market in trade talks. Brady Quinn will open the season as a backup. Jan. 9 - 1:34 pm et
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Anderson still has to be signed to a contract. And I doubt that the Browns will be willing to give him a $20 million bonus. So the question is, will the Browns tender Anderson a RFA contract (with 1st & 3rd round compensation). Or will they franchise him (with 2 1st round picks as compensation). If given the RFA is offered, someone will snap him up (Panthers, Bears, Vikings?) for the 1st & 3rd. If they franchise tag Anderson, the Browns will have to cough up over $10 million just for one season. This isn't over.
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Default Re: Derek Anderson to start for Cleveland in '08

Smart move, give him one more year and see if it was a fluke or the real deal. I'm not a fan of Quinn, but this can only help him as he sits and learns the game more until he is ready to takeover.
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It's kind of odd anointing someone as a definite starter two weeks into the off-season.
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Atleast he has earned it. Cleveland would be foolish to just let him go after the year he had.
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Or will they franchise him (with 2 1st round picks as compensation).
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Anderson still has to be signed to a contract. And I doubt that the Browns will be willing to give him a $20 million bonus. So the question is, will the Browns tender Anderson a RFA contract (with 1st & 3rd round compensation). Or will they franchise him (with 2 1st round picks as compensation). If given the RFA is offered, someone will snap him up (Panthers, Bears, Vikings?) for the 1st & 3rd. If they franchise tag Anderson, the Browns will have to cough up over $10 million just for one season. This isn't over.
You really think a team would give up a 1st and 3rd for Anderson? I guess they could do the Matt Schaub scenario though.
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Default Re: Derek Anderson to start for Cleveland in '08

To be honest, I think it was a fluke. I don't think he'll be there after next season, he has plenty of flaws to be exposed over the course of this next season.
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You really think a team would give up a 1st and 3rd for Anderson? I guess they could do the Matt Schaub scenario though.
The Texans gave up (2) 2nd rounders for a guy who had never started. If the Bears can't get McNabb in a trade, they would think a 1st & a 3rd is a bargain for a guy who threw 29 TDs last season.
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The Texans gave up (2) 2nd rounders for a guy who had never started. If the Bears can't get McNabb in a trade, they would think a 1st & a 3rd is a bargain for a guy who threw 29 TDs last season.
Maybe, but they have a decent draft position this year. Plus the Texans were way more desperate for a QB, but who knows.......the Bears could be alot better with a halfway decent QB.
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Maybe, but they have a decent draft position this year. Plus the Texans were way more desperate for a QB, but who knows.......the Bears could be alot better with a halfway decent QB.
I don't know about that. When the Texans fired him (he's certainly had a drop off since then), Carr wasn't nearly as bad as either Grossman or Orton. Still pretty bad though.
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I don't know about that. When the Texans fired him (he's certainly had a drop off since then), Carr wasn't nearly as bad as either Grossman or Orton. Still pretty bad though.
You honestly believe that? I don't know much about Orton, but Grossman was better than Carr, which isn't saying much.
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You honestly believe that? I don't know much about Orton, but Grossman was better than Carr, which isn't saying much.
Yeah, not by much. In 2006, despite Grossman throwing many more TDs (as well as many more INTS) than Carr, he only completed 54% of his passes for 6.8 yards per pass. Carr completed 68% of his passes at 6.3 yards per pass. Both sucked then in my opinion, but at least Carr could be counted on to make the short dump offs and not turn the ball over. He was never a TD machine, but in my opinion...throwing 8 less INTs is more important than throwing 12 fewer TDs in my opinion. Being a TD machine doesn't mean anything when you throw 20 INTs a year. They both sucked, but during both of their best years (2006) I would have marginally preferred Carr. Not that I would have really been happy with either of them in 2006. Grossman was just lucky to have played for a good team. Whoever picks him up next season, like the Panthers who took Carr this last season, are going to be kicking themselves in the ass. All in all though, this is like comparing cat sh*t and dog sh*t. Just my two cents though.

Perhaps I did exaggerate by saying "not nearly as bad". More like, "marginally better".
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You can't franchise a RFA, only an URFA.
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First the Browns must retain Anderson for at least one more year. They have three options. They can sign him to a multiyear contract. They can tender him a $2,562,000 offer, in which case a team signing Anderson to an offer sheet would have to compensate the Browns with a first-round and third-round choice if the Browns do not match. They could also give Anderson the franchise tag. A team offering Anderson a contract in that case would have to compensate the Browns with two first-round picks if they do not match.

Giving Anderson the franchise tag would cost the Browns less in the long run than matching a long-term offer. As a franchise quarterback, Anderson would be paid about $10.6 million in 2008 -- a huge salary-cap hit, but the Browns are about $30 million under the cap. The franchise tag would pair Anderson and Quinn for one more year. The negative to that strategy is Anderson would be an unrestricted free agent on March 1, 2009.
That's obviously wrong.

Savage has said that Anderson will get the maximum RFA offer which brings the 1st & 3rd compensation.
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He said he intends to intensify work to negotiate new contracts for quarterback Derek Anderson, a restricted free agent, and running back Jamal Lewis, who is unrestricted, "as soon as this week."
If a new contract for Anderson can't be worked out, Savage reiterated the club will give Anderson the contract tender that guarantees a first- and third-round draft choice if another team signs him away in free agency.
How the heck did Mr. Mittens enter the conversation?
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Wow, Brady has had bad luck since the day he walked off of Notre Dame's campus. They could possibly get the Bears 1st Round pick for him, which allow them to recoup the 1st round they gave to the Cowboys but I am not sure anyone would bite on that. I just cant see the Browns paying 2 guys starter money. Its like resigning Carr and then drafting/signing Vince Young. it doesn't make sense any way you look at it. Anderson earned the job so I don't feel bad for Brady, but you gotta think he is hating it right about now. Brady could still get you a mid to late 1st Rounder with the current crop of QBs out there this year. Panthers may be willing to take a chance on Quinn also.....who knows.
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Wow, Brady has had bad luck since the day he walked off of Notre Dame's campus. They could possibly get the Bears 1st Round pick for him, which allow them to recoup the 1st round they gave to the Cowboys but I am not sure anyone would bite on that. I just cant see the Browns paying 2 guys starter money. Its like resigning Carr and then drafting/signing Vince Young. it doesn't make sense any way you look at it. Anderson earned the job so I don't feel bad for Brady, but you gotta think he is hating it right about now. Brady could still get you a mid to late 1st Rounder with the current crop of QBs out there this year. Panthers may be willing to take a chance on Quinn also.....who knows.
Right now Quinn is not making starter money he is making rookie money and the contract is back loaded if he becomes the starter.
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Yeah, not by much. In 2006, despite Grossman throwing many more TDs (as well as many more INTS) than Carr, he only completed 54% of his passes for 6.8 yards per pass. Carr completed 68% of his passes at 6.3 yards per pass. Both sucked then in my opinion, but at least Carr could be counted on to make the short dump offs and not turn the ball over. He was never a TD machine, but in my opinion...throwing 8 less INTs is more important than throwing 12 fewer TDs in my opinion. Being a TD machine doesn't mean anything when you throw 20 INTs a year.
I disagree with this.

A TD is 6 points. An INT might be 0, 3, 7 points. Some INTs are just garbage trying to make a play at the end of a half and some INTs aren't even the QB's fault. INTs at the wrong time are back breakers but a lot of INTs don't even turn into points (except with our D).

To me, a TD is much more important than an INT. To me, someone who has 20 TDs and 20 INTs is a much, much better QB than someone who has 10 TDs and 10 INTs because those 20 TDs are probably going to translate into more games won.
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I disagree with this.

A TD is 6 points. An INT might be 0, 3, 7 points. Some INTs are just garbage trying to make a play at the end of a half and some INTs aren't even the QB's fault. INTs at the wrong time are back breakers but a lot of INTs don't even turn into points (except with our D).

To me, a TD is much more important than an INT. To me, someone who has 20 TDs and 20 INTs is a much, much better QB than someone who has 10 TDs and 10 INTs because those 20 TDs are probably going to translate into more games won.
INTs take away the potential to put points on the board however, which in most cases can kill a teams momentum...which can take even more points off the board. I suppose it's how you look at it though.
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Both of y'all make good points, but I have to agree with Pencil neck. TDs are confirmed points, while turnovers are only potentials on both sides.
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