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Old 01-03-2008   #1
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Default Colts/titans Collusion Conspiracy???

Browns and their fans are evidently fuming and, if indeed it's true, I can't much blame them.


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Did Indianapolis Colts and Tennessee Titans coaches have an under-the-table agreement at the end of last Sunday's game?

Tennessee quarterback Kerry Collins said on WFAN Radio on Thursday that the Titans kneeled at the end of the game Sunday because they knew the Colts wouldn't call a timeout.

With Tennessee leading 16-10 and needing a victory to make the playoffs, the Titans had originally called a running play, Collins said. But the team changed to a kneeldown when he was told over his headset that the Colts wouldn't call a timeout, which would have possibly forced the Titans to punt with less than 20 seconds left in the game, Collins said.

"Apparently there was some communication between Jeff (Fisher) and Tony (Dungy)," Collins said on WFAN.

Fisher said he knew Dungy wouldn't use the timeout because he's so familiar with the Colts coach's thinking, the Knoxville (Tenn.) News-Sentinel reported Thursday.

"Let me just say, I knew he wasn't going to use it. Tony and I were on the competition committee for a long time," Fisher said, the newspaper reported.

The Titans coach also said the Colts would have gotten the ball back with 25 seconds left but down nine because Tennessee would have kicked another field goal, the newspaper reported.

"It didn't make any sense. They gave it their best shot," Fisher said, the News-Sentinel reported.

Dungy congratulated the Titans.

"I have to congratulate the Titans and I think it is a feather in the cap of our division to get three teams in the playoffs,” Dungy said, Colts.com reported. “They (the Titans) certainly deserve it.”

If true, the Cleveland Browns could possibly file a grievance alleging collusion, which is against NFL rules. The Browns would have made the playoffs if the Titans had lost.
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Collusion has nothing to do with this VY just Broke the Colts in to submission.
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Default Re: Colts/titans Collusion Conspiracy???

My gut feeling is that there was no collusion between the teams, but I think Dungy wasn't too concerned with winning because he preferred the tacks in the playoffs instead of the Browns...
Yeah, I know that the tacks have played well against the Colts for the last few years, but while watching the Colts/tacks game, I got the feeling that Dungy was playing it to get the tacks in instead of the Browns...
Of course, it's all speculation on my part, but that was my gut feeling at the time.
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Hey Browns .... beat the Bengals and none of this matters .
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My gut feeling is that there was no collusion between the teams, but I think Dungy wasn't too concerned with winning .

I agree. I think it's crappy in the current system a team's playoff chances may hinge on scrubs and apathetic coaching.
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Default Re: Colts/titans Collusion Conspiracy???

This is just anoter case of Dungy's self rightousness. Dungy is a PHONY. This messes with the integrity of the more thn SPY-GATE could possibly do. Check out Dungy's quotes about SPYGATE.
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if it were the colts with the lead, they would have thrown a bomb against us
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Default Re: Colts/titans Collusion Conspiracy???

The Browns have no one but themselves to blame. They controlled their destiny to the playoffs and lost. When you have to rely on another team losing to a team that has nothing to play for then you risk things like this happening.
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Default Re: Colts/titans Collusion Conspiracy???

Lets see - if they run one more run play there is a possibility of someone getting hurt in a game that is A.)meaningless to Colts (and their backups) and B.)already decided.

What reason would Dungy have to call a timeout?

Browns blew it by letting backup players for the Colts decide their playoff future.

My 2 cents...
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if it were the colts with the lead, they would have thrown a bomb against us
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exactly...browns take care of business then no "conspiracy"
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It is an interesting take, but I don't buy it. What's pathetic is the Titans got to play Indy's 3rd stringers to make the playoffs........while both New York and New England played starters the whole game and were basically in the same position. To me it's more about the integrity of the game than anything and Indy showed they don't care about that. The Pats and Giants showed integrity.
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I wont read too much into this. Dungy probably just gestured to Fisher that he had no intentions of calling a timeout. Afterall, why would he?? Running another play in that circumstance would only increase the possibility of an injury for either team. There was absolutely nothing to be gained.
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It is an interesting take, but I don't buy it. What's pathetic is the Titans got to play Indy's 3rd stringers to make the playoffs........while both New York and New England played starters the whole game and were basically in the same position. To me it's more about the integrity of the game than anything and Indy showed they don't care about that. The Pats and Giants showed integrity.

Probably a match against egos.

One team wanted to go undefeated, the other, to be the ones that denied them.

With that said, why do you put all of your players at risk for injury when they are both in the playoffs?

Cleveland has to man up and accept they didn't make it to the playoffs because of their own fault, not Indianapolis'.
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Probably a match against egos.

One team wanted to go undefeated, the other, to be the ones that denied them.

With that said, why do you put all of your players at risk for injury when they are both in the playoffs?

Cleveland has to man up and accept they didn't make it to the playoffs because of their own fault, not Indianapolis'.
Probably, and I understand the injury implications as well, but I believe in some momentum too. I bet Jax comes out flat against the Steelers and lose because of that. Just my take....
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1. Fact Dungy let Manning bomb away all game against us
2. Fact Dungy didn't let Manning do this against the TACKS
3. Fact Dungy didn't use his last T.O. therefore didn't give his team a chance to win.
4.Fact Dungy messed with the integity of the game
5. Fact Anything Dungy saya about N.E. or Belicheck about messing with the integrity of the game is hypocrytical.
6. Fact Dungy gets a pass from the press on this stuff because he's good old Tony
7. The press is hypocritical ( Dungy vs Belicheck) (Bonds vs Clemens) & so on.
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It seems to me that Dungy would not want the Titans in the playoffs. Nobody knows your team as well as your divisional opponents, and the Tits always play the Colts well.

I think Cleveland fans are just bitter that their team couldn't get over the hump. The AFC has been tough in that regard.
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http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=ar...c-bd2679ae1eaa

this is kinda what suprises me.. yet, I understand they had nothing to play for and don't want to risk injury to any key players

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Perhaps not in the standings, because as far as the standings are concerned, the Colts clinched their division and the No. 2 seed in the AFC playoffs a week ago.

And perhaps not to fans, or outsiders.

But to Dungy, in his sixth season as the Colts' head coach, the final two games of the season – and that includes Sunday afternoon’s game against the Houston Texans – matter quite a bit on a different level.

Two reasons:

• The games are division games.

• And they’re in the RCA Dome.

And those, to Dungy, are very big reasons indeed.

“Controlling the division is so important,” Dungy said this week as the AFC South Champion Colts (12-2) prepared to play the fourth-place Texans (7-7) at the RCA Dome Sunday at 1 p.m.

“You don’t want to give the other team that momentum. You don’t want to give them the sense that they’re better than you. You want to keep that mindset that you’re going to win these division games.”

The Colts, who have won the last five AFC South titles, will play host to another division team, the Tennessee Titans (8-6) in the season finale on Sunday, December 30.

This week, with the final two games meaning nothing in the standings, Dungy repeatedly answered questions about how much starters and front-line players would play, with the issue being the importance of rest versus momentum entering the postseason.

It’s an issue that annually faces teams that clinch their postseason seeding before the final game of the regular season, and an issue with which the Colts have dealt three of the past four seasons.

The Colts’ approach is to play as well as possible while getting as healthy as possible, Dungy said.
I am not saying that the Colts should have taken it easy on us ,but like DB said.. Titans play Colts tough and to get them in the playoffs where they might possibly meet is dangerous... just one of those games where stats can be thrown out the window when it comes to Colts-Titans
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Probably, and I understand the injury implications as well, but I believe in some momentum too. I bet Jax comes out flat against the Steelers and lose because of that. Just my take....
Yeah, but the Steelers played like crap in their last game. Where's their momentum coming from?

I once thought the Colts were classy. But after the pumped in crowd noise (I'm not buying the tape feed excuse), all of the whining Dungy gave the refs in week 16 (when he was getting so many favorable calls), and now this...no class.
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It would have given the colts maybe 25 seconds to play and try to charge down the field. What would the point be. They needed a TD. Not like Sorgi had done anything at all in the game to show he could have gotten the team down the field. Add to that that all of the main WR core was on the bench. It would make no sense to call a TO and try to push it down the field. If the Colts had to win sure I might see it but it would have taken a miracle.
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