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Old 01-05-2008   #21
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Default Re: Running Game-O line or The Running Backs

If we don't get a LT in the draft, we can always wait until next year. Us Texans fans are used to it. It'll hell to try to fix all of our needs this year alone. Besides! I want a RB anyway (Stewart, most of all). A player we can be proud of at the end of the year for once besides DeMeco and Mario.

If we get one during the 2009 draft it'll be just in time for our deep playoff push, assuming we make the playoffs this upcoming year.
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I think other than the to's the offense is good enogh to score 24ppg with everyone healthy, but the defense needs work. no pressure aside from williams, can't really stop the run, and other than robinson and now bennett no one can cover. I think you have to be able to get heat on peyton with front four, stop addai with front 7 and cover by dropping 7 in coverage. sounds like a steep task, but that's what it is. Beat the Colts is the goal. Not play with them, but to win the division. Those who think u can hold thw ball and keep them off the field is fooling themselves. The defense should get the attention for the big goal. I like stewart,mcfadden, turner and the rest, but u got to stop peyton.
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Linemen are like foundation pieces & your best long term investments, pay em' well & treat em' right. But you can draft them in latter rounds like any other position. the important thing is adding talent & improving this team going forward. The 08 draft is loaded with tackles who will play in the NFL, this is a route most agree the Texans will choose but in the process can afford to trade down to still get one while adding another pick for a RB/CB.
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I'm sure that many folks had either listened to Kubiak or read the transcription.

I just want to mention the part about the O-line:

(on the stellar play of the offensive line this season) “Well, you know what, I’m going to start with their coach first, because I’m going to tell you what, John Benton, the job he did this year, I mean he is a – you know, when John came to me a couple of years ago, I never had so many calls from older coaches telling me how good they thought this young coach was. And when I brought him here, of course (Mike) Sherman was here to work with him at that spot, too, because I really didn’t know that much about John; I just really was going on reputation and the guys that were really backing him. And, man, he’s done a tremendous job. He’s bringing along young players. He’s great with the older guys.

“The key to the group is they were all out there. They played, for the most part, once we got settled down once we lost Steve (McKinney), the whole group played all year until of course Fred (Weary) had his situation. But Ephraim (Salaam), the way he played all year long. Chester (Pitts) was out there every snap, has become a better player in the last two years. Every time I’ve been around him, he’s gotten better. Mike Flanagan was healthy, played extremely well, held the group together. (Mike) Brisiel is a guy who got one opportunity and, boy, did he take advantage of it. He’s going to be hard to get out of there. And then I think Eric (Winston) has become a pro. I mean, the biggest compliment to pay Eric right now is we’re in the last week of the season, he had a back problem, he went out there and played every play yesterday. So he’s got it figured out. So do we need to get better there? Yes. And we’ve got some young guys to give us a chance to help us there. We need that young tackle, that left tackle that we think’s the answer for this organization for a long, long time and that Ephraim can help bring along with us. We’ve got to go find that answer. Of course (Rashad) Butler’s a great pickup by Rick (Smith). We’ll see where he’s at, but everybody in this league’s looking for somebody who can protect the quarterback’s blindside for many, many years, and we’re no different at this point.”

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(on if there is any chance that T Charles Spencer returns) “You know, I saw him up in the office this morning, and I was teasing him. I said, ‘Charlie, are you checking out?’ and I said, ‘I want to make sure you check in next year.’ He’s a great kid. He’s been through a hard deal. That’s a serious injury. I think I’ve said this to y’all, over the course of the past month, for the first time in the last year or so, I’ve had doctors and I have trainers telling me that they feel pretty good that he’s going to make it back and play again. That wasn’t the case for a long time, so I’m encouraged by that, and he is running on the treadmill with a certain percentage of his body weight, so that’s a positive. Now, when Charles makes the move to come back, do we put him at guard, do we get him off the edge, those are questions that we have to answer. But Charles should be in a football mode when we get to the offseason program, so that’s a positive thing.”

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Spencer at Right Guard would look very nice if he can't handle the Left Tackle spot.
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Default Re: Running Game-O line or The Running Backs

Instead of starting a new thread, I decided to pull up a old one since gibbs is in town.I know everyone thinks lt in the 1st but during gibbs reign in denver they didn't have any 1st rd draft picks. In fact, gibbs looks for a certain type of guy and he teaches them his way.
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It's the runningbacks......I have season tickets 20 rows off field level and there has been PLENTY of times where a back with speed would've took it to the house. Think of all the 10 to 15/20 yard runs Dayne has had recently.......give him more speed and it's a game breaking run.

Now insert Walker who is a back with average speed, but has excellent vision.......he has no problem with picking up positive yards....but he also doesn't have the speed to take one to the house.

Texans don't have the best run blocking line, but they are FAR from the worst, they just need a "FRANCHISE" back with SPEED.......something they've never had.

It's hard to argue these statements..

But I'm going to try anyway.

First of all, yes if we had running backs with great speed, we'd have scored on several long runs this year.

If we hadn't led the league in turnovers(none that I can recall from our running backs), we'd have led the league in scoring, no doubt in my mind.

So in my mind, that brings up the question, do we need a running back with break away speed?

I don't believe so. I'm not against drafting a running back in the first, I'm not against acquiring a RB with speed(Michael Bennette would have been nice), I just don't believe it is necessary to have a back with world class speed.

Terrell Davis is probably my favortie running back from the Denver system, and he didn't have break away speed.

If it were up to me, my first round pick would be BPA, with a strong lean towards the defensive side of the ball, because Kubiak's offense has been pretty good the past two years, with FA acquisitions, and mid round talent. We need to stop the mental errors.
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I think other than the to's the offense is good enogh to score 24ppg with everyone healthy, but the defense needs work. no pressure aside from williams, can't really stop the run, and other than robinson and now bennett no one can cover. I think you have to be able to get heat on peyton with front four, stop addai with front 7 and cover by dropping 7 in coverage. sounds like a steep task, but that's what it is. Beat the Colts is the goal. Not play with them, but to win the division. Those who think u can hold thw ball and keep them off the field is fooling themselves. The defense should get the attention for the big goal. I like stewart,mcfadden, turner and the rest, but u got to stop peyton.
If we could get away with 14 people on the field, Peyton would definitely have trouble.

& I'm with you on stopping Peyton, but we need to win our division. To do that, we've also got to beat Jacksonville & Tennessee. Those teams are built on Defense. Jacksonville, we can handle, but we stall, stumble, and fall on our face, facing Tennessee's defense.
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Default Re: Running Game-O line or The Running Backs

I would take o-line. You build the foundation of the house before you put in all the nice things. It's the support that makes the house strong. The o-line makes the offense strong. Isn't it ironic how some running backs are great where they are.... leave and sign a nice deal and don't do anything. Why is that do you think?
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It's hard to argue these statements..

But I'm going to try anyway.

First of all, yes if we had running backs with great speed, we'd have scored on several long runs this year.

If we hadn't led the league in turnovers(none that I can recall from our running backs), we'd have led the league in scoring, no doubt in my mind.

So in my mind, that brings up the question, do we need a running back with break away speed?

I don't believe so. I'm not against drafting a running back in the first, I'm not against acquiring a RB with speed(Michael Bennette would have been nice), I just don't believe it is necessary to have a back with world class speed.

Terrell Davis is probably my favortie running back from the Denver system, and he didn't have break away speed.

If it were up to me, my first round pick would be BPA, with a strong lean towards the defensive side of the ball, because Kubiak's offense has been pretty good the past two years, with FA acquisitions, and mid round talent. We need to stop the mental errors.
I agree with that, clearly they've done much better than in the past, but what's better? They've put more points on the board, but usually it comes from long play passes that get us a TD within a 2 minute drive, and then our defense is back on the field without resting. We need a LT and C that can help our current running backs average 4+ ypc so we can rely on the first downs from the running game and eat up some clock. I think with the acquisition of a CB and an OLB in FA or draft, we have a good enough defense to make plays and win games...we just need to keep them rested.

AND GET DUNTA the BEAST HEALTHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe we should buy Dunta a hyperbaric chamber like TO uses to recover from injuries
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Gotta go with o-line. We fix the OL and the problems that hurt us last year will be solved. Give the qb more time in the pocket and they wont force stupid passes that result in turnovers. Give the rb bigger holes to run through and we've got ourselves a redzone offense plus our defense can take a break before going out to defend a LONG field instead of a short one.
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I go with O-line. Fixing O-line help the run game and the passing game. Green, Dayne, Walker, Taylor, Leach is not the best stable of running backs but if our O-line can get the job done those backs can be effective. Besides, there are plenty of running backs that will be availble in the later rounds, and a few good ones always go undrafted (Willie Parker, Selvin Young, Earnest Graham, Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell, etc).
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I don't think that the O-line is that far away plus you guys forgetting Charles Spencer and Rashad Butler will both be healthy and ready to battle it for the OLT spot that E. Salaam held down pretty decent and we gave up only 22 sacks which was down from the previous year of 43 sacks.
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I look at the current free agent crop and think the texans can get one. I mean washington might cut portis since they are 22m over the cap. Tatum Bell didn't have a good yr in Detroit, but he had good success with Kubes in Denver. I like the idea of o-line, but they had a some holes to run thru and the qb didn't get hit a lot, but line can always get upgraded.
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I look at the current free agent crop and think the texans can get one. I mean washington might cut portis since they are 22m over the cap. Tatum Bell didn't have a good yr in Detroit, but he had good success with Kubes in Denver. I like the idea of o-line, but they had a some holes to run thru and the qb didn't get hit a lot, but line can always get upgraded.
I feel you man but if you look at the teams who were dominate they always drafted there skill position players except for the rams and steelers when they got jerome bettis & marshall faulk.
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It's the runningbacks......I have season tickets 20 rows off field level and there has been PLENTY of times where a back with speed would've took it to the house. Think of all the 10 to 15/20 yard runs Dayne has had recently.......give him more speed and it's a game breaking run.

Now insert Walker who is a back with average speed, but has excellent vision.......he has no problem with picking up positive yards....but he also doesn't have the speed to take one to the house.

Texans don't have the best run blocking line, but they are FAR from the worst, they just need a "FRANCHISE" back with SPEED.......something they've never had.
Jus going to point out the last two guys the get to that 2000 yard echelon weren't the homerun hitting RBs you're talking about.

No they're not the worst Run blocking line but the pass protection is also something of concern. The 22 sacks line is great but we had two Qb's who got the ball out quick and knew where to go. I'd also like to mention our WRs who were ready on hot routes and knew what to do. The offense looked a lot better but if we're wanting to make a playoff push bottom line is we're going to have to do better in our division. Protect the QB and get usa good foundation for our running game.

Oline in '08.
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Well all I know about it is last week when the Chragers needed it, their o-line took over the game in the fourth quarter. I'm just tring to remeber the last time this o-line took over a game in the fourth quarter and dominated anyone much less the colts. Build the franchise inide out. Fix the lines, then go after the rest after you have the lines sorted out. That's the only way it works.

And some of you I don't know what you were watching but every elite DT they came across, they got stuffed.
And the only guy, with all due respect to the posted Kubes' coach speak posted above me, to execute a block in space consistantly was Erick Winton. Don't take my word for it go back and watch the fricken tape...especailly yours Thunder Kiss. You J. A.
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I'm with ya TTP, except for the J.A. part. They improved some with a better QB behind them, and they'll probably improve more with Gibbs. But after he left Atlanta, their play sunk back into mediocrity. We'll probably have him for two years at most. Butler, White, Studdard, Fry, +/- Spencer could all develop under him, but more than likely they're back-up material. And not only about blocking in space, but Winston is the only guy with a definite long-term future on the line.
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Jus going to point out the last two guys the get to that 2000 yard echelon weren't the homerun hitting RBs you're talking about.

No they're not the worst Run blocking line but the pass protection is also something of concern. The 22 sacks line is great but we had two Qb's who got the ball out quick and knew where to go. I'd also like to mention our WRs who were ready on hot routes and knew what to do. The offense looked a lot better but if we're wanting to make a playoff push bottom line is we're going to have to do better in our division. Protect the QB and get usa good foundation for our running game.

Oline in '08.
Jamaal Lewis has fine speed for a 235 pound running back and we done have a 1,000 rusher on the roster so what are you talking about we need someone who is capable of accomplishing that.
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