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Old 12-31-2007   #1
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After 5 years of it seemingly being a revolving door with defenders flattening our QB, this year we have been pretty solid.

We have given up just 22 sacks which ranks as 6th in the NFL (Saints, Bengals, Browns, Packers, Patriots are ahead of us).

Obviosuly that doesn't tell the whole story of whether the QB was hurried and harrassed into getting rid of the ball or how good they were in the run game.
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We have given up just 22 sacks which ranks as 6th in the NFL (Saints, Bengals, Browns, Packers, Patriots are ahead of us).
Says it all !
This is such a dramatic improvement over most of the past years during the
David Carr era it should not go unnotticed and glad you included this stat.
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and Weary, Pitts and McKinney were all part of those dark times too
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Default Re: How do you rate the O-line?

I hate to hijack, but maybe I am not since it is related.

Yesterday, at the tailgate, I reiterated my stance on David Carr. thesis: it was not the line, it was Carr.

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  • astronomical sack numbers with Carr
  • remarkable improvement in sacks allowed in year 1 w/o Carr
  • Carr remains a sack monster in new digs, even after taking digs at his former team.

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  • umm, I was going to say "sample size", but we do have a sample size of 16 games, so without running a t-test I am going to go ahead a declare a stat-sig effect of the "Carr Factor". So this isn't really "against" after all.

ALL THAT SAID...we still need an OLT. Salaam did an outstanding job. Outstanding. Kudos, Ephraim. Now, hang with us to mentor a younger man and take on the swing tackle role.

There, now THAT'S a proper hijacking.
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Not as peachy as the previous posters. I'd say our o-line is fair at best. When matched against good d-lines, we tend to get pushed around. Case in point was our first meetings with Jacksonville and Tennessee which resulted in a whopping 59 & 39 yards of rushing. I remember Fat Albert having a huge day against us even though the stats done bear the results.

As far as the sacks are concerned, I'll give a lot of credit to coaching, pass schemes, and improved QB play. When you compare our two QB, you can tell the Matt is a much more conservative passer then Sage. For instance, Matt was sacked every 18 pass attempts, while Sage was only sacked every 40 passing attempts. Both are a vast improvement over David, who got sacked every 11 passing attempts. If Matt plays at QB the entire year, we end up with 29 - 30 sacks on the year. Still a vast improvement over previous years but middle of the pack in the NFL.

I will say the o-line did a tremendous job considering both guards and the center went down to injuries over the course of the year.

Can we improve in this area? Yes. Do we need to improve this area to take the next step up the playoff ladder? Yes. Other teams with the fewest sacks are Green Bay, New England, Indy, San Diego & Dallas.
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Default Re: How do you rate the O-line?

I give them a C . They only gave up 22 sacks but the QBS got hit alot and the running game was inconsistent .

The thing is how much upswing does this current group have ?

Oh yea ... until you got rid of Carr ... it was impossible to judge the OL .
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The OL has gone from awful to below-average to average. They are definitely improved with regard to pass blocking but our run blocking still sucks and we have WAY too many rushes for a loss or a short gain.

ES sucks in my book and I want him sent packing. That guy was always good for a minimum of 2 drive killing holding calls a game and he was routinely abused by average not to mention excellent edge rushers. Flanagan sucks as well and he will hopefully retire or get cut.

What the OL needs is an infusion of bona fide 1st round quality talent. The first round pick HAS to address either the C or LT position in my book. We need to address both since McKinney is below average and gets blown off the ball a ton when healthy. I would love for us to draft one in the first round and to land a top notch, young LT or C in free agency. We need to stop applying bandaids of journeymen or never-weres. Placing hope that Charles Spencer will be the solution should be avoided at all costs. Thankfully, Rick Smith last night on Inside the Huddle said that OLine will be a top priority especially LT.
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The OL has gone from awful to below-average to average. They are definitely improved with regard to pass blocking but our run blocking still sucks and we have WAY too many rushes for a loss or a short gain.

ES sucks in my book and I want him sent packing. That guy was always good for a minimum of 2 drive killing holding calls a game and he was routinely abused by average not to mention excellent edge rushers. Flanagan sucks as well and he will hopefully retire or get cut.

What the OL needs is an infusion of bona fide 1st round quality talent. The first round pick HAS to address either the C or LT position in my book. We need to address both since McKinney is below average and gets blown off the ball a ton when healthy. I would love for us to draft one in the first round and to land a top notch, young LT or C in free agency. We need to stop applying bandaids of journeymen or never-weres. Placing hope that Charles Spencer will be the solution should be avoided at all costs. Thankfully, Rick Smith last night on Inside the Huddle said that OLine will be a top priority especially LT.
The DLs in our conference alone will give you nightmares . The Jags and Titans bring massive DTs ( Haynesworth , Henderson , Stroud ) so you better have some interior linemen who can play .

Our conference also has some elite pass rushers from the edge ... KVB , Freeney , Mathis , Odom , and Spicer . You can't count on Salaam again for 16 games .
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ES sucks in my book and I want him sent packing. That guy was always good for a minimum of 2 drive killing holding calls a game and he was routinely abused by average not to mention excellent edge rushers.
Toss in a couple false starts a game, and you pretty much summed up his game.
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Can we improve in this area? Yes. Do we need to improve this area to take the next step up the playoff ladder? Yes. Other teams with the fewest sacks are Green Bay, New England, Indy, San Diego & Dallas.
We gave up less sacks than Indy this year, only by one mind
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Rick Smith (GM) said one of our top priorities in the off-season will be a LT. I completely agree.
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The DLs in our conference alone will give you nightmares . The Jags and Titans bring massive DTs ( Haynesworth , Henderson , Stroud ) so you better have some interior linemen who can play .
So true. And one position that seems to be glossed over is RG. Can Fred Weary make it back? Will he be recovered from his injury? Will the Texans re-sign him? Can Brisel, Studdard, or Frye be the answer? Or do the Texans look to free agency and/or the draft? This is a very important, and pressing, decision facing Smith & Kubiak.
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So true. And one position that seems to be glossed over is RG. Can Fred Weary make it back? Will he be recovered from his injury? Will the Texans re-sign him? Can Brisel, Studdard, or Frye be the answer? Or do the Texans look to free agency and/or the draft? This is a very important, and pressing, decision facing Smith & Kubiak.
Glad you brought this up, because at this point its not just a matter of a LT.. Center and RG need to be addressed as well.
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Glad you brought this up, because at this point its not just a matter of a LT.. Center and RG need to be addressed as well.
Maybe we draft a LT and Spencer becomes a 340 lb guard who was athletic enough to play LT .
He also has the nickname of Big Nasty ... that helps .
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Maybe we draft a LT and Spencer becomes a 340 lb guard who was athletic enough to play LT .
He also has the nickname of Big Nasty ... that helps .
WOW..... A 340lb, 'Big Nasty' guard........ I like it!!!
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Maybe we draft a LT and Spencer becomes a 340 lb guard who was athletic enough to play LT .
He also has the nickname of Big Nasty ... that helps .
I've been saying this for 2 years now.
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I posted this in another thread, but it applies to this thread as well. This isn't the full post, just the relevant parts.


I'm assuming we will transition more towards the typical Denver ZBS with Sherman's departure, meaning that we will be able to see more cutting like Walker showed. The lanes are there in the correct scheme, and speed will exploit them in a heartbeat.


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As for the OL, some of you are actually underrating the performance. I can't believe i just type that, but it is true. This is not the unit that regularly was dominated a couple of years back. Do the Texans need a long term answer at LT? Yes. Do we need to figure the center position past Steve McKinney? sure. Just saying, things aren't as bad up there as is often painted.

The performance hasn't been great honestly. I haven't watched all of the games due to being out of broadcast areas, but I've watched the ones I can. Decreasing the number of sacks is a positive, but not always indicitive of performance. Reducing sacks can be attributed to quicker routes, shorter drops, quick releases, a QB with cajones, a RB/FB picking up a rusher last second. What I'm saying is that reducing sacks isn't the end all to imporvement. The O-Line was getting pushed back repeatedly yesterday against Jacksonville's backups. Our starters were losing the battle at the POA to second stringers. We allowed penatration straight through the A and B gaps to the DT's. I really do feel that we need an upgrade at C first and foremost on the line.
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If Spencer recovers, that would be great. But, I don't think the Texans can count on him being the answer, be it at LT or RG. At least I hope they don't.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Spencer at RG, im not so sure he'll be up to snuff at LT after missing basically 2 years so RG might be better for him since he wouldn't have to handle edge rushers so much.
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I've been saying this for 2 years now.
We're kinda slow .

Actually we did a message board mock in 2006 and I drafted Spencer in the 3rd for the Packers . He was the 3rd rated guard .

For the record I drafted Ngata ( ahead of Mario , pre combine ) in the 1st and Ernie Sims in the 2nd .
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