Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-25-2007   #1
Hottoddie
Hall of Fame
 
Hottoddie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cypress
Age: 55
Posts: 1,376
Rep Power: 21867 Hottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respectedHottoddie is a quality contributor and well respected
Default JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

I was very disappointed when we traded him for Boulware earlier this year. Not because I had anything against Boulware, but because I truely felt that he was going to have a breakout type of year in our system. I am intrigued by Boulware & hope he gets a lot of playing time in the last game so that we can see if he's all he's cracked up to be.

But, back to Babin. I don't know what's happened in Seattle (2 games played). I don't believe he's been injured or anything & that makes me wonder if they may release him, or be willing to trade him for a late round pick (5th or 6th).

With the way he was playing in the preseason, I was starting to drool at the possibility of him playing on the right side, which would leave Mario on the left side where he does the most damage. Weaver hasn't done anything to impress me this year & he's the highest paid player on our roster.

I'd really like to bring him back if it's possible, or go out & get another stud DE so that we can put some consistent pressure from the opposite side of Mario. That should cause Okoye to get more sacks up the middle. Or, at least that's what I think it would do.

Anyone else wish we had Babin back?
__________________
Watt, Poe, Crick
Reed, Cushing, Mohamed, Clowney

The Texans Bull Rush
Welcome to "Sack City, USA"!
Hottoddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007   #2
PapaL
Loose Screw
 
PapaL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Maryland
Age: 34
Posts: 11,705
Rep Power: 122497 PapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respectedPapaL is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Not really.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Bills View Post
I can confidently say im smarter, better looking, and more successful than you will ever be.
PapaL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007   #3
Hagar
Drink up yall, its the Texans!
 
Hagar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Age: 48
Posts: 2,066
Rep Power: 8880 Hagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respectedHagar is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

I thought Babin had the best preseason of any of the DE. We may sign him again, but it won't be for very much money. Especially, when you consider Weaver's contract
Quote:
3/11/2006: Signed a five-year, $26.5 million contract. The deal included a $12.5 million signing bonus. 2007: $2.5 million, 2008-2009: $3.5 million, 2010: $4 million, 2011: Free Agent
Hagar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007   #4
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
 
TexanSam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Age: 27
Posts: 17,071
Rep Power: 29758 TexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respectedTexanSam is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hagar View Post
I thought Babin had the best preseason of any of the DE. We may sign him again, but it won't be for very much money. Especially, when you consider Weaver's contract
What a bust Weaver's been. The guy never pressures the QB
__________________

Thanks to Premier
TexanSam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007   #5
AnthonyE 
Lurker
 
AnthonyE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Huntsville/Houston
Section: 118 Row B
Age: 23
Posts: 2,201
Rep Power: 2030 AnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to AnthonyE
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

I want Babin.

I'm sick of Weaver's lack of pressure.
__________________
AnthonyE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007   #6
YoungTexanFan
Hall of Fame
 
YoungTexanFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,800
Rep Power: 1725 YoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respectedYoungTexanFan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

We all knew when we signed Weaver that he wasn't going to pressure the QB much. He does what he does, and at the time, he was the best our money could buy.
__________________
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we had when we created them.
YoungTexanFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007   #7
ArlingtonTexan
Moderator
 
ArlingtonTexan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Age: 47
Posts: 6,039
Rep Power: 73193 ArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respectedArlingtonTexan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

ArlingtonTexan is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored links
Old 12-25-2007   #8
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
 
Maddict5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,477
Rep Power: 5500 Maddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

this is kind of a tangent but i wished/hope somebody would ask gary what he thinks about how the weaver thing has played out and what he thinks the future will hold for him... granted gary wont tell all or anything but it would give us some idea about how he views him..


maybe boulware can become a decent olb?
Maddict5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-25-2007   #9
austintexanite
All Pro
 
austintexanite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Age: 32
Posts: 819
Rep Power: 8 austintexanite is a team player
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

I doubt that we bring Babin back, and we might let go of Weaver this offseason. I was never a big fan of Babin, and never understood why we drafted him, but I wasn't hurt or shocked that the team made a move with him back in August. We sould have resigned Peek in the offseason.
__________________
Defense in the name of the game.
austintexanite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2007   #10
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
 
MojoMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 9,864
Rep Power: 11949 MojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Maybe we should draft a defensive end with our first round draft pick. :-)
MojoMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2007   #11
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Katy, Texas
Age: 58
Posts: 6,644
Rep Power: 142 threetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respectedthreetoedpete is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by austintexanite View Post
I doubt that we bring Babin back, and we might let go of Weaver this offseason. I was never a big fan of Babin, and never understood why we drafted him, but I wasn't hurt or shocked that the team made a move with him back in August. We sould have resigned Peek in the offseason.
We drafted Jaon Babin because Don Cappers believed he was the next Kevin Green. And if he'd of even been close to that production...I would of been up set by the trade. The first words out of capper's mouth at the podium when they drafted JB was Kevin Green. He was dead wood. Trim it, move on.
__________________
"Everybody understands that the only way we're going to do it is by extremely hard work."
threetoedpete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2007   #12
eriadoc
Texan-American
 
eriadoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 18,258
Rep Power: 240894 eriadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respectederiadoc is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via ICQ to eriadoc Send a message via Yahoo to eriadoc
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Babin wasn't going to make much of an impact going to Seattle that late in the season. If he had gone to a poor team, or injuries had struck, then maybe there would have been an opportunity for him.

I think Babin would be able to fill a niche role for us as a pass rush specialist. The game is finally starting to click for Mario, so with him on one side and Babin on the other, I think the pass rush would be better. Weaver has demonstrated that he is incapable of taking advantage of having Mario opposite him. Kalu is the only other DE we have that generates a pass rush. Orr disappeared completely this year.

If we got Babin back, it would have to be a reasonable contract.
__________________
Anyone but Schaub.
eriadoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #13
AnthonyE 
Lurker
 
AnthonyE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Huntsville/Houston
Section: 118 Row B
Age: 23
Posts: 2,201
Rep Power: 2030 AnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respectedAnthonyE is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to AnthonyE
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MojoMan View Post
Maybe we should draft a defensive end with our first round draft pick. :-)
Beat me to it.
__________________
AnthonyE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #14
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
 
BattleRedToro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Age: 41
Posts: 2,432
Rep Power: 3990 BattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respectedBattleRedToro is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Don't forget about Earl Cochran. He has done a decent job of rushing the passer when he has been in.
__________________
"Hey fool, this ain't no football game!" - Mr. T
BattleRedToro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #15
kiwitexansfan
Site Contributor
 
kiwitexansfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Age: 37
Posts: 9,364
Rep Power: 90711 kiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MojoMan View Post
Maybe we should draft a defensive end with our first round draft pick. :-)
Call me crazy but if we can get a premier bookend for Mario I would snap him up. Pressure from the front four is crucial to a teams defensive success and everyone knows defense wins championships.
kiwitexansfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #16
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
 
Maddict5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,477
Rep Power: 5500 Maddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan View Post
Call me crazy but if we can get a premier bookend for Mario I would snap him up. Pressure from the front four is crucial to a teams defensive success and everyone knows defense wins championships.

agreed.. if gholston or campbell are there and they're BPA, take em... weaver has 1 sack over 2 yrs
Maddict5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #17
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
 
MojoMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 9,864
Rep Power: 11949 MojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respectedMojoMan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan View Post
Call me crazy but if we can get a premier bookend for Mario I would snap him up. Pressure from the front four is crucial to a teams defensive success and everyone knows defense wins championships.
I don't think you are crazy. If we can get a premier DE with the first round draft pick, we should definitely do it. However, if we can get a premier CB with the first pick, I think that is a higher priority, and will probably be the way we end up going.
MojoMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #18
kiwitexansfan
Site Contributor
 
kiwitexansfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Age: 37
Posts: 9,364
Rep Power: 90711 kiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respectedkiwitexansfan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MojoMan View Post
I don't think you are crazy. If we can get a premier DE with the first round draft pick, we should definitely do it. However, if we can get a premier CB with the first pick, I think that is a higher priority, and will probably be the way we end up going.
Just to play the devils advocate, premium DE are better value than premium CBs, just look at Denver, Bly and Bailey are an elite tandem and there defense is pretty bad because their line is rubbish (Dumervil the exception)
kiwitexansfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #19
Revolution
All Pro
 
Revolution's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 882
Rep Power: 304 Revolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respectedRevolution is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan View Post
Just to play the devils advocate, premium DE are better value than premium CBs, just look at Denver, Bly and Bailey are an elite tandem and there defense is pretty bad because their line is rubbish (Dumervil the exception)
Agreed. While we have improved our pass rush, we still need more improvement. With the improved pass rush at the end of the year, the line made the d-backs look much better. Then we didn't get much pressure on Peyton and our d-backs look below standard once again.
Revolution is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-27-2007   #20
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
 
Maddict5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,477
Rep Power: 5500 Maddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respectedMaddict5 is a quality contributor and well respected
Default Re: JASON BABIN: Bring him back?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan View Post
Just to play the devils advocate, premium DE are better value than premium CBs, just look at Denver, Bly and Bailey are an elite tandem and there defense is pretty bad because their line is rubbish (Dumervil the exception)

and to take it further- we have a much higher possibility of having a second good cb (dunta returning somewhere like he was and freddy) than two bookends (weaver/earl suddenly breaking out)
Maddict5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger