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**edo783** · 12-08-2004

It is also pretty likely that Payton will restructure if needed. They MAY not wind up in cap hell after all.

aj. · 12-08-2004

The only thing restructure gets you eventually is where McNair and the Titans are next year. In other words, make hay while the sun's shinin'

El Tejano · 12-09-2004

Well ESPN bottom line reported last night that the Colts signed Marvin Harrison to a 7 year deal and it sounds as if they organized his contract to where they would be able to sign Edge again.

TheOgre · 12-09-2004

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Again, think cap. The cap goes UP, Harrison's hit goes DOWN. Both headed in the right direction for the Colts.

Harrison's cap hit goes down for 2005 only from the sound of it. They are basically taking his 2005 salary and prorating it over years. That is great for 2005, but you eventually get stuck with that money. Sounds like as early as 2006 his salary will be higher than it is right now.

coltsrock · 12-09-2004

Actually, there are scheduled roster bonuses in 2005 AND 2006, both of which can be converted to signing bonuses and therefore prorated. 206 doesn't look abd either. As to restructring, consensus is that the cap is going to be going UP, and quite a bit given the new TV contracts. Couple that with dead money that should be rolling off the Colts cap, and things don't look too bad.

Sounds like the Colts will be able to help themselves also by cutting people scheduled to make quite a bit next year, or at least more than they're worth. Morris, Pollard, Scioli.

And even Vandy may be up for grabs. And before you say "that's nuts!", consider a couple of facts. Yes he is the most accurate kicker in the history of football. But his hit next year will be somewhere between $2.5M and $3M. Coupled with the fact that the Colts finally figured out how to score TDs in the red zone, where last year we relied on Vady a LOT more, and he becomes more expendable. And, the Colts just signed Grammatica. He's been down this year. Can he come back? Wo knows? But not a bad situation to be in.

Now, hopefully they can shore up the defense some!

TheOgre · 12-09-2004

Gramatica missed 7 of his last 9 kicks for the Bucs. It could be a slump, but do you want to risk it next year?

CrumplerFan · 12-09-2004

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Originally Posted by coltsrock

Coupled with the fact that the Colts finally figured out how to score TDs in the red zone, where last year we relied on Vady a LOT more, and he becomes more expendable. And, the Colts just signed Grammatica. He's been down this year. Can he come back? Wo knows? But not a bad situation to be in.

Now, hopefully they can shore up the defense some!

I wouldn't be sure that the Colts can repeat on THAT level again next year and without 30 point leads in the 3rd quarter a very good kicker could be worth his money. And at least some kind of defense would be nice also, i supppose.

I've heard that the Panthers and Pats were paying the No.1 and No.2 ranked salary for their top special teamer. They got them though in clutch time and got em some wins, so don't underestimate the worth of your kicker!

coltsrock · 12-09-2004

Ogre, you're absolutely correct! It may or may not be a slump. The nice thing is, the Colts have him for kickoffs only this year, and will have the remainder of this year and the offseason to evaluate.

And Crumpler, you're right too. It will be difficult to match what is going on this year. But last year, the Colts had a terrible record of scoring TDs in te red zone. They have changed strategies this year and will pass first, then look for the run. It seems to be working better for them. Given their personnel, and the fact that they're coming back pretty much intact for next year, it should be much better, and therefore put less emphasis on the kicker.

Having Vandy would be great, having a good corner would be better. It may become a tradeoff.

One note about this board: it is GREAT to talk football. Good board! Keep it up!

PlanoColt · 12-09-2004

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Originally Posted by coltsrock

Ogre, you're absolutely correct! It may or may not be a slump. The nice thing is, the Colts have him for kickoffs only this year, and will have the remainder of this year and the offseason to evaluate.

And Crumpler, you're right too. It will be difficult to match what is going on this year. But last year, the Colts had a terrible record of scoring TDs in te red zone. They have changed strategies this year and will pass first, then look for the run. It seems to be working better for them. Given their personnel, and the fact that they're coming back pretty much intact for next year, it should be much better, and therefore put less emphasis on the kicker.

Having Vandy would be great, having a good corner would be better. It may become a tradeoff.

One note about this board: it is GREAT to talk football. Good board! Keep it up!

vandy will definitely be gone next year. he's not happy with the colts taking away his kickoff duties, and he's just making too much money. he's gone.

so is marcus pollard. pollard is scheduled to make quite a bit next year, and we have drafted some other tight ends, so he will be released.

morris may be resigned at the vet minimum for depth. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him back in indy, especially considering that polian likes him.

marvin's cap hit will be low for at least 3 years. they don't structure new contracts to shoot up dramatically after only one year. it's just about like peyton's... his is fine for the first few years, and then it goes up alot. by then, it's time to restructure.

SandersIsTheFuture · 12-09-2004

Stop wasting your time. edgerin is going to get the franchise tag, and we do have enough money to take care of it. With marvin's new contract he is going to hit the cap less next year. So stop talking about miami (those are old, old rumors) and stop talking about picking him up in free agency. Like we would just let him go like that anyways. I can't believe you guys are serious about this. just like believing the colts ran up the score on you. you don't run the ball when there are eight in the box. You guys were still fighting in the game, so we don't let you start a comeback. You give us the pass and we take it. my god.

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12-08-2004	#82
aj. Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,769 Rep Power: 657	The only thing restructure gets you eventually is where McNair and the Titans are next year. In other words, make hay while the sun's shinin'

12-09-2004	#83
El Tejano Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,748 Rep Power: 6842	Well ESPN bottom line reported last night that the Colts signed Marvin Harrison to a 7 year deal and it sounds as if they organized his contract to where they would be able to sign Edge again.

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coltsrock Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 56 Posts: 21 Rep Power: 0	Actually, there are scheduled roster bonuses in 2005 AND 2006, both of which can be converted to signing bonuses and therefore prorated. 206 doesn't look abd either. As to restructring, consensus is that the cap is going to be going UP, and quite a bit given the new TV contracts. Couple that with dead money that should be rolling off the Colts cap, and things don't look too bad. Sounds like the Colts will be able to help themselves also by cutting people scheduled to make quite a bit next year, or at least more than they're worth. Morris, Pollard, Scioli. And even Vandy may be up for grabs. And before you say "that's nuts!", consider a couple of facts. Yes he is the most accurate kicker in the history of football. But his hit next year will be somewhere between $2.5M and $3M. Coupled with the fact that the Colts finally figured out how to score TDs in the red zone, where last year we relied on Vady a LOT more, and he becomes more expendable. And, the Colts just signed Grammatica. He's been down this year. Can he come back? Wo knows? But not a bad situation to be in. Now, hopefully they can shore up the defense some!

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TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	Gramatica missed 7 of his last 9 kicks for the Bucs. It could be a slump, but do you want to risk it next year?

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SandersIsTheFuture Rookie Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Stop wasting your time. edgerin is going to get the franchise tag, and we do have enough money to take care of it. With marvin's new contract he is going to hit the cap less next year. So stop talking about miami (those are old, old rumors) and stop talking about picking him up in free agency. Like we would just let him go like that anyways. I can't believe you guys are serious about this. just like believing the colts ran up the score on you. you don't run the ball when there are eight in the box. You guys were still fighting in the game, so we don't let you start a comeback. You give us the pass and we take it. my god.

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