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Old 11-26-2004   #21
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I'd take Farve straight up for Carr right now.
I would too ... in the early 90's. Favre was going to lead a franchise back to it's storied past and Carr was in high school.

In 2004, I take Carr and look forward to a 10 year future (not a guaranteed star, but that's what makes it exciting to watch).

Favre is like a Crossword puzzle with nearly all the answers written in. He may have won his last playoff game ... played in his last Superbowl.

Carr is like a crossword puzzle with only a couple of answers written in. He may win a few playoff games and may win a Superbowl.
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Old 11-26-2004   #22
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i think its one,,,am i not correct ? To lazy to see, well u cant compare them, farve went to an already legendary team, and carr came to a NEW franchise and got sacked more in one year than anyother player in history, cause we had no depth here for him, unlike farve had when he went to green bay .
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Old 11-26-2004   #23
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its easy to take someones whole career and then say "hey look at how bad he did in that game" he had a horrible playoff game against the rams, does that make him bad? if you can go back and pick out his worst playoff game and use it to justify why you dont want him for that one game, then i can pick out the superbowl against the pats to justify why i DO want him in that game.

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Old 11-27-2004   #24
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All that needs to be said is Brett Farve is a great QB now, and one of the greatest to play the game. David Carr is a young QB showing growth and potential to be great like Brett Farve.

*In my oppinion Brett Farve has fought through tough personal problems to maintain his level of playing. For instance, last year's game after his father died...I think that's why the media loves him bc of the cliche rise after a problem.
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Arrow Vinny ruffled a few feathers

last year and the first of this year for suggesting that Carr had not shown to be the next great QB in the NFL. At least that was the way I interpreted his posts at the time. While I quietly disagreed with him at the time I have now come around to his point of view. Carr hasn't distinguished himself yet. Do I think he will? Yes, or at least I hope so. Occasional great throws and plays does not translate into greatness. It's not all the O line.
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Brett Farve is one of my most respected players of all time. He is the epitome of a professional. I'd take him anyday.
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last year and the first of this year for suggesting that Carr had not shown to be the next great QB in the NFL. At least that was the way I interpreted his posts at the time. While I quietly disagreed with him at the time I have now come around to his point of view. Carr hasn't distinguished himself yet. Do I think he will? Yes, or at least I hope so. Occasional great throws and plays does not translate into greatness. It's not all the O line.
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I agree with you to a point. He definitely hasn't shown greatness yet, but he has shown improvement and potential to become great. The only question I have is will he get there? How much growth does he have left? If he is going to get there, he needs to get there soon because the Texans don't have 2 or 3 more seasons to keep losing this way.
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I agree with you to a point. He definitely hasn't shown greatness yet, but he has shown improvement and potential to become great. The only question I have is will he get there? How much growth does he have left? If he is going to get there, he needs to get there soon because the Texans don't have 2 or 3 more seasons to keep losing this way.
you need to surround him with talent. peyton didnt become this good because of talent alone. colts management gave him edge, and o-linemen. if you surround carr with great tools early, youll se his confidence skyrocket, and maybe he wouldnt be audibleing to runs late in the game instead of passing.

DD is a good back but i think carr makes him more than they feed off each other.
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I would too ... in the early 90's. Favre was going to lead a franchise back to it's storied past and Carr was in high school.

In 2004, I take Carr and look forward to a 10 year future (not a guaranteed star, but that's what makes it exciting to watch).
I'd swap them straight up right now. I'm not sure Carr will be nearly as good as Farve is right now at this stage in his career. I'd take 2-3 years of above average QB play then a decade of average play.

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Favre is like a Crossword puzzle with nearly all the answers written in. He may have won his last playoff game ... played in his last Superbowl.
That still doesn't make Carr better than Farve.

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Carr is like a crossword puzzle with only a couple of answers written in. He may win a few playoff games and may win a Superbowl.
And so may Trent Dilfer.
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I believe Farve has had the luxury of having a good O-line. I don't care who the QB is, if you don't have an O-line you will lool like S--t, you fill in the blanks.
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Let's pray that David is the next Favre, or Montana, or Staubach, or Marino...but more importantly, let's hope that the Texans mamagement is smart enough to keep him around.
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wow... i dont understand anyone willing to trade Carr for Favre. Favre is on the verge of retirement.. he doesnt even know if he is coming back next year.. not with his wife in her current condition.

a couple years of above average QB play is not going to get us to the superbowl anyway.. we do not have the personel yet.

and there is no garuntee that Carr will be average through his career, or well above average.. or below average. As he is.. his stats are better than alot of great QBs stats were at the beggining of their careers. So.. signs at this juncture are pointing to greatness.

I wouldnt trade him because there is a chance, and a fairly good one, that he will be an above average QB.. id rather take the risk on having an above average QB for 10 years.. than trade him for an above average one for 2 years.
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And so may Trent Dilfer.
I was with you till there Vinny... Dilfer? He's had a little longer to "fill in the squares"...so to speak.
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Brett Farve might be the 4th or 5th best ever....maybe. I'm not sure, but he's definitely not the best and I wouldn't trade him for a young up-and-comer, at his age, even if he was the very best ever. The guy's almost ready to retire.

He's got a lot of heart and his "want-to" might be the best ever, but the media has about 20 different QBs that they will call the best ever at any given time. I'll tell you what presently playing QB MIGHT actually be the best ever:

Payton Manning.
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yeah i agree the o-line is making Dom Davis look like a bust this season and the o-line is to inconsitent in pass protection ! I feel they will improve with this new scheme though !
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It's always nice when other teams fans make good comments about our players...

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