Keep/cut/trade/replace

[Grid]

Just looking at the ones you bolded..

C.C. Is definatly one of our best Safeties..why would you cut him?

Bruener is old.. I could see us cutting him if a replacement became available.

Clark has been starting at OLB for us for half the season, he hasnt lit the league on fire but our defense hasnt been bad with him in it..why wouldnt you AT LEAST keep him as depth?

Cut...Greenwood? What the hell have you been smoking? Why would you even consider such a thing? Have you bothered to watch a game since 2005? The guy has played in 13 games and has 100 tackles, a sack, and an INT. He is one of our best defensive players. Good LORD man.

Kalu..yah maybe.

Putzi..same as Bruener...but if Daniels goes down we would REALLY regret not having Putzier to back him up unless we got a good quality replacement.

Turk.. if we can find another quality punter..sure.

Walker.. of our 4 RBs..Walker is the second best behind Dayne. Yah...I dont think cutting him would be smart.

Weaver..and Kalu? I hope Cochran is feeling really freaking healthy next year. Weaver or Kalu..someone needs to stay.

So you want to cut Cook and Abbate? Cause we only need one FB? Dude.. did you watch the Bucs game? the FB is important to this offense. We need 2.

Glenn Earl gets the boot too huh? No way. Earl and Brown have both been quality safetys for us. They are 2nd stringers at the least.

Mathis..yah..get him out of here. We have plenty of good WRs and he has blown his chance 10 times over.

McKinney.. cutting McKinney is entirely dependent upon what we do this offseason. If we get a hold of a quality Center from another team..then cut him. If we draft a center, keep him..so the new Center can be eased in.


Simmons.. ok earl, simmons, and brown.. Demps HAS looked good, but I dont know that im ready to say he is capable of being our ENTIRE secondary.

[ObsiWan]

What I'd really like to see is who's contract is up after this year. That'll tell me who to re-sign and who to let walk.

Anyone got that info?? Is there already a thread on that someplace??

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Grid

Just looking at the ones you bolded..

C.C. Is definatly one of our best Safeties..why would you cut him?

Thats like saying Tito is the most well adjusted Jackson.

Originally Posted by Grid

Clark has been starting at OLB for us for half the season, he hasnt lit the league on fire but our defense hasnt been bad with him in it..why wouldnt you AT LEAST keep him as depth?

Clark had a few good games against his former teams but he is just alright, nothing to write home about. IMO he is less than average, he is dead weight, and needs to go.

Originally Posted by Grid

Cut...Greenwood? What the hell have you been smoking? Why would you even consider such a thing? Have you bothered to watch a game since 2005? The guy has played in 13 games and has 100 tackles, a sack, and an INT. He is one of our best defensive players. Good LORD man.

Jay Forman had a bunch of tackles too. He is always behind the play and his assigned areas in passing situations are as vulnerable as the French.

Originally Posted by Grid

Walker.. of our 4 RBs..Walker is the second best behind Dayne. Yah...I don't think cutting him would be smart.

Thats like saying Jermaine is the second most well adjusted Jackson.

Originally Posted by Grid

Weaver..and Kalu? I hope Cochran is feeling really freaking healthy next year. Weaver or Kalu..someone needs to stay.

One is to old and the other is unproductive and is playing in the wrong system. I would rather play Cochran and draft or pick up SFA then have either of them wearing steel blue, battle red, and liberty white.

Maybe trade weaver.

Originally Posted by Grid

So you want to cut Cook and Abbate? Cause we only need one FB? Dude.. did you watch the Bucs game? the FB is important to this offense. We need 2.

Then Taylor can play FB when he is not to busy being the 3rd string RB next year. Its a waist of a roster spot.

Originally Posted by Grid

Glenn Earl gets the boot too huh? No way. Earl and Brown have both been quality safetys for us. They are 2nd stringers at the least.

These guys have been the worst safety duo since Eric Brown and Matt Stevens.

Originally Posted by Grid

McKinney.. cutting McKinney is entirely dependent upon what we do this off season. If we get a hold of a quality Center from another team..then cut him. If we draft a center, keep him..so the new Center can be eased in.

We definitely need someone who is younger and more dependent. This is the second year in a row McKinney has been hurt.

Originally Posted by Grid

Simmons.. ok earl, simmons, and brown.. Demps HAS looked good, but I don't know that im ready to say he is capable of being our ENTIRE secondary.

We are the 19th ranked Defense. Better than last year, sure, but not good enough. We already know what we have in these guys and its not good enough. I would rather free up the roster spots and try out other kids.

The guys that I said to cut are unproductive or on the downside of there careers.

And our LB core is as horrible as our safeties. If you want to see what a real LB/Safety looks like watch Green Bay.

[drewmar74]

Originally Posted by Dread-Head-001

Things we can trade FOR Faggins:

2. tray of nachos, a hot dog and a drink.

I'll take number 2, just as long as the drink is a cold beer.

Thanks!

[AnthonyE]

50 Anderson, Charlie LB 6-4 243 Mississippi 4 - Keep, good special teams guy.

89 Anderson, David WR 5-10 194 Colorado State 2 - Cut, haven't seen much.

32 Bennett, Fred * CB 6-0 197 South Carolina 0 - Favorite rookie, keep.

71 Black, Jordan T 6-5 310 Notre Dame 4 - If he's gone, I won't miss him.

28 Boulware, Michael S 6-3 220 Florida State 4 - Cut.

7 Boyd, Shane QB 6-1 232 Kentucky 1 - Who? I still want Zebranksy.

65 Brisiel, Mike G 6-5 300 Colorado State 1 - A lot of promise. Maybe we can groom him?

24 Brown, C.C. S 6-0 208 Louisiana-Lafayette 3 - PA guy makes him sound really good, although he doesn't do much.

3 Brown, Kris K 5-11 206 Nebraska 9 - Probowler, obvious keep.

87 Bruener, Mark TE 6-4 260 Washington 13 Quality depth?

78 Butler, Rashad T 6-4 293 Miami (Fla.) 2 - Heard the name, don't remember who he is.

55 Clark, Danny LB 6-2 245 Illinois 8 - He's decent. Keep for depth, I guess.

96 Cochran, Earl DE 6-5 284 Alabama State 3 - One of my favorite players. I'm still mad at him for that roughing the kicker penalty against the bears in the preseason, though.

43 Cook, Jameel FB 5-10 237 Illinois 7 - Cut. I like the guy, but fumbles to easily.

40 Cox, Curome S 6-1 204 Maryland 3 - I've seen him make plays in special teams, but maybe cut.

81 Daniels, Owen TE 6-3 247 Wisconsin 2 * Future probowler (if he holds on to the ball.) (AGREE)

11 Davis, André WR 6-1 195 Virginia Tech 6 - Keep. Easy.

36 Dayne, Ron RB 5-10 245 Wisconsin 8 - Quality depth, nice runner to make defenses tired.

47 Demps, Will S 6-0 208 San Diego State 6 * He has shown he deserves a spot on the team and needs to get with the WR coach to learn to catch. (AGREE)

54 Diles, Zac * LB 6-0 240 Kansas State 0 - I make him good in madden. Keep considering he's a rook.

85 Dreessen, Joel TE 6-4 260 Colorado State 3 - Can hang on to the ball in tough situations.

33 Echemandu, Adimchinobi RB 5-10 226 California 4 - Cut. I appreciate what he did in SD, but neeahhh.

38 Faggins, Demarcus CB 5-10 178 Kansas State 6 - To be honest, I like the guy... I like his character. Good special teams guy and he made me famous via Battle Red Day picture. (LOL) However, cut because people don't like him.

58 Flanagan, Mike C 6-5 301 UCLA 12 - Ew, cut.

21 Fletcher, Jamar CB 5-10 180 Wisconsin 7 - Keep. Depth.

75 Frye, Brandon * T 6-4 302 Virginia Tech 0 - I remember the pick, but has he played?

56 Greenwood, Morlon LB 6-0 238 Syracuse 7 - Consistent. 100+ tackles per year. Good compliment to DeMeco.

57 Hodgdon, Drew C 6-3 309 Arizona State 3 - In limited action, he's been decent.

34 Hutchins, Von DB 5-9 181 Mississippi 4 - Keep. We're lucky to have him. We'd be in serious trouble if he weren't on the team.

80 Johnson, Andre WR 6-3 219 Miami (FL) 5 - Probowler. Keep, dur.

99 Johnson, Travis NT 6-3 305 Florida State 3 - Keep, he makes some good plays and he's fearless. He gets after QBs and all that jazz. Not afraid to fight.

12 Jones, Jacoby * WR 6-2 210 Lane College 0 - Love the guy, needs to work on his mindset in the offseason.

94 Kalu, N.D. DE 6-3 265 Rice 10 - Rice alum in the NFL? Keep.

53 Kershaw, William LB 6-3 240 Maryland 2 - Who?

44 Leach, Vonta FB 6-0 250 East Carolina 4 - Keep, def. Great player.

95 Maddox, Anthony DT 6-1 295 Delta State 4 - Keep, one of my favorites since last year's CLE game.

91 Okoye, Amobi * DT 6-2 302 Louisville 0 - If no rookie wall, he'd be droy.

48 Pittman, Bryan LS 6-3 270 Washington 5 - 1 bad snap in 1000. Keep.

69 Pitts, Chester G/T 6-3 320 San Diego State 6 - Keep, I like the guy.

88 Putzier, Jeb TE 6-4 256 Boise State 6 - Very good TE depth.

18 Rosenfels, Sage QB 6-4 225 Iowa State 7 - One of the best backups in the league. Keep or trade.

59 Ryans, DeMeco LB 6-2 236 Alabama 2 - Future Probowler, should be in this year. Keep.

74 Salaam, Ephraim T 6-7 300 San Diego State 10 - Keep for depth.

8 Schaub, Matt QB 6-5 237 Virginia 4 - If not injured, top 5 QB in the league. (in yards and all that. not TDs. :/)

64 Studdard, Kasey * G 6-2 303 Texas 0 - Keep.

1 Turk, Matt P 6-5 240 Wis.-Whitewater 14 - Keep, big upgrade from Stanley dispite inconsistency.

37 Walker, Darius * RB 5-11 205 Notre Dame 0 - Keep, shown promise.

83 Walter, Kevin WR 6-3 214 Eastern Michigan 5 - Good #2.

98 Weaver, Anthony DE 6-3 280 Notre Dame 6 - Cut. He's a great media-friendly player, but geez. I want a pass rusher. Maybe we should draft one in the 1st round next year?! O_O

90 Williams, Mario DE 6-7 291 N.C. State 2 - Had doubts at the beginning of the season, but he's really pulling it together. Should be in probowl.

73 Winston, Eric T 6-7 310 Miami (FL) 2 - Developed into good RT.

25 Wynn, Dexter DB 5-9 175 Colorado State 4 * don't see much out of him except special teams heh (AGREE)

92 Zgonina, Jeff DT 6-2 290 Purdue 14 - Has cool hair. Keep.


PRACTICE SQUAD

# Player Name Pos HT WT College Exp
79 Bulman, Tim DT 6-4 292 Boston College 3 - Who?
52 Castañeda, Eduardo * LB 6-2 243 ITESM 0 - Gave up big play in preseason. Mexican National player, and we're required to have at least one, so keep. :P
19 Hamilton, Derrick WR 6-4 207 Clemson 2 - Who?
42 Mitchell, Brandon * S 6-3 205 Ohio State University 0 - Familiar name, not familiar with play.

39 Roberson, Derrick * CB 5-10 175 Rutgers 0 - Keep.

66 Robinson, DelJuan * DT 6-3 296 Mississippi State 0 - Who?

68 Stevenson, Dan G 6-5 300 Notre Dame 2 - Who?
86 Williams, Harry WR 6-2 186 Tuskegee 2 - Who?

INJURED RESERVE

# Player Name Pos HT WT College Exp
47 Abbate, Jon * FB 5-11 245 Wake Forest 0 - Didn't even know he was on IR.

20 Alexander, Roc DB 5-10 190 Washington 4 - Keep. depth.

51 Barber, Shawn LB 6-2 240 Richmond 10 - Keep, depth.

26 Earl, Glenn SS 6-1 215 Notre Dame 4 Keep, maybe.

30 Green, Ahman RB 6-0 218 Nebraska 10 - CUT.

31 Harrison, Brandon * S 6-2 215 Stanford 0 - Keep.

62 Jackson, Scott G 6-4 300 Brigham Young 3 - Who?

97 Killings, Cedric DT 6-2 310 Carson-Newman 5 - Keep, its the least we can do.

13 Mathis, Jerome WR 5-11 191 Hampton 3 - ah, keep.

76 McKinney, Steve C 6-4 302 Texas A&M 10 - KEEP. Love this guy.

23 Robinson, Dunta CB 5-10 174 South Carolina 4 - Future probowler. Top 5 CB.

22 Simmons, Jason S/CB 5-9 198 Arizona State 10 - Decent guy, wouldn't matter either way.

27 Taylor, Chris RB 5-11 220 Indiana 1 - Keep. Depth.

70 Weary, Fred G 6-4 308 Tennessee 6 - Keep, I like the guy.

63 White, Chris C 6-2 285 Southern Miss. 2 - Hm?

PUP

# Player Name Pos HT WT College Exp
77 Spencer, Charles T 6-4 352 Pittsburgh 2 - COME BACK!

[ubecool454]

Andre I was almost with you until you said cut glen earl. I think we keep him and if he is not the starter , he provides depth. And greenwood...i don't think so. The guy has been pretty solid.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by threetoedpete

The hole in his leg bone ? Look there was something there. frustrating as it was to everyone...he was tring to play through a medical condition the doctors missed....several times. Not saying the guy is untouchable...just saying there was a medical reason. I'm not in the room but Kubiak doesn't strike me the kind of coach who likes to be teased. He is however the kind coach that lives and dies with his players if they are giving him a max effort. Emergance of Davis has left him vaneralble....vaneralbel not DOA.

I know. I was being sarcastic. I dont think that he is "phantom injuries". That is why I put some examles out there.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

Thats like saying Tito is the most well adjusted Jackson.

Every player on your team cant be a probowler. C.C. is young, and has shown ability. Cutting him would be idiotic.

Clark had a few good games against his former teams but he is just alright, nothing to write home about. IMO he is less than average, he is dead weight, and needs to go.

I disagree..I think he is decidedly average, and for that very reason he needs to be kept as depth.

Jay Forman had a bunch of tackles too. He is always behind the play and his assigned areas in passing situations are as vulnerable as the French.

This is just bull****. You are operating under the same assumptions that Texans fans had about him after his first year here. He has been one of our best LBs. According to ESPN, he has no tackles for a loss.. neither does DeMeco.. and Morlon is second on the team in tackles, behind only DeMeco.

Thats like saying Jermaine is the second most well adjusted Jackson.

Walker is a Rookie.. a rookie who has played well for us. We need to upgrade at the RB position.. but upgrading does not involve cutting everyone we have now.

One is to old and the other is unproductive and is playing in the wrong system. I would rather play Cochran and draft or pick up SFA then have either of them wearing steel blue, battle red, and liberty white.

One of our strengths on the Dline this year was the ability to trade out Dlinemen regularly without a significant dropoff in production. The dropoff in talent between Cochran, Weaver, and Kalu is negligible. The only way we could afford to lose both Weaver and Kalu is if we spent more money on the Dline, which we DO NOT need to be doing. If a good player for a good price becomes available to us, then by all means..grab him.. but I seriously DOUBT we are going to come get 2 players better than Weaver and Cochran without tieing up MORE money in the Dline.

Then Taylor can play FB when he is not to busy being the 3rd string RB next year. Its a waist of a roster spot.

Taylor? Are you kidding me? Heck...if all it takes to be a FB is the ability to run and 220+ lbs.. we have about 20 guys capable of playing FB for us :P.

Its only a "WASTE" of a roster spot if the position isnt important to you. FB is important to our offense and we need a skilled backup at the position.

These guys have been the worst safety duo since Eric Brown and Matt Stevens.

That is just false..dunno how else to say it. I find it incredible that after a couple years of having absolutely no pass rush..where even a superstar like Dunta struggles to make plays.. we see Brown and Earl put up solid seasons.. but when they get injured, suddenly they are horrible and need to be cut. And now we have a pass rush, but you dont care to keep them around to see what they can do. At the very least they should both be on the team as depth...I could see ONE of them getting cut if we focus on the secondary this offseason.

We definitely need someone who is younger and more dependent. This is the second year in a row McKinney has been hurt.

We need to address the Oline as much as possible this offseason. I would like to see 3-4 new legitimate olinemen on the team.

We are the 19th ranked Defense. Better than last year, sure, but not good enough. We already know what we have in these guys and its not good enough. I would rather free up the roster spots and try out other kids.

The guys that I said to cut are unproductive or on the downside of there careers.

And our LB core is as horrible as our safeties. If you want to see what a real LB/Safety looks like watch Green Bay.

Our 19th ranked defense has alot more to do with youth than talent. We are not untalented, we are just inconsistent. We can use upgrades in many spots, but the only players on our defense that need to be cut are the fringe players.. 3rd string and such. The players that have been starting for us this year, and last year, need to be kept.. either as starters in 2008, or depth.

As for being unproductive.. some people need to understand that every player on your team cant be a superstar. Not everyone is going to be a human highlight reel. Sometimes a good starter is one that just does their job and allows your superstars to excel.

I repeat..

we..cant...have...a...superstar...at...every...pos ition.

That applies to our LB core and our secondary. We COULD use one more OLB that is a bit more dominant out there.. but it is way down our list behind Oline, RB, and CB.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Andrew6

43 Cook, Jameel FB 5-10 237 Illinois 7 * still have a bad taste in my mouth from him last year


81 Daniels, Owen TE 6-3 247 Wisconsin 2 * Future probowler (if he holds on to the ball.)

Things that make you go, "hmm......"

[Texanmike02]

Originally Posted by Grid

I am still of the opinion that we should keep Faggins. Considering the injury issues that we have had, I am wary of getting rid of ANY of our secondary guys unless we can easily upgrade them.. and I dont think Faggins is half as bad as people here make him out to be.

As hard as I've been on him. I agree comletely. He's a HORRIBLE CB2 because of his lack of speed but as a dime back he's not bad at all. He is actually very good when the field is shortened (when we're defending the redzone) because he good until he has to match stride for stride for more than 20 or 30 yards.

Mike

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

These guys have been the worst safety duo since Eric Brown and Matt Stevens.


We are the 19th ranked Defense. Better than last year, sure, but not good enough. We already know what we have in these guys and its not good enough. I would rather free up the roster spots and try out other kids.

The guys that I said to cut are unproductive or on the downside of there careers.

And our LB core is as horrible as our safeties. If you want to see what a real LB/Safety looks like watch Green Bay.

I agree on the LBs, I love Demeco, but all three need to be upgraded. Moving Demeco to the weekside, & getting us a mean SOB in the middle would be my priority in the offseason..... defense wise.

I know with Demeco's Pro-Bowl selection, this won't be a popular opinion, & Greenwood had a great year. But we need better play from our LBs.

Of course, Richard Smith's reluctance to blitz may be clouding my judgement some.

Safety... I really like Glenn & CC Brown. Like Grid says, you can't get ProBowlers at every position, but I don't really think there are many Safeties that wil improve this team that much, over Glenn & Brown.

And in the event you find someone you'd like to start over them, they are at the very least second string. why get rid of them??

Demps & Von Hutchins make for good depth if you ask me. I even like the idea of using Von Hutchins as the nickel back, and keeping fletcher behind him.

IMHO, if we get better play from our LBs in pass coverage, our safeties will look like Pro-Bowlers.

One last thing. We've got to get a real CB. We can't be satisfied knowing Dunta is our best CB.

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by Grid;[B

806879]Just looking at the ones you bolded..[/b]

C.C. Is definatly one of our best Safeties..why would you cut him?

Bruener is old.. I could see us cutting him if a replacement became available.

Clark has been starting at OLB for us for half the season, he hasnt lit the league on fire but our defense hasnt been bad with him in it..why wouldnt you AT LEAST keep him as depth?

Cut...Greenwood? What the hell have you been smoking? Why would you even consider such a thing? Have you bothered to watch a game since 2005? The guy has played in 13 games and has 100 tackles, a sack, and an INT. He is one of our best defensive players. Good LORD man.

Kalu..yah maybe.

Putzi..same as Bruener...but if Daniels goes down we would REALLY regret not having Putzier to back him up unless we got a good quality replacement.

Turk.. if we can find another quality punter..sure.

Walker.. of our 4 RBs..Walker is the second best behind Dayne. Yah...I dont think cutting him would be smart.

Weaver..and Kalu? I hope Cochran is feeling really freaking healthy next year. Weaver or Kalu..someone needs to stay.

So you want to cut Cook and Abbate? Cause we only need one FB? Dude.. did you watch the Bucs game? the FB is important to this offense. We need 2.

Glenn Earl gets the boot too huh? No way. Earl and Brown have both been quality safetys for us. They are 2nd stringers at the least.

Mathis..yah..get him out of here. We have plenty of good WRs and he has blown his chance 10 times over.

McKinney.. cutting McKinney is entirely dependent upon what we do this offseason. If we get a hold of a quality Center from another team..then cut him. If we draft a center, keep him..so the new Center can be eased in.


Simmons.. ok earl, simmons, and brown.. Demps HAS looked good, but I dont know that im ready to say he is capable of being our ENTIRE secondary.

Please tell me that you are not talking to me.....I bolded the ones I want to keep, and you commented on those.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Texan

Please tell me that you are not talking to me.....I bolded the ones I want to keep, and you commented on those.

No I was talking to the original poster about the ones that you bolded.

[Hardcore Texan]

Okay, just checking, it seemed like we were pretty much in agreement, thanks!

[Fox]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I agree on the LBs, I love Demeco, but all three need to be upgraded. Moving Demeco to the weekside, & getting us a mean SOB in the middle would be my priority in the offseason..... defense wise.

I know with Demeco's Pro-Bowl selection, this won't be a popular opinion, & Greenwood had a great year. But we need better play from our LBs.

Of course, Richard Smith's reluctance to blitz may be clouding my judgement some.

Safety... I really like Glenn & CC Brown. Like Grid says, you can't get ProBowlers at every position, but I don't really think there are many Safeties that wil improve this team that much, over Glenn & Brown.

And in the event you find someone you'd like to start over them, they are at the very least second string. why get rid of them??

Demps & Von Hutchins make for good depth if you ask me. I even like the idea of using Von Hutchins as the nickel back, and keeping fletcher behind him.

IMHO, if we get better play from our LBs in pass coverage, our safeties will look like Pro-Bowlers.

One last thing. We've got to get a real CB. We can't be satisfied knowing Dunta is our best CB.

I agree with most of this but wanted to comment on two things I disagree with. I think we'd be better off looking for an upgrade at strong side LB than looking for an upgrade at MLB and pushing Demeco into Greenwood's spot. Demeco might make a great WLB, but he was the best MLB in the AFC this year, why screw with something that's working so well there. Greenwood's been solid most of the year, and even been a difference maker in a couple games.

The other thing is that at this point I'd like to leave Demps starting as our FS and keep CC at SS if we can keep them signed. CC's always been a guy who's debatably been a better SS than FS, and while Demps misses tackles occasionally and drops some easy picks, he makes so many plays that it balances out IMO.

At this point I like the idea of keeping Hutchins and Faggins on the roster as depth. Hutchins is great because he can be serviceable as a corner or a safety, and Faggins makes a pretty good dime back. We definitely need to pick up another corner to pair with Bennett, since we have no idea when and how Dunta's going to come back from his injury. Major props to Smith for finding Bennett in the 4th, he's been a pleasant surprise this year.

One other move I'd like to see on the defensive side of the ball would be for us to go get a pass rushing RE so we can move Williams to LE on a more regular basis. Williams looks better as a LE, IMO, and having a second pass rusher from the RE position would make Kubiak's "I want to generate all of my pass rush with only my front four," theory make more sense.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Fox

One other move I'd like to see on the defensive side of the ball would be for us to go get a pass rushing RE so we can move Williams to LE on a more regular basis. Williams looks better as a LE, IMO, and having a second pass rusher from the RE position would make Kubiak's "I want to generate all of my pass rush with only my front four," theory make more sense.

I was watching Tennessee play San Diego the other day(DVR), I know, I know, it's the tacks. But the front 4 of those two teams(I know SD plays a 3-4), were something to watch.

VandenBosh & Haynesworth were amazing. They would move KVB on either side, and sometimes, they'd put Haynesworth in at RDE sometimes, with Kyle at RDT. SanDiego didn't know which way was up. Shane Olivea & Marcus McNeil looked like scrubs.

Now, Shawn Merriman(who got stumped by a tight-end every now and then) moves from side to side of course, But he and Olshansky wrecked Havoc on the Tennesse line. & While Igor is a 3-4 DE, he lined up outside the OLT, while Merriman rushed the guard several times.

It was beautiful.

I think Mario can handle it. The moving around.

& if you want to pressure a QB with 4 downlinemen, this is the way you do it.

[brakos82]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Texan

sorry.....double post.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Grid

Every player on your team cant be a probowler. C.C. is young, and has shown ability. Cutting him would be idiotic.

I agree with that, but since you know this, what is the point in hanging onto them? I can throw a stick in this town two miles in any direction and hit at least 20 people who can play safety. I bet you if Smith had to he could pull a SFA and not experience a drop off in what CC Brown brings to the table. There is nothing special unless you count the fact that he is constantly out of position and bite on the run fake 90% of the time.

Originally Posted by Grid

I disagree..I think he is decidedly average, and for that very reason he needs to be kept as depth.

I disagree, Clark is below average. But in any case I would rather have young and average with upside than a guy who is going to be collecting a SS check next year. Clark's well is dry and this team needs to pursue a player who has upside if they are going to get better as a unit.

Originally Posted by Grid

This is just bull****. You are operating under the same assumptions that Texans fans had about him after his first year here. He has been one of our best LBs. According to ESPN, he has no tackles for a loss.. neither does DeMeco.. and Morlon is second on the team in tackles, behind only DeMeco.

No just watching the games and not reading the stats. Obviously his previous team felt the same way about him, along with the Texans and Raiders. Forman was terrible in coverage and didnt know how to wrap up.

Originally Posted by Grid

Walker is a Rookie.. a rookie who has played well for us. We need to upgrade at the RB position.. but upgrading does not involve cutting everyone we have now.

Walker is afraid to get hit and runs out of bounds rather than take on tacklers. Lundy was a better talent and I don't see Lundy anywhere near this team.

Originally Posted by Grid

One of our strengths on the Dline this year was the ability to trade out Dlinemen regularly without a significant drop off in production. The drop off in talent between Cochran, Weaver, and Kalu is negligible. The only way we could afford to lose both Weaver and Kalu is if we spent more money on the Dline, which we DO NOT need to be doing. If a good player for a good price becomes available to us, then by all means..grab him.. but I seriously DOUBT we are going to come get 2 players better than Weaver and Cochran without tieing up MORE money in the Dline.

Weaver is supposed to be and DE and he is not, he is not even close. He needs to get traded to a 34 defense. You really don't expect Kalu to come back for a 14th season do you? He had a strong start but age has dictated he slows down if he is going to make it through the NFL season. We don't need these older people that are going to slow down as the season wheres on if we are going to make the playoffs.

You don't need to spend alot of money on DLine to add depth. Maddox was a SFA. Or even better you can get a solid younger, cheaper DLineman in the second day of the draft.

Originally Posted by Grid

Taylor? Are you kidding me? Heck...if all it takes to be a FB is the ability to run and 220+ lbs.. we have about 20 guys capable of playing FB for us :P.

Its only a "WASTE" of a roster spot if the position isnt important to you. FB is important to our offense and we need a skilled backup at the position.

Taylor was practicing as a FB during training camp this year to have a chance to make the team. If you have not noticed Kubiak does not activate three RB's. So if Taylor is going to be activated for games he is going to have to play FB. Which means I get to cut Cook and Abante(sp) who was a converted LB.

Originally Posted by Grid

That is just false..dunno how else to say it. I find it incredible that after a couple years of having absolutely no pass rush..where even a superstar like Dunta struggles to make plays.. we see Brown and Earl put up solid seasons.. but when they get injured, suddenly they are horrible and need to be cut. And now we have a pass rush, but you don't care to keep them around to see what they can do. At the very least they should both be on the team as depth...I could see ONE of them getting cut if we focus on the secondary this offseason.

Brown and Earl put up average seasons. Demps is clearly and upgrade and was even made a Pro bowl alternate. Where is Brown?

I never liked Earl, and liked Brown less. So no, it wasn't just when they get hurt. They are not real safeties.

Demps, McCree, Atwater, Lynch, Williams, Dawkins, Harrison, Taylor, Chuck Cecil. Those guys are safeties. Thats how you play that position.

Originally Posted by Grid

We need to address the Oline as much as possible this offseason. I would like to see 3-4 new legitimate olinemen on the team.

Seriously, is it too much to ask to draft a LT in the first round?

Originally Posted by Grid

Our 19th ranked defense has alot more to do with youth than talent. We are not untalented, we are just inconsistent. We can use upgrades in many spots, but the only players on our defense that need to be cut are the fringe players.. 3rd string and such. The players that have been starting for us this year, and last year, need to be kept.. either as starters in 2008, or depth.

This defense is at a turning point. Williams is going to be in his third year, as well as Ryans, Amobi in his second, Travis his fourth, DRob his fifth, Bennett his second. All those guys, all of those guys are going to be pro bowlers.

Demps should be our starter next year and start to look for Browns replacement. We need two outside line backers. You like Greenwood, thats nifty. I think everyone should have at least one fan outside there mom. I think he would look real good in a Titan uniform. I would then throw at him all day long.

The point that I am trying to make is that if we are going to get better we keep searching for better players at every position and continue to up grade every chance we get and not let our personal emotions get involved. Personally, I am a fan of the Texans and not anyone player. The only player who's spot is cast in stone is AJ. The other 21 starters are expendable.

Originally Posted by Grid

As for being unproductive.. some people need to understand that every player on your team cant be a superstar. Not everyone is going to be a human highlight reel. Sometimes a good starter is one that just does their job and allows your superstars to excel.

I repeat..

we..cant...have...a...superstar...at...every...pos ition.

That applies to our LB core and our secondary. We COULD use one more OLB that is a bit more dominant out there.. but it is way down our list behind Oline, RB, and CB.

This entire statement is hog wash. Yes you can, and teams have done it. The Oilers has it on both side of the ball, the Cowboys just sent 11 guys to the pro bowl, look at the patriots, Indy, ect.

And before you say that they are special circumstances, I would like to point out that its not special, that is what playoff caliber teams look like. We just have not seen that here in Houston in 15 years. That was the last time a Houston NFL team went to the playoffs. 1993.

[Grid]

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Sending 11 players to the pro bowl is roughly HALF your team.

Possible Pro-Bowl Caliber players on the Texans:

Andre Johnson
Owen Daniels
Vonta Leach
Mario Williams
Dunta Robinson
Demeco Ryans
Amobi Okoye
Kris Brown
Fred Bennett
Matt Schaub

There is 10 guys that could play at a pro-bowl level with enough help around them.

Other possibilities: Kevin Walter, Travis Johnson, Will Demps, Jacoby Jones, Andre Davis, Chester Pitts, Charles Spencer, Eric Winston, Morlon Greenwood (yah), Michael Boulware

All of these players are guys that COULD feasibly be pro-bowl caliber players if our team is firing on all cylinders.

Having 11 pro-bowlers has nothing to do with having superstars at every position, and everything to do with having a good cohesive team that knows how to win.

If you expect us to have superstars all over the field before we are a playoff caliber team..its gonna be 2093 before we ever see a playoff berth..and thats only if they abolish the salary cap and McNair decides to throw money around like Dan Snyder.


And I dare you to throw a stick 2 miles in any direction and not hit a fat man, an old woman, or a child. 20 people within every 2 mile radius that are capable of playing Safety better than Brown/Earl? ..I should just stop typing right now because that is just ...i dont even know what it is. Impossible to comprehend..thats what it is.

Greenwoods previous team used him in an entirely different way. Even so.. he was a valuable part of thier defense even though he didnt put up the flashy stats. I will concede that a good OLB should be something we target (eventually) this offseason. But not to replace Greenwood. Greenwood needs to stay..he is solid.

As for Taylor...we were practicing ALOT of people at FB this offseason.. and Taylor didnt make the squad. What does that tell you? You seem to believe that football talent is something that everyone possesses in spades..except for the guys you want to cut. Well, im sorry to say that just throwing a jersey on someone and having them practice at a position does not make them a viable candidate for a spot on the 53 man roster.


And Walker ran out of bounds like...twice.. when he played. If you are going to criticize him, then you should pick at his lack of speed, power, and experience. He has vision and good decision making skills..other than that he is lackluster and I doubt he will ever be more than a 3rd string RB for us. But he is young and I could be wrong, and because of that..I dont want to get rid of him. Its fairly stupid to get rid of a player after one year unless they have shown that they cant play at an NFL level. Walker definatly hasnt shown that.

Demps, McCree, Atwater, Lynch, Williams, Dawkins, Harrison, Taylor, Chuck Cecil. Those guys are safeties. Thats how you play that position.

Demps has been good for one game. A bit of caution may be in order before you cut ever other safety we have. And id like to add Sanchez, Gutierrez, Myers, Black, Rosewood, Smith, Carter, Nguyen, Singh, and McMillavich to your list of superstar safetys. Those are all the people within stick throwing distance of myself right now.. take your pick.

[Rex King]

I agree with your main premise, but disagree with this bit:

Originally Posted by Grid

....As for Taylor...we were practicing ALOT of people at FB this offseason.. and Taylor didnt make the squad. What does that tell you?

Didn't Taylor get injured before cuts? I think trying him at FB had more to do with the staff's lack of confidence in Cook.

Originally Posted by Grid

Demps has been good for one game. A bit of caution may be in order before you cut ever other safety we have. And id like to add Sanchez, Gutierrez, Myers, Black, Rosewood, Smith, Carter, Nguyen, Singh, and McMillavich to your list of superstar safetys. Those are all the people within stick throwing distance of myself right now.. take your pick.

It's more than one game. He's played well since he's taken over the starting role. If healthy, I'd keep Earl and Simmons because we can't upgrade every position this offseason, or have superstars everywhere as you say, but those two are big question marks to me because of their injuries.