Just the facts ma'am

[Grid]

The way I see it.. we have probably got 3 starters from this last draft. Babin, Robinson, and Earl(if earl continues to work out)

Next year.. im assuming we will get at least 1 more defensive starter, and probably a couple of good backups (probably linemen) That depends on how we draft though. Who knows what could fall to us in the second round.

if that is the case.. then by year 5 with we will have 4-5 drafted starters on defense.. as well as 2 more FA periods. Our Oline should be set.. our WR corps should be as well.. and that will be about the time that we have to start signing our franchise players and letting others go.

SO.. year 5 will be it. That is the end of the 5 year plan.. if we do not show ourselves to be a top 10 team that year.. then it will be time to start looking at new coaches.. and a different way of doing things.

[utahmark]

Originally Posted by Grid

The way I see it.. we have probably got 3 starters from this last draft. Babin, Robinson, and Earl(if earl continues to work out)

Next year.. im assuming we will get at least 1 more defensive starter, and probably a couple of good backups (probably linemen) That depends on how we draft though. Who knows what could fall to us in the second round.

if that is the case.. then by year 5 with we will have 4-5 drafted starters on defense.. as well as 2 more FA periods. Our Oline should be set.. our WR corps should be as well.. and that will be about the time that we have to start signing our franchise players and letting others go.

SO.. year 5 will be it. That is the end of the 5 year plan.. if we do not show ourselves to be a top 10 team that year.. then it will be time to start looking at new coaches.. and a different way of doing things.

i agree with almost everything you have said. scarry! the only thing i dont agree with is that playing not to lose stuff. none of those teams you mentioned have david carr and johnson. and we also dont have the defense that those teams have. capers needs to play to his teams strenghts right now. not practice his philosiphy for the future. this team cant play like that and win. and even later on when we do have the defensive talent i dont think we should ever play not to lose. those defensive teams had to play like that because of their talent on offense. plus some teams you failed to mention dallas, sf, gb, denver. had pretty good offenses and won super bowls.

[Wolf]

the ole defensive "playing not to lose" drives me nuts.. I remember when Jeff Fisher started with the Oilers/Titans... I hated that stuff. Defense wins championships and it will take some time to get that side of the ball built up.

[keyfro]

here's my take on it...if your playing not to lose your going to lose...i don't care what you say if your gonna try to only win by a field goal your going to lose almost everytime...the zone blocking scheme only works when you have the right personal to run it...right now we don't...zone blocking scheme generally works with lighter faster lineman...we have heavier slower lineman

as for the 3-4 defense it works give it time and it'll work just look at the steelers...as for davis he's not working...we need to get a game changer at runningback...someone who can move the chains even if the o-line isn't working...ever back is gonna have a few bad games but this has been ridiculous...as for capers himself...he's a good coach but maybe we need a change in offensive coordination...we need better lineman better backs and a better defensive personal