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Old 12-08-2004   #21
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My point was not to suggest we should "trade-up" in the draft. My point is
that since we have no realistic chance of getting in the playoffs, there is
really a disincentive to win more games this year since it would only cost
us in the draft order. For those who say we won 4 in '02, 5 last year and therefor if we win 6 games this year we are making progress - I think that's
silly. To me there is virtually no between winning 5 games and 6 or 7 if you
miss the playoffs except you get a better draft pick with the < W-L.
and where did i say anything about trading up in the draft? i understood you the first time. i am saying that the Texans (as well as most teams) don't care about draft order as much as fans do. The number 12 or 13 pick in the draft, especially this year's draft, is not going to yield a significantly better player than the number 18 or 19. I am willing to bet that Casserly would not know the Texans draft position if you just blindly asked him right now.

The Texans need to learn how to win football games. i am willing to "sacrifice' 6 to 8 spots in the draft to see the texans win 2 more games.
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Old 12-08-2004   #22
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and where did i say anything about trading up in the draft? i understood you the first time. i am saying that the Texans (as well as most teams) don't care about draft order as much as fans do. The number 12 or 13 pick in the draft, especially this year's draft, is not going to yield a significantly better player than the number 18 or 19.
Looks like I'm the one who misunderstood, my mistake. But I do think the difference in value between say the 12 pick & 19 pick is significant. Just
look at what we had to fork over in this years college draft to move from a high second to low first to get Babin, and I think the price would be > to go
from 19 to 12 in the top round. So somebody clearly thinks its important whether one drafts at 12 or 19. But these days there's so much parity, a
5 win team last year is in the playoffs this year (or maybe goes all the way
to the SB), or from playoffs one year to 4-5 wins next year. I think teams and
their individual players start seasons each year anew and aren't that concerned about previous seasons. I just don't think that over the long run, it makes any difference whether or not we win any more games this year.
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For those who say we won 4 in '02, 5 last year and therefor if we win 6 games this year we are making progress - I think that's
silly. To me there is virtually no between winning 5 games and 6 or 7 if you
miss the playoffs except you get a better draft pick with the < W-L.
The team needs to prove they can win in December. We have an abysmal record towards the end of the year. I also disagree with your entire idea of tanking the season. That just sends the wrong message going into the offseason.
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Well we are currently tied for 11 with Detroit. They are always around the same pick as us in the draft. If we lose to the Bears then we could got to 8 or 9 considering Tampa play New Orleans and on of the two would have a better record than us and we would move ahead of the Bears. I do not want to see the Texans lose, but this is the only positive I have gotten from all the losing so I will focus on this until they start winning.
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We will beat Cleveland the last game of the year. I am fairly certain of that. That gets us to 6-8. I think we probably lose to Jacksonville and that puts us at 6-9. I give us a slight edge against the Bears. So we should have a good idea whether we will be 6-10 or 7-9 on Monday.
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THROUGH WEEK 14 BASED ON FULL 16 GAME SCHEDULE
pick team wins strength of schedule

1 49ERS 2 0.476
2 DOLPHINS 2 0.558
3 BROWNS 3 0.591
4 CARDINALS 4 0.462
5 TITANS 4 0.500
6 REDSKINS 4 0.505
7 RAIDERS 4 0.563
8 BUCCANEERS 5 0.466
9 BEARS 5 0.476
10 SAINTS 5 0.481
11 LIONS 5 0.510
12 TEXANS 5 0.510
13 COWBOYS 5 0.519
14 CHARGERS from GIANTS 5 0.529
15 CHIEFS 5 0.558
16 RAMS 6 0.490
17 PANTHERS 6 0.510
18 BENGALS 6 0.548
19 SEAHAWKS 7 0.442
20 VIKINGS 7 0.481
21 COWBOYS from BILLS 7 0.505
22 JAGUARS 7 0.524
23 BRONCOS 8 0.471
24 PACKERS 8 0.471
25 RAVENS 8 0.543
26 JETS 9 0.505
27 FALCONS 10 0.423
28 CHARGERS 10 0.471
29 COLTS 10 0.500
30 EAGLES 12 0.452
31 STEELERS 12 0.486
32 PATRIOTS 12 0.495
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THROUGH WEEK 14 BASED ON FULL 16 GAME SCHEDULE
pick team wins strength of schedule

1 49ERS 2 0.476
2 DOLPHINS 2 0.558
3 BROWNS 3 0.591
4 CARDINALS 4 0.462
5 TITANS 4 0.500
6 REDSKINS 4 0.505
7 RAIDERS 4 0.563
8 BUCCANEERS 5 0.466
9 BEARS 5 0.476
10 SAINTS 5 0.481
11 LIONS 5 0.510
12 TEXANS 5 0.510
13 COWBOYS 5 0.519
14 CHARGERS from GIANTS 5 0.529
15 CHIEFS 5 0.558
16 RAMS 6 0.490
17 PANTHERS 6 0.510
18 BENGALS 6 0.548
19 SEAHAWKS 7 0.442
20 VIKINGS 7 0.481
21 COWBOYS from BILLS 7 0.505
22 JAGUARS 7 0.524
23 BRONCOS 8 0.471
24 PACKERS 8 0.471
25 RAVENS 8 0.543
26 JETS 9 0.505
27 FALCONS 10 0.423
28 CHARGERS 10 0.471
29 COLTS 10 0.500
30 EAGLES 12 0.452
31 STEELERS 12 0.486
32 PATRIOTS 12 0.495
Wouldn't the we be 11 and the Lions be 12, due to the fact that they beat us?
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After today we are now drafting #17.

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