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**TEXANS84** · 11-10-2004

Anybody think that if Utah goes undefeated they will land the Fiesta bowl? Currently they are #7 in the BCS...they need to be in the top 6 to guarantee a lock in a BCS Bowl.

All I know is that I'm tired of seeing the same old teams play (ie-Miami, Florida, Tennessee, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, etc...) and I want to see what this high-powered offense can do against a quality top 10 big name school. I think with a quarterback like Alex Smith who leads in passing and is a Heisman candidate can take them over the top.

What do you guys think?

WWJD · 11-10-2004

I have a few thoughts about Utah.

a) Too bad A & M can't play them now. It would be a different game.

b) I only saw that one game against A & M who put up no resistance to them at all but yea they look like a really good team.

c) Would be good for their program if they got a nice bowl bid. It is nice to see different teams participating.

dan7 · 11-10-2004

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Originally Posted by TEXANS84

Anybody think that if Utah goes undefeated they will land the Fiesta bowl? Currently they are #7 in the BCS...they need to be in the top 6 to guarantee a lock in a BCS Bowl.

All I know is that I'm tired of seeing the same old teams play (ie-Miami, Florida, Tennessee, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, etc...) and I want to see what this high-powered offense can do against a quality top 10 big name school. I think with a quarterback like Alex Smith who leads in passing and is a Heisman candidate can take them over the top.

What do you guys think?

Let's see how Utah's season plays out....if they're still undefeated at the end....then by all means give them a BCS Bowl berth.

**jgl35** · 11-10-2004

I made a point to stay uplate last Sat. to see Utah. Game started here at 10:30 EST. Yes, Utah belongs. Their offence can score on anybody. But since alot of money is on the line, politics will kill them. Big 12, Big 10, SEC, whoever swing a lot of weight. What is it, 12M for a major bowl for the school?

Blake · 11-10-2004

Im not sure they deserve a bowl bid. The teams they have played against so far are a combined 28 and 44.

Now im not saying that all teams play hard opponents. But at least 1 big game would help your cause.

You want to play crappy teams? Fine, but dont expect a bowl game in the place of a team who played, OU, or Auburn, or USC, or FSU.

Now aTm is a good team, but they were playing in Utah, and it was the first game of the season.

Utah deserves to be in the top 20. But bowl game? come on..

wags · 11-10-2004

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Originally Posted by jgl35

What is it, 12M for a major bowl for the school?

The money is generally divided up between each team in the conference. So if Texas goes to a bowl that pays 5 million, the Big 12 gets that money and splits it up between schools in the conference.

LiveForTheGame · 11-10-2004

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Originally Posted by DC_ROCK

Now im not saying that all teams play hard opponents. But at least 1 big game would help your cause.

You want to play crappy teams? Fine, but dont expect a bowl game in the place of a team who played, OU, or Auburn, or USC, or FSU.

Now aTm is a good team, but they were playing in Utah, and it was the first game of the season.

Utah opened the season against a hard opponent. They beat aTm badly even if it was the first game of the season. It was the first game for both teams so they both are going to have their problems. Also, aTm lost to Baylor of all schools...Utah hasn't lost a game yet...and definitely not to a terrible team like the Aggies did. Besides...all you can do is play who is on your schedule and in your conference.

wags · 11-10-2004

I wish the NCAA would cut out the computer rankings. Jeff Sagarin kills me, and my Georgia Bulldogs. In Sagarins computer poll he has both A&M and Oklahoma State ranked ahead of Georgia. Georgia has one loss and A&M and Oklahoma State have each lost three times. Why do we involve these damn computers in this?

jnhcarrfans · 11-10-2004

We need a playoff system thats all there is to it.undefined

**TEXANS84** · 11-10-2004

When you also think about it...Utah has not lost a game since first part of LAST season.
This season they beat:
Texas A&M 41-21
at Arizona 23-6
at Utah St. 48-6
Air Force 49-35
at New Mexico 28-7
North Carolina 48-46 (the team that took out #3 Miami)
UNLV 63-28
at San Diego St. 51-28
Colorado St. 63-31

If you look at their last 5 games, they are averaging 56.25 points per game....pretty impressive.

Huge · 11-11-2004

For those that feel Utah should be in a BCS game (if they win out), don't you feel the same for Boise State?

I don't feel Utah deserves to be in a BCS game because of their undefeated record. If you give their schedule to the other teams in the top 15, they'd all be undefeated as well.

But I don't like the guarantees that are tied in either. Just imagine:

As bad as the Big12 North has been this year, they'll have one team that will be one win away (winning the Big12 Championship game) from playing in a BCS bowl game.

The ACC (no team in the top ten) and Big East (one team in the top 10...barely) will each have a representative.

These are the bowl matchups I'd like to see (and think would be fair):

Orange:
USC vs Auburn

Rose:
Wisconsin vs Cal

Fiesta:
Oklahoma vs Utah

Sugar:
Texas vs Georgia

TheOgre · 11-11-2004

It will be a travesty if OU loses to the Big 12 North division again. It will prevent OU from going to the BCS Championship and it will keep Texas from a BCS game.

**TEXANS84** · 11-11-2004

I wouldn't mind seeing Utah (high powered offense) going against Wisconsin (elite defense) in a bowl game.

Blake · 11-11-2004

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Originally Posted by TEXANS84

I wouldn't mind seeing Utah (high powered offense) going against Wisconsin (elite defense) in a bowl game.

Defense wins championships. I dont think I would waste a team like Wisconsin to see how Utah would do. I want to see:

Orange: USC vs. Oklahoma (Who is #1? Lets find out.)

Sugar: Auburn vs. Wisconsin (Wow, could be the best bowl game this year.)

Fiesta: Texas vs. California (Best run game vs. complete team.)

Rose: Michigan vs. Georgia (Two strong teams, who have something to prove.)

I have no idea how the rankings go, but this, im my eyes, would make for good games.

MikeMc · 11-21-2004

Rose Bowl would have Pac-10 & Big 10 champs.....no mater what, unless one of those is playing in the Championship game. It was a deal made when the BCS started, in order to get the Rose Bowl to commit.

Boise St. is not ranked high enough, therefore they do not get a shot at the BCS. Utah is highly ranked, and should get the BCS bid. If they do not, I will never watch a College Football game on TV EVER!!

Remember when people were saying that Oregon St did not deserve a BCS Bowl game? They ended up playing Notre Dame and beat the HOLY Crud out of them! I think it was in 2000/2001.

A playoff is the only thing that makes sense to most fans...not the "5th" game scenario, because that just proves the BCS system is flawed. A true 16 team playoff system, 8 automatic bids (Conf champs) and 8 "At-large" bids. It works very well on the other Division levels, and would work on the D1-A level. Although "cash is king" and therefore it will never happen. All arguements against a playoff are ridiculous!

Huge · 11-21-2004

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Boise St. is not ranked high enough, therefore they do not get a shot at the BCS. Utah is highly ranked, and should get the BCS bid. If they do not, I will never watch a College Football game on TV EVER!!

With Michigan and Florida State both losing yesterday, if Texas loses to A&M next week, Boise St. would move up to 6th (they'll be 7th tomorrow when the new rankings come out) and would get an invite.

Here's how I think it shapes up...

Orange:
USC (BCS #1) vs OU (BCS #2)
Sugar - Miami (ACC Champ) vs Auburn (SEC Champ)
Rose - Cal (BCS at large #1) vs Michigan (Big-10 Champ)
Fiesta - Utah (BCS at large #2) vs Boston College (Big East Champ)

**Lucky** · 11-21-2004

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Originally Posted by Huge

Fiesta - Utah (BCS at large #2) vs Boston College (Big East Champ)

I can see the Fiesta Bowl officials crying in their Tostitos. And those things are too salty, already.

TexansCanes · 11-21-2004

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A playoff is the only thing that makes sense to most fans...not the "5th" game scenario, because that just proves the BCS system is flawed. A true 16 team playoff system, 8 automatic bids (Conf champs) and 8 "At-large" bids. It works very well on the other Division levels, and would work on the D1-A level. Although "cash is king" and therefore it will never happen. All arguements against a playoff are ridiculous!

i have a couple of questions, how do you pick the eight at-large bids? who are the eight confrences, the big 6, but who else the mountain west, mac, wac, who? how do you take into account conferences that play championship games?

**ArlingtonTexan** · 11-21-2004

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Originally Posted by TexansCanes

i have a couple of questions, how do you pick the eight at-large bids? who are the eight confrences, the big 6, but who else the mountain west, mac, wac, who? how do you take into account conferences that play championship games?

Honestly I would do a 16 team with each conference getting a bid..4 or 5 spots are left for the at large bids. Most years North Texas will be number 16 with little chance to beat number one, but remember they have the leading rusher in college football and anything could happen.

TexansCanes · 11-21-2004

ok, how do you determine who those teams are? if you use the polls their will still be controversy.

11-10-2004	#5
Blake MMQB Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spring Section: 551/B Posts: 9,595 Rep Power: 14926	Im not sure they deserve a bowl bid. The teams they have played against so far are a combined 28 and 44. Now im not saying that all teams play hard opponents. But at least 1 big game would help your cause. You want to play crappy teams? Fine, but dont expect a bowl game in the place of a team who played, OU, or Auburn, or USC, or FSU. Now aTm is a good team, but they were playing in Utah, and it was the first game of the season. Utah deserves to be in the top 20. But bowl game? come on.. __________________

11-10-2004	#8
wags Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: TX and FL Age: 34 Posts: 1,601 Rep Power: 22	I wish the NCAA would cut out the computer rankings. Jeff Sagarin kills me, and my Georgia Bulldogs. In Sagarins computer poll he has both A&M and Oklahoma State ranked ahead of Georgia. Georgia has one loss and A&M and Oklahoma State have each lost three times. Why do we involve these damn computers in this? __________________ A good argument is always spoiled by someone who knows what they're talking about

11-21-2004	#15
MikeMc All Pro Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Spring, TX Age: 36 Posts: 767 Rep Power: 9	Rose Bowl would have Pac-10 & Big 10 champs.....no mater what, unless one of those is playing in the Championship game. It was a deal made when the BCS started, in order to get the Rose Bowl to commit. Boise St. is not ranked high enough, therefore they do not get a shot at the BCS. Utah is highly ranked, and should get the BCS bid. If they do not, I will never watch a College Football game on TV EVER!! Remember when people were saying that Oregon St did not deserve a BCS Bowl game? They ended up playing Notre Dame and beat the HOLY Crud out of them! I think it was in 2000/2001. A playoff is the only thing that makes sense to most fans...not the "5th" game scenario, because that just proves the BCS system is flawed. A true 16 team playoff system, 8 automatic bids (Conf champs) and 8 "At-large" bids. It works very well on the other Division levels, and would work on the D1-A level. Although "cash is king" and therefore it will never happen. All arguements against a playoff are ridiculous! __________________ If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

11-21-2004	#20
TexansCanes All Pro Join Date: May 2004 Location: LSU Age: 26 Posts: 600 Rep Power: 10	ok, how do you determine who those teams are? if you use the polls their will still be controversy. __________________ "He's a bad dude, I'd like to have him in our arsenal. I'd never run the ball."

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11-10-2004	#1
TEXANS84 Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Woodlands, TX Age: 35 Posts: 7,447 Rep Power: 3116	University of Utah Anybody think that if Utah goes undefeated they will land the Fiesta bowl? Currently they are #7 in the BCS...they need to be in the top 6 to guarantee a lock in a BCS Bowl. All I know is that I'm tired of seeing the same old teams play (ie-Miami, Florida, Tennessee, USC, Oklahoma, Texas, etc...) and I want to see what this high-powered offense can do against a quality top 10 big name school. I think with a quarterback like Alex Smith who leads in passing and is a Heisman candidate can take them over the top. What do you guys think?

11-10-2004	#2
WWJD Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,260 Rep Power: 374	I have a few thoughts about Utah. a) Too bad A & M can't play them now. It would be a different game. b) I only saw that one game against A & M who put up no resistance to them at all but yea they look like a really good team. c) Would be good for their program if they got a nice bowl bid. It is nice to see different teams participating.

11-10-2004	#4
jgl35 Site Contributor Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: West Chester,Pa. Age: 68 Posts: 551 Rep Power: 1758	I made a point to stay uplate last Sat. to see Utah. Game started here at 10:30 EST. Yes, Utah belongs. Their offence can score on anybody. But since alot of money is on the line, politics will kill them. Big 12, Big 10, SEC, whoever swing a lot of weight. What is it, 12M for a major bowl for the school?

11-10-2004	#9
jnhcarrfans Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 45 Rep Power: 0	We need a playoff system thats all there is to it.undefined

11-11-2004	#11
Huge Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Out yonder way... Age: 41 Posts: 2,386 Rep Power: 15	For those that feel Utah should be in a BCS game (if they win out), don't you feel the same for Boise State? I don't feel Utah deserves to be in a BCS game because of their undefeated record. If you give their schedule to the other teams in the top 15, they'd all be undefeated as well. But I don't like the guarantees that are tied in either. Just imagine: As bad as the Big12 North has been this year, they'll have one team that will be one win away (winning the Big12 Championship game) from playing in a BCS bowl game. The ACC (no team in the top ten) and Big East (one team in the top 10...barely) will each have a representative. These are the bowl matchups I'd like to see (and think would be fair): Orange: USC vs Auburn Rose: Wisconsin vs Cal Fiesta: Oklahoma vs Utah Sugar: Texas vs Georgia

11-11-2004	#12
TheOgre Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back in the cellar again Posts: 3,739 Rep Power: 16	It will be a travesty if OU loses to the Big 12 North division again. It will prevent OU from going to the BCS Championship and it will keep Texas from a BCS game.

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