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Old 12-24-2007   #161
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Yep, Sage's failure today is a direct reflection on Matt Schaubs ability to QB and all that

And you're usually a good poster here madd what the heck?

Seriously, everybody crying about Matt Schaub today better get real comfortable with the idea of him being under center to start next year. Get your hankies ready, cause some of you guys are probably going to need em.
Nobody's crying over MS and I'm sure you're right about him being under center next year. Do you think MS would've fared better against the Colts? Facts are facts, and he ain't not no better than SR and I think they are both quality backup QB's and NEITHER has done ANYTHING to show us differently.
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Old 12-25-2007   #162
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Nobody's crying over MS and I'm sure you're right about him being under center next year. Do you think MS would've fared better against the Colts? Facts are facts, and he ain't not no better than SR and I think they are both quality backup QB's and NEITHER has done ANYTHING to show us differently.
C'mon man - you can put some MORE negatives in that "sentence"...I have faith in ya'!
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Sage for president crew?


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Figures.

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I didn't see the game yesterday, but I'm still of the opinion Sage is one of the best backup QBs in the league, and I'm damn glad we have him. Despite what happened, I still say that. There are very few teams in the NFL that have as good a backup as Sage.
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I didn't see the game yesterday, but I'm still of the opinion Sage is one of the best backup QBs in the league, and I'm damn glad we have him. Despite what happened, I still say that. There are very few teams in the NFL that have as good a backup as Sage.
Agreed. Sage is one of the best backup QBs in the league.... but he isn't a starter.
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Agreed. Sage is one of the best backup QBs in the league.... but he isn't a starter.

I bet he could start for Miami right now.
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Agreed. Sage is one of the best backup QBs in the league.... but he isn't a starter.
Schaub hasn't really proven that he is a fulltime starter yet either... staying healthy would be a good start.
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I bet he could start for Miami right now.

He started for them 2 years ago. Last six games they won back to back.
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Sage is pretty much an interception machine, and he's always been that for the most part.

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You're right his INT to TD ratio is almost as bad as Schaub's........

IMO, it appears that we have 2 quality backup QB's and no quality NFL starter.


Let's see. Three interceptions.

1. tipped ball
2. bad throw
3. receiver forgot it was his job to catch the damned thing and by failing to catch it made it an easy pic for the receiver.

Sorry by my count only ONE of those counts against the man. But refresh my memory if you will. Was it Sage that let Indy score seemingly everytime they had the ball from the 2nd quarter on? Did he go out there and play strong saftey and let them run rimshot over him? I forget.
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Figures.

I would rather stand my ground and get my nose rubbed in it than fold like a cheap card table because Sage had ONE bad game. Kindly explain how Sage's bad game lead to the Colt's offense scoring so often. Did Sage rub off on the defense as well? I stand by my original statement.
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The thing is, in the Sage's three wins, the Defense, and the team as a whole played great. Mario Williams started pressuring the QB, the DBs started covering, the whole shebang. I'm not saying that Sage didn't do a great job QBing, but he had a LOT of help from the defense.

Now, when the Texans lose, many point fingers at the Texan D and claim that that is the reason why they lost. The simple fact is that the Texan D is also why Sage may have won those past three games.

And then you claim that only one of Sage's INTs are his fault...well, I can assure you that many of Schaub's INTs were flukes as well. So are many of his injuries, but some just can't see the reason in that and label him as "fragile", even though he's been taking cheap shots and freak landings that would injure many other QBs.

The fact of the matter is, that although the Defense didn't play well, neither did Sage. Don't defend him, he wasn't able to keep a drive going, and that wore out the defense, creating a chain reaction that just kept going and destroyed the Texans this week. We'll see how Sage performs against the Jags, but so far, Sage has beaten 3 mediocre teams and lost against one good one. Next week is a huge test to see if Sage really is as amazing as some make him out to be
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The thing is, in the Sage's three wins, the Defense, and the team as a whole played great. Mario Williams started pressuring the QB, the DBs started covering, the whole shebang. I'm not saying that Sage didn't do a great job QBing, but he had a LOT of help from the defense.

Now, when the Texans lose, many point fingers at the Texan D and claim that that is the reason why they lost. The simple fact is that the Texan D is also why Sage may have won those past three games.

And then you claim that only one of Sage's INTs are his fault...well, I can assure you that many of Schaub's INTs were flukes as well. So are many of his injuries, but some just can't see the reason in that and label him as "fragile", even though he's been taking cheap shots and freak landings that would injure many other QBs.

The fact of the matter is, that although the Defense didn't play well, neither did Sage. Don't defend him, he wasn't able to keep a drive going, and that wore out the defense, creating a chain reaction that just kept going and destroyed the Texans this week. We'll see how Sage performs against the Jags, but so far, Sage has beaten 3 mediocre teams and lost against one good one. Next week is a huge test to see if Sage really is as amazing as some make him out to be
The defense played better because they were off the field less because the offense held the ball longer.
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I think what we're looking at right now is that we have a very good backup who shouldn't be a starter, and a younger guy who still needs to get better. Schaub isn't much better, if at all, than Sage, but he is younger and we have to hope he will get better with experience. I think he will.

The question of who is better is kind of a moot point, because neither one is really starter quality right now; but, Schaub has to start somewhere.
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I think what we're looking at right now is that we have a very good backup who shouldn't be a starter, and a younger guy who still needs to get better. Schaub isn't much better, if at all, than Sage, but he is younger and we have to hope he will get better with experience. I think he will.

The question of who is better is kind of a moot point, because neither one is really starter quality right now; but, Schaub has to start somewhere.
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Let's see. Three interceptions.

1. tipped ball
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3. receiver forgot it was his job to catch the damned thing and by failing to catch it made it an easy pic for the receiver.

Sorry by my count only ONE of those counts against the man. But refresh my memory if you will. Was it Sage that let Indy score seemingly everytime they had the ball from the 2nd quarter on? Did he go out there and play strong saftey and let them run rimshot over him? I forget.
Cause none of MS's INTs were tipped balls or bad receiver plays

Why does Sage get the benefit of the doubt while MS gets hated on for the same things?
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Well, if you want to play the "was the interception the QB's fault" game, let's play.

Schaub's picks (9 total):

1. Kansas City--1st quarter, no score. Schaub threw a pass up for grabs into the endzone. AJ didn't really make a play for it, but not a wise choice by Matt.

2. Indy--3rd quarter, down 17-10. Pass tipped by receiver deep in our territory. If you are of the school of thought that a tipped pass absolves a QB of responsibility, this one is not Matt's fault.

3. Indy--3rd quarter, down 24-10. Bad read at a terrible time--JJ had just returned a punt inside the Indy 20, but Matt forced one.

4. Mia--1st quarter, up 7-3. I don't recall this pick, but I'll presume it was Matt's fault.

5. at Jax--4th quarter, down 30-10. Davis gets outfought on a slant pattern in garbage time.

6/7: at SD; first was with the score 21-3 (returned for a TD) while the second was at 28-3. Both bad passes, but we were getting routed as it was.

8: at Clev--2nd quarter, up 7-0. Ball bounced off of Daniels hands. This one was on Daniels, who was in the midst of a terrible game. This pick turned the game around completely.

9: at Clev--4th quarter (8 minutes left), down 20-10. Schaub tried to hit AJ on 2nd and 22 for a first down. Not a good play (or throw), but in that situation--down 10, 8 minutes left, deep in your own territory--you have to throw for the sticks.

So, of those 9 picks, 2 (#2 and #8) were off the hands of Matt's intended targets and another 2 (#1 and #5) were when his WRs made minimal effort for the ball. Of the other 5 picks, 4 (#3, #6, #7 and #9) came when we were trailing by at least 10 points and pressing to get back into the game.

Not that I believe any interception should be ignored; I'm not of the tipped-passes-are-forgiven school except in the most blatant of bad plays by a WR. But if the pro-Sagers are going to alibi him for such passes, then Matt should get that same acknowledgment.

EDIT: The above notwithstanding, I'm very happy we have Sage as our backup. As any fantasy football owner knows, competent QBs are in incredibly short supply in the NFL these days. So I'm not prepared to say that Sage isn't a starter-caliber QB: sadly, I can't name 32 QBs who are superior to Sage. But Schaub is one QB who is (in my acknowledgedly biased opinion). The only question in my mind is whether Matt can make it through a full season--freak hits and all--in one piece. Until that question is answered, we need a solid backup, and Sage fits that bill.

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Agreed. Sage is one of the best backup QBs in the league.... but he isn't a{The} starter.
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Maybe we can package these two guys for one "his highness":

Schaub and Rosenfels have combined for 25 TD's; 23 INT's with 4,030 yards
Here's the breakdown:

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M. Schaub QB 289 192 2241 66.4 9 9 87.2
S. Rosenfels QB 222 143 1556 64.4 14 11 85.3

**excuse the formatting above. I've messed with it and nothing works to space it out. I'm in the car on a Verizon access card and it's slow right now so I got tired of waiting for the page to load...ha ha

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