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Old 12-12-2007   #1
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http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league
Based on standings as of Dec 12th.

Scenario 1: New England (49rs) has 3rd pick in first and Houston the 15th. Our team can move up or down a spot or two but premise should be the same. IMO, there is only one "franchise type" player that will go above us and fits our team holes. That player is McFadden. New England does not need a back but is projected by most to select him. Would a RB such as Stewart interest them enough at 15 to trade down with us? Our cupboards are bare, but would our 15th, a fourth round this year and a third next season plus LB Zach Diles be enough to get the NE pick? (Diles is good but he will not beat or Demeco). Imagine our current team with IR players that are expected back and a D. McFadden. Our defense seems to keep getting better and an RB that can keep the D off the field can only make that side of the ball better. Really, do any of our current backs excite you? NE could get an RB to fit with what they now have and pay much less and get two extra selections that are significant the way NE drafts. Diles is going to be a very good player. We still would have a third to select an OLT (Alex Boone?) and the loss of a fourth in 09 draft does not bother me.

Scenario #2: Hell no to #1! Even with a 15th pick we can hold our breath (we are getting pretty good at that) and hope a Clady or Stewart will be there. Or maybe we can go CB. Clady seems to be moving up (and out of range)and Stewart will either be the 2nd best back (especially for the difference in $) or at least be the best back on our team anyway.

Scenario #3: First round 15th pick can still get us a second round pick and the 18th pick from Arizona. Clady a true LT will be gone and probably Sam Baker, at least two of the CBs, probably Phillips (if you like him) and good chance Stewart also.

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We aren't trading up to the 3rd pick. We can't afford to give up any picks and we can't afford to pay a running back $60 million
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Well I'm on the record that Dallas is going to do it. New England needs DBs and Line backers and that is where those things live, at the bottom of the first. If they squeeze a few picks out of J.J. along the way, so much the better. So how many draft picks stuck with New England last year ? I think it was exactly two. They just dumped the DT a couple of weeks ago.

I think McFaddin is worth the money. I don't think we have the ammo to go up and get him. If they are dead set on RB, I think beerlovers guy Stewart would do nicley. I also think in day two you can get a guy a little less of an athlete but a similar player in Cory Boyd of South Carolina.

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See that missing 2005...that's what'll push him down the boards. Dunno what it was but I hope it was fun...cost him about 2 million to 400K.

also notice his recieving Stats....that's what'll get him drafted. Going to have to put him on Meds is all.
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Well I'm on the record that Dallas is going to do it. New England needs DBs and Line backers and that is where those things live, at the bottom of the first. If they squeeze a few picks out of J.J. along the way, so much the better. So how many draft picks stuck with New England last year ? I think it was exactly two. They just dumped the DT a couple of weeds ago.

I think McFaddin is worth the money. I don't think we have the ammo to go up and get him. If they are dead set on RB, I think beerlovers guy Stewart would do nicley. I also think in day two you can get a guy a little less of an athlete but a simalar player in Cory Boyd of South Carolina.
I'm interested in knowing why everybody is so sure that Dallas is making this move. What's your reasoning?
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lol what did zac diles do?
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Well I'm on the record that Dallas is going to do it. New England needs DBs and Line backers and that is where those things live, at the bottom of the first. If they squeeze a few picks out of J.J. along the way, so much the better. So how many draft picks stuck with New England last year ? I think it was exactly two. They just dumped the DT a couple of weeks ago.

I think McFaddin is worth the money. I don't think we have the ammo to go up and get him. If they are dead set on RB, I think beerlovers guy Stewart would do nicley. I also think in day two you can get a guy a little less of an athlete but a similar player in Cory Boyd of South Carolina.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player...layerId=146825

See that missing 2005...that's what'll push him down the boards. Dunno what it was but I hope it was fun...cost him about 2 million to 400K.

also notice his recieving Stats....that's what'll get him drafted. Going to have to put him on Meds is all.
I dunno, can't seem to improve past that 5.0 rushing avg. (sarcasm) Thanks for that info was not aware of this guy. Would a 4th or 5th round get him?

Do you think Arizona would be interested in a trade up with us and would they give a 2nd to move up a projected 3-5 spots? I would trade with them for an extra third round, would you?
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lol what did zac diles do?
He has been compared very favorably to Ryans and projection or potential is what most of NFL or most sports for that matter is about. He is cheap and has the size. With the coaching of NE he could develop into a starter and NE is deep enough that he does not have to do it all at once. He is part of a deal due to who is in front of him.
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I dunno, can't seem to improve past that 5.0 rushing avg. (sarcasm) Thanks for that info was not aware of this guy. Would a 4th or 5th round get him?

Do you think Arizona would be interested in a trade up with us and would they give a 2nd to move up a projected 3-5 spots? I would trade with them for an extra third round, would you?
I think so...I also am not an SEC or a gamecocks insider. So...I dunno what it was he did. Bad enough to get the boot for a season. Now our owner...I would bet money..he knows.

Arizona could get a DE or replace the linebcker...I'm assuming they'll tag the safty...there's some prety good LBs on the board...couple of USC guys...not out of sight for sure. The question is why would they want to move up ? We're heading for the 14-18 range our selves unless Salaam goes down. They'd have to be in love with someone aweful bad to part with a day one pick.

Only two prime DTs on the board...now that's a thingy if your having trouble with the rush teams might move up for. Only two of them then everybody else. Someone might get nervous on the USC DT.
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Tony Dorsett, Hershal Walker, And Emmit Smith. The line is in place. The kid is the hotest thing out of arkansas since fourteen year old girls could leagaly wed. J.J. Gets to splash with the home state guy. And finally, he's the best player on the board. He's worth the ammo they give up. Only thing missing out of the triangle is the stud , with all due respect to Marion Barber, RB. They get that mule behind that line and with those recievers and that QB, they will dominate...I post dominate The NFC for eight years. No one will touch them. I'm also thinking they got Julius Jones to throw into the package. They only need one third down back with McFaddin. And what is new England going to do with another power back when they need defensive guys and they already have Maroney ? They don't rush the ball thirty per cent of the time. Why would they ? they got the #1 or #2 QB in the league...they don't need to set up nothing. Why would they pay two premere backs when they barly use the one they got ? I know the mockers got it locked where he should go...but I mean com'on it makes no fricken sense what so ever. It would be the first stupid thing I've seen the wolf in New England ever do. Belichick doesn't do stupid things.
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the problem is that Dallas doesn't have the ammunition at all to make that move. wishful thinking by Cowboys fans before the season when it looked like Cleveland would pick top 3.
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He has been compared very favorably to Ryans and projection or potential is what most of NFL or most sports for that matter is about. He is cheap and has the size. With the coaching of NE he could develop into a starter and NE is deep enough that he does not have to do it all at once. He is part of a deal due to who is in front of him.
If he is compared favorable to Ryans, why dont we use him as an OLB? The idea being, 2 Mecos> 1 Meco
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the problem is that Dallas doesn't have the ammunition at all to make that move. wishful thinking by Cowboys fans before the season when it looked like Cleveland would pick top 3.
So what does NE do if they do not trade with Dallas? Trade down for whatever and go with a defensive player? Why should one SB contender help another?
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So what does NE do if they do not trade with Dallas? Trade down for whatever and go with a defensive player? Why should one SB contender help another?
Players and that is the point. He gets reload that defense. I'm figuring in back to back years. Without over paying for guys. That's what they do.

We'll See Kast...I'm believeing it's a buyers market this year. Phins don't take him...New England will make damn sure the jets don't get him. Believe anything believe that one. McFaddin's in the nfc, Patties get to dominate that division as long as the prety boy wants to play. and there won't be anything the division can do about it for a while. I think the value of screwing with the Jets and Phins is priceless to them.


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If he is compared favorable to Ryans, why dont we use him as an OLB? The idea being, 2 Mecos> 1 Meco
Too much of a good thing?

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Man, I've posted that exact thing. Maybe they like Barber more than I do. If they were going to let Barber go in off season and move ZIles over, I'd be for that but seems like he would have gotten some playing time there by now. Size alone DIles is almost the same as Demeco and some say hits as hard and is very smart.
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If they are dead set on RB, I think beerlovers guy Stewart would do nicley. I also think in day two you can get a guy a little less of an athlete but a similar player in Cory Boyd of South Carolina.
I'd rather have Michael Turner.
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I'd rather have Michael Turner.
I'd rather not over pay for any running back myself.
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Man, I've posted that exact thing. Maybe they like Barber more than I do. If they were going to let Barber go in off season and move ZIles over, I'd be for that but seems like he would have gotten some playing time there by now. Size alone DIles is almost the same as Demeco and some say hits as hard and is very smart.
Because this HC doesnot throw veterans under the bus. Unless they're dead or indisposed by inury...they go over the rookie. I would of had Flanagan out of town three weeks ago.
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I'd rather not over pay for any running back myself.
But you're willing to trade up and sign an unproven RB who will cost at least 2x what Turner will?
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Because this HC doesnot throw veterans under the bus. Unless they're dead or indisposed by inury...they go over the rookie. I would of had Flanagan out of town three weeks ago.
Think this policy will change with SHerman leaving?
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