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Old 12-12-2007   #41
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Running back is one of the most translatable positions from college to the pros. It is not realistic to assume that a back taken in the top 5 or 10 slots of the first round of the draft is not expected to be an immediate contribution or impact. For that position, it doesn't make sense to wait 3 years for productivity, particularly considering the short shelf life of running backs in the NFL.

Also per the new CBA , the max deal lengths for first rounders in the top half is 6 years and 5 years in the lower half. There aren't any 3 year deals for first round picks.
Yes but I was talking about smaller backs...they seemingly take longer to develop. Look at Westbrook and Barber. Bush is pretty small compared to other players in the NFL. Still though he came in the league making plays.

Lets not try to make it seem like the guy just sucks because he doesn't play on our team. Bush has HAD a immediate impact it just hasn't been running the ball, if he continues to play like he does now I think he will be considered a bust. Because he could run the ball at USC because he was just that much faster than everyone else. But some smaller backs in the NFL takes a bit more time for them to learn and run inbetween the tackles.

That is why coming into the NFL all 3 of these guys were known as projects. Mario had to learn technique. Vince had to learn how to pass better. Reggie had to prove he could carry the load. I don't think either of the guys have proved they will be what they were hyped up to, but I do think they have all shown glimpses of what they can do which is a good sign.
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It's good to see parts of the media eating crow.

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I laughed at that blowhard Wilbon acting like it was other people that were talking bad about Mario when him and Kornheiser were sitting on the Mario hate train as well.

"They proclaimed him a bust even before he played a down!!!"

So did you Wilbon...
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I laughed at that blowhard Wilbon acting like it was other people that were talking bad about Mario when him and Kornheiser were sitting on the Mario hate train as well.

"They proclaimed him a bust even before he played a down!!!"

So did you Wilbon...
I was hearing that and almost choked on my lunch when I heard him say that. I will say this though, these two usually say they were wrong and apologize when they are proven wrong.
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Yes but I was talking about smaller backs...they seemingly take longer to develop. Look at Westbrook and Barber. Bush is pretty small compared to other players in the NFL. Still though he came in the league making plays.

Lets not try to make it seem like the guy just sucks because he doesn't play on our team. Bush has HAD a immediate impact it just hasn't been running the ball, if he continues to play like he does now I think he will be considered a bust. Because he could run the ball at USC because he was just that much faster than everyone else. But some smaller backs in the NFL takes a bit more time for them to learn and run inbetween the tackles.

That is why coming into the NFL all 3 of these guys were known as projects. Mario had to learn technique. Vince had to learn how to pass better. Reggie had to prove he could carry the load. I don't think either of the guys have proved they will be what they were hyped up to, but I do think they have all shown glimpses of what they can do which is a good sign.
Eh, I never said Reggie Bush sucks because he doesnt play for the Texans. I said it doesnt make any sense to take a running back second overall and expect him to figure it out over a three year period. Running back is one of the easier positions to translate from NCAA to the pros. Bush rightly has substantially different expectations of him than Barber (a 4th round pick and an expected 3rd down back) and Westbrook (a 3rd rounder) had.
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All the guys on Around the Horn said taking Mario was a mistake. Said VY should have been picked, and passing on him was an idiotic move. ESPN is returning to form apparently.
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Eh, I never said Reggie Bush sucks because he doesnt play for the Texans. I said it doesnt make any sense to take a running back second overall and expect him to figure it out over a three year period. Running back is one of the easier positions to translate from NCAA to the pros. Bush rightly has substantially different expectations of him than Barber (a 4th round pick and an expected 3rd down back) and Westbrook (a 3rd rounder) had.
Hey, I'm in the same boat that all you Mario lovers were in last year when Reggie was making plays and Mario was sucking.

Reggie basically played half the season hurt, and the line couldn't block for Duece either.

Next year is the magic year when you see the busts and booms come about. It will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
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Deuce was pretty good last year and produced.
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Deuce was pretty good last year and produced.
Yep, but this year, before his injury, he couldn't run behind the line either.
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Yep, but this year, before his injury, he couldn't run behind the line either.
Aaron Stecker became the Saints' first 100 yd rusher of the season in his first start.
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Aaron Stecker became the Saints' first 100 yd rusher of the season in his first start.
Yeah and he has had the same line. I am sure Deuce would have gotten 100 yards, too, if he didn't get injured.
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Here's my rant on subject:

"Mainstream Media Apologizes to Mario Williams for Irresponsible Reporting"


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Outstanding as usual.
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Hey, I'm in the same boat that all you Mario lovers were in last year when Reggie was making plays and Mario was sucking.

Reggie basically played half the season hurt, and the line couldn't block for Duece either.

Next year is the magic year when you see the busts and booms come about. It will be interesting to see who comes out on top.
Just out of curiosity what is it about year three that lets you predict a players future? Does it only matter how they perform during their third year or the entire body of work from their first three years combined?
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Just out of curiosity what is it about year three that lets you predict a players future? Does it only matter how they perform during their third year or the entire body of work from their first three years combined?
The body of work usually.
Reggie, VY, and Mario have all had a crap year and a good year. Hopefully the next year is a good one for all 3
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The body of work usually.
Reggie, VY, and Mario have all had a crap year and a good year. Hopefully the next year is a good one for all 3
Here's a question for you Apple.
First I'm assuming by now you would agree with Steve Young and many others who have finally come to the realization that Bush is not a feature back at this level. Continuing with that thought, Young said the other night on ESPN that Bush is gonna have to find a way to get on the field on a regular basis since he's not the feature back. I took that to mean he will have to become primarily a receiver, lining up at both wideout and in the slot. Can you handle it if your boys a full-time receiver ?
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Personally, I think Reggie needs to be a WR.
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Outstanding as usual.
Thanks. FanHouse decided to make it a featured story.
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I had enough of the Chronicle and started this thread last year .

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The draft is over fool ... why do we still read this crap when I want to know how the Spencer vs Wand battles going or hows Bennie doing at FB . I don't want to read about Reggie freakin Bush .

Please Houston Chronicle send Mr. Lopez to report at Gulf Greyhound Park . He can then go around to the folks who are tearing up their tickets and tell them who they should have picked .

What a moron ... I got to tell you I was'nt expecting a Reggie Bush story the day before a game ... I got it . John start writing about taking Adrian Peterson next year .
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Here's a question for you Apple.
First I'm assuming by now you would agree with Steve Young and many others who have finally come to the realization that Bush is not a feature back at this level. Continuing with that thought, Young said the other night on ESPN that Bush is gonna have to find a way to get on the field on a regular basis since he's not the feature back. I took that to mean he will have to become primarily a receiver, lining up at both wideout and in the slot. Can you handle it if your boys a full-time receiver ?
I think having him all over the field like the Saints used him last year is the way to go. He's tough enough to be a feature back, but doesn't have the size to take the beating. In a system where the strech is used alot more, he could be a real weapon. Pretty much, Payton either lines him up in the I or gives it to him on a draw.

Ironically, he would have been a monster in the Texans system last year with all the dump-off passes that Carrbage was throwing. His strength is the outside run, yet he rarely gets to do it. I was at the Hou/NO game, and most of his carries were between the tackles. He flat outruns Karney on a lot of plays. A FB like Askew or Leonard could be a good tool to use with him.
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