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Old 12-04-2007   #1
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1 Miami 0-12 - Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU

top prospect for a 3-4 defense, a no brainer unless Capers is shown the door

2 New England (from San Francisco) 3-9 - Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

rich get richer, causes mulitiple mis-matches then rest of the draft can focus on defense which is looking old to me

3 New York Jets 3-9 - Howe Long Jr. DE, Virginia

lots of holes to fill (four picks in 07 draft) prime trading partner if McFadden is still available but see them addressing pass rush as #1 need with top prospect

4 Atlanta Falcons 3-9 - Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

had Petrino selecting his former QB Brohm but then it occured he passed on Okoye so throw loyalty out the window & go with Brady clone.

5 St. Louis Rams 3-9 - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

Pace has been hurt, the offensive line has struggled both in pass protection & the running game which Long should help immediately

6 Cincinnati 4-8 - James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State

playcalling leader in the middle of the defense along the lines of Willis & DeMeco

7 Oakland Raiders 4-8 - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State

long term protection for franchise QB JaMarcus Russell

8 Kansas City Cheifs 4-8 - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

if Malcolm comes out he will be the top cb in the draft, watch for him to show his stuff against LSU rising up the boards.

9 Baltimore 4-8 - Sam Baker, OT, USC

tempted to go QB but they need to also address protection & Ogdon is not getting any younger.

10 New Orleans 5-7 - Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

secondary is a need, Aqib looks like a very solid NFL corner who should start day one.

11 Houston Texans 5-7 - Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State

why surprised? everyone knows the Texans like to draft defensive linemen in the 1st rd. the top 3 rated LT's & top 2 CB's are gone. with Mario finding home @ LDE the Texans need a high motor, speed rushing, workout warrior coming off the right side. Gholston is a solid 260 with 4.5 speed sack machine.

12 Denver Broncos 5-7 - Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC

need help everywhere defensively, would love Gholston but with Ellis still available this would insure improved interior run defense

13 Carolina Panthers 5-7 - Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

bookends of Peppers & Campbell should really help the pass rush, sick really

14 Chicago Bears 5-7 - Andre' Woodson, QB, Kentucky

they draft a QB. Woodson may be good enough to return them to the Superbowl sooner than later

15 Philadelphia Eagles 5-7 - DeSean Jackson, WR, California

Westbrook needs another playmaker to spread the offenese

16 Washington Redskins 5-7 - Kenny Phillips FS Miami

hard not to feel a huge hole now exists & another Hurricane just could be part of the healing process

17 Arizona Cardinals 6-6 - Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

DE is their biggest need but the bpa is JS who would compliment their biggest strength the OL. maximizing time of possesion & keeping the D rested

18 Buffalo Bills 6-6 - Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma

addressed the backfield last draft, still need weapons this time @ WR

19 Minnesota Vikings 6-6 - Gosder Cherilus, OT Boston College

protection @ RT for the RB

20 Detroit Lions 6-6 - Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida

by draft time Jenkins will be the next corner off the board & the Lions need the best one available

21 Dallas (from Cleveland) 7-5 Reggie Smith, CB, Oklahoma

basicly get the same pick back as they traded in 07 (22) Reggie is a mature defensive upgrade that can cover or play safety

22 Tennsesse Tacks 7-5 - James Hardy, WR, Indiana

Vince gets a big target (also like Missouri TE Martin Rucker) that can look him in the eyes (6-6)

23 San Diego Chargers 7-5 - Early Doucet, WR, LSU

looks good in LSU uniform should look good as a Charger. while he has struggled somewhat with nagging injurys he remains a big time WR

24 Seattle Seahawks 8-4 - Kevin Smith, RB Central Florida

have the feeling Felix Jones will return to Arkansas despite the coaching change to be the #1 RB in the 09 draft. Kevin Smith is a "nice college back" that should fit in Seattle causing sleepless nights for oppossing defenses

25 Tampa Bay Bucs 8-4 - Brian Brohm, QB Louisville

Gruden never has enough QB's. in this case the value is too great to pass on or they could trade down like Dallas did last year with Cleveland

26 New York Giants 8-4 - Jeff Otah, OT Pittsburgh

if they don't address protection for Manning he may go the way of Carr. Otah is a physical specimen who keeps improving & stepping up to each challenge

27 Jacksonville Jags 8-4 - Dan Connor, OLB Penn State

would be a great fit if still available in the same mold as the coach

28 Pittsburgh Steelers 9-3 - Adarius Bowman, WR Oklahoma State

would take Otah if still available but adding WR is also a need. Bowman has good NFL size for the position

29 Green Bay Packers 10-2 - Antoine Cason, CB Arizona

excellent cover corner is a need. Cason has proven he is 1st rd. talent

30 San Francisco (from Indianapolis 10-2) Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois

need depth & compliment to Frank Gore. Mendenhall looks like 1st rd, talent similar to Joseph Addai who was taken #30 in the 06 draft

31 Dallas 11-1 - Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia

high risk reward but Cowboys can take the chance. seems like a given they let Julius Jones walk (would try to resign him & address cb)

32 New England (pick forfeited) 12-0
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I stopped reading after I saw DE
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You really think they would take another DL with all the holes we have everywhere else? I could see them doing it if we got a stud RB and stud Center, along with a stud CB in FA. What are the odds of that happening?

I'm not saying they wouldn't take the DE if he was BPA, I just don't see it right now with all the other holes we have. Maybe they would try to trade down if it played out the way you have it. Just don't know right now. Alot can happen between now and Draft time. Hopefully, it will be alot of good. Lord knows we some of that!
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Like I said in another thread, every mock has us picking different positions. The RB from Arkansas (if he declares), a LB from Penn State, an OT from USC, a safety from Miami, etc., etc.....
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No link so I have noidea where you got this, but the guy is either a moron or he is just trying to yank peoples chains and get a reaction.
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Beerlover this looks like your mock draft.

Another DL, you could never explain that.
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I puke when I see Glenn Dorsey at #1

*looks at the mock again*

Oh God.... not again!!!

*puke*

Seriously though... that guy is garbage. I would take Amobi over him every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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no link, its the original & it took this moron about two hours to research given the updated draft order

this is not a popularity contest its a MOCK DRAFT, its based on research & watching alot of football & yeah, personel opinion. some prospects have moved up some have droped out (1st rd.) as is normally the case. hey if you think this is bad wait until the senior bowl, combine & personel workout rumors start flying this is a fluid process based on actual play during this season, bowl games yet to even get started & the current needs around the NFL as they stand, its pretty damn unrealistic to think anyone has all the answears, expecially this early its anyones guess (although its my 4th season doing this).

I can easily defend the Texans pick & simply say Texans Select The BPA. Vernon Gholston is a beast, a football player a tough pass rushing DE ready to play on Sundays. in this scenero the Texans could easily trade down because teams would be willing to move up & get Gholston with the top tackles & cb's gone (under this scenero) it gives Rick Smith the freedom to move down to get the next best player @ one of those positions of need while adding value picks. this gives you some idea just how far you could trade down to aquire the next talented LT/CB. fs Kenny Phillips #16, cb Mike Jenkins #20, OT's Gosder Cherilus #19 or Jeff Otah #26.

its intended to share so we all have an updated draft guide to use grading prospects going forward in trade down sceneros or just selecting your favorite player, nothing more or less, those who have been around should know that nothing is surprising come draft day & its wise to be prepared
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It hurts seeing a few players I've got an eye on going only a few picks later. Stewart, Phillips, and Reggie Smith would all make solid picks, I'm not down for another DE (although I will admit we do need a pass rusher from the spot on passing downs, just don't feel it's worth a 1st yet again). I won't say it won't happen (because it's impossible to say at this point), but I highly doubt we go DE with bigger problems on our team.
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I for one salute you beerlover, if this in fact your own Mock Draft that you researched and put up here for everybody to see. Good job.

for everybody else who hates beerlover and his mock draftiness, here's a mock you can probably learn to love.

EDIT: This draft page has been updated, and no longer reflects the previous opinions I expressed in this post.
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It hurts seeing a few players I've got an eye on going only a few picks later. Stewart, Phillips, and Reggie Smith would all make solid picks, I'm not down for another DE (although I will admit we do need a pass rusher from the spot on passing downs, just don't feel it's worth a 1st yet again). I won't say it won't happen (because it's impossible to say at this point), but I highly doubt we go DE with bigger problems on our team.
I agree with this but don't you think it makes a good case to trade down? on the one hand you have the bpa who should be a Top 10 pick that many teams covet, while there still players of need on the board later & the Texans can address more picks/needs in the process.

Anyway, it wasn't planned to screw the Texans or anything like that but it is a realistic scenero that could happen yet to some totaly unexpected (based on teams currently picking ahead of the Texans, their needs, & the available talent pool)
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I puke when I see Glenn Dorsey at #1

*looks at the mock again*

Oh God.... not again!!!

*puke*

Seriously though... that guy is garbage. I would take Amobi over him every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
lmao @ garbage.
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I for one salute you beerlover, if this in fact your own Mock Draft that you researched and put up here for everybody to see. Good job.

for everybody else who hates beerlover and his mock draftiness, [url=http://www.drafttek.com/round12008.html] here's a mock you can probably learn to love[/url].
No I don't think I could love that Mock. I'm not sure how good the DE from Florida is or where he ranks, but to take Tashard Choice in the 3rd with LT Jeff Otah taken 2 spots later, would be just sickening to me. I'm not enamored with many of the RB's in this years Draft, and if we pass on a RB in the 1st, then I don't think there is any that will really help us that much in the later rounds. I just don't think they would be worth it. And if Otah is there in the 3rd, I hope we don't pass him up! JMHO!
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lmao @ garbage.
That's two of us. I'd trade Okoye and a second in '09 to get my hands on the guy. Did you see Haynesworth just tossing around Flanagan like a ragedy ann doll last week end ? That's what you are buying with Glenn Dorsey.

I absolutly hate the pick Beerlover. But it is a very good mock. I think your logic is sound and the scenario could play out that way. Still say J.J. is going to make an offer the fins can't refuse.

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I can easily defend the Texans pick & simply say Texans Select The BPA. Vernon Gholston is a beast, a football player a tough pass rushing DE ready to play on Sundays. in this scenero the Texans could easily trade down because teams would be willing to move up & get Gholston with the top tackles & cb's gone (under this scenero) it gives Rick Smith the freedom to move down to get the next best player @ one of those positions of need while adding value picks. this gives you some idea just how far you could trade down to aquire the next talented LT/CB. fs Kenny Phillips #16, cb Mike Jenkins #20, OT's Gosder Cherilus #19 or Jeff Otah #26.
Yeah but now you don't have just a few holes in the o-line. That was the sword in the preverbial bull last week end. The bull is dead bear lover. The ears and tail have been cut off and they are litterallly starting from scratch. Agreed: you trade down as many times as you have to untill the BPA meets the biggest need with the biggest tallent. Cover corner, Rb, o-lineman. Rick smith may be forced to do it this way.
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I agree with this but don't you think it makes a good case to trade down? on the one hand you have the bpa who should be a Top 10 pick that many teams covet, while there still players of need on the board later & the Texans can address more picks/needs in the process.

Anyway, it wasn't planned to screw the Texans or anything like that but it is a realistic scenero that could happen yet to some totaly unexpected (based on teams currently picking ahead of the Texans, their needs, & the available talent pool)
I usually never have a problem with trading down some spots. Kubiak and Smith have shown that they can make good with what picks they have. Everyone except for Lundy is still on the team that they've drafted, and they've also landed 6 solid starters. If we could move down about 5 - 10 spots, pick up some useful picks, and still land a solid talent, I have no complaints.
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No I don't think I could love that Mock. I'm not sure how good the DE from Florida is or where he ranks, but to take Tashard Choice in the 3rd with LT Jeff Otah taken 2 spots later, would be just sickening to me. I'm not enamored with many of the RB's in this years Draft, and if we pass on a RB in the 1st, then I don't think there is any that will really help us that much in the later rounds. I just don't think they would be worth it. And if Otah is there in the 3rd, I hope we don't pass him up! JMHO!
Kubiack isn't going to take a 205 pound RB that high.
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Kubiack isn't going to take a 205 pound RB that high.
We were going to take a 200 pound running back with the first overall pick until the week before the draft.
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Kubiack isn't going to take a 205 pound RB that high.
Tashard Choice is a pretty good player.
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Did you mean to answer this question bah? haha
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