Matt Schaub - Have we seen enough?

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Grid

Exactly.. so if we spread that out to the 7 games AJ missed.. we can say (from a statistical point of view) that if AJ hadnt gone down for 7 games, Schaub would have 16 TDs.

But that is my point, if Schaub was the savior of our franchise than he should have been able compensate with his play. It didn't happen.

Manning wins without Harrison, Brady wins with who ever is there.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

New guy, same number (8) same reults (losing). He might end up with more passing yards than Carr but he is 9 TD's and 9 INT's thus far. We have the best reciever in football and all Schaub has is 9 TD's?

whatever... most people can see hes a good qb thats still learning and improving

[Aztequila]

Originally Posted by Ckw5814

He's twice the QB Carr is but half the tough guy Carr is.

I like this observation. Bottom line is that Schaub has shown that he can play, but the problem is he is getting banged up every game. Same old story, different QB, lack of protection.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Maddict5

whatever... most people can see hes a good qb thats still learning and improving

He is an average QB at this point who seems to keep getting hurt. He has only been sacked 17 times and has missed 3 games. If you can't depend on your QB staying healthy then this franchise will not ever improve.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Aztequila

I like this observation. Bottom line is that Schaub has shown that he can play, but the problem is he is getting banged up every game. Same old story, different QB, lack of protection.

He has only been sacked 17 times.

[TexansMVP]

Passing statistic: Stat Link
2006 - Texans Ranked 27 out of 32 teams
2007 - Texans Ranked 6 out of 32 teams!!!


I think our QB is is doing pretty well for himself so far despite this being his first real year, our freak injuries, and anemic rushing attack for most of the season. Imagine our potential next year when we have some of these kinks worked out.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by TexansMVP

Passing statistic: Stat Link
2006 - Texans Ranked 27 out of 32 teams
2007 - Texans Ranked 6 out of 32 teams!!!


I think our QB is is doing pretty well for himself so far despite this being his first real year, our freak injuries, and anemic rushing attack for most of the season. Imagine our potential next year when we have some of these kinks worked out.

Sure we are the 6th ranked but all we have to show for it is 9 TD's and a 5-7 record.

Besides, right now that is not even my main beef, can he stay healthy?

[kiwitexansfan]

I genuinely think that Schaub can be a second tier QB (below Manning and Brady).

What this year raises questions about is whether he can survive 16+ games??

[4Texans]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

I genuinely think that Schaub can be a second tier QB (below Manning and Brady).

What this year raises questions about is whether he can survive 16+ games??

Schaub is fine. People tend to forget he only had 2-3 starts in ATL, before this year. As for the injuries, I don't question just Schaub, but are whole team has suffered the injury bug, and not just this year. I question the Strength and conditioning coaches at times. Our team always seems to have more injuries than the other team. If we're going to have so many injuries, it put's our depth in question, and obviously we don't have the depth we need.

[Marcus]

Who says Schaub has to be the "savior of the franchise"?

With all the pressing needs of this team, the quarterback spot is not high on my list of things that need to be addressed immediately. We have a quarterback that doesn't turtle up at the pressure, and keeps looking, and throwing, downfield. Is he perfect? No? Does he need to improve? Yes.

The thought of giving up on him after one season? Preposterous.

You shouldnt have said "lets face facts" you should have said "lets force you to listen to my bad opinions"

Quote of the day, Grid. Quote of the day.

[Maddict5]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

He has only been sacked 17 times.

and that is a testament to his quick decision-making and release than anything else... the o-line pretty much sucks

Manning wins without Harrison

yeah and played terrible without them... 6 ints? etc.. and its not like we're comparable to the pats and colts talent wise and matt is holding us back


and whoever thinks matt's comp % is like DC's last yr is delusional

anyway this whole thread is ridiculous- schaub's play is near the bottom of things we should be concerned about

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Marcus

Who says Schaub has to be the "savior of the franchise"?

With all the pressing needs of this team, the quarterback spot is not high on my list of things that need to be addressed immediately. We have a quarterback that doesn't turtle up at the pressure, and keeps looking, and throwing, downfield. Is he perfect? No? Does he need to improve? Yes.

The thought of giving up on him after one season? Preposterous.



Quote of the day, Grid. Quote of the day.

B/C there have only been two championships ever won with sub par QB's and that is Tampa and Baltimore. We are not even coming close to there kind of defensive play.

Cowboys, 49ers, Packers, Patriots, Colts(both Baltimore and Indy), Steelers, Broncos, all have one thing in common, Hall of fame QB's that knew how to win and was the corner stone of there franchise.

Chris Chandler was a good QB, he couldn't stay healthy either.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by TexansMVP

Passing statistic: Stat Link
2006 - Texans Ranked 27 out of 32 teams
2007 - Texans Ranked 6 out of 32 teams!!!


I think our QB is is doing pretty well for himself so far despite this being his first real year, our freak injuries, and anemic rushing attack for most of the season. Imagine our potential next year when we have some of these kinks worked out.

and just to throw it out there Schaub is tied for 19th in TD passes. He is in the same company with Brian Griese, Damon Huard, and Chad Pennington.

[Runner]

Originally Posted by 4Texans

Schaub is fine. People tend to forget he only had 2-3 starts in ATL, before this year.

I don't think that is quite right. Some posters (not me in this case) questioned the Scaub deal when it was made because it was a lot to give up for a player with little more experience than a rookie. This opinion was frequently and sometimes vociferously condemned because Schaub had been on an NFL team some seasons. A lot of the time the dissenting posters were labeled as Carr or Vince lovers, usually erroneously.

I find it ironic that not only do the people who questioned Schaub's experience use it in his defense now, I also see it so many times that I think probably the peole who attacked those posters have changed their tune and use it too, which is good. It demonstrates the ability to learn.

Note: I'm not insinuating you (4Texans) held one opinion or other. I was just using your post as a jumping off point.

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Schaub's skills are the least of the Texans problems; his health might turn out to be more problematic.

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

B/C there have only been two championships ever won with sub par QB's and that is Tampa and Baltimore. We are not even coming close to there kind of defensive play.

Cowboys, 49ers, Packers, Patriots, Colts(both Baltimore and Indy), Steelers, Broncos, all have one thing in common, Hall of fame QB's that knew how to win and was the corner stone of there franchise.

Chris Chandler was a good QB, he couldn't stay healthy either.

So, you're ready to just give up on him after one season? Am I reading you right?

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Runner

I don't think that is quite right. Some posters (not me in this case) questioned the Scaub deal when it was made becasue it was a lot to give up for a player with little more experience than a rookie. This opinion was frequently and sometimes vociferously condemned because Schaub had been on an NFL some seasons. A lot of the time the dissenting posters were labeled as Carr or Vince lovers, usually erroneously.

I find it ironic that not only do the people who questioned Schaub's experience use it in his defense now, I also see it so many times that I think probably the peole who attacked those posters have changed their tune and use it too, which is good. It demonstrates the ability to learn.

Note: I'm not insinuating you held one opinion or other. I was just using your post as a jumping off point.

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Schaub's skills are the least of the Texans problems; his health might turn out to be more problematic.

I didn't question the trade b/c something had to be done. I feel a lot of posters judge and evaluate Schaub by only comparing him to Carr.

I can even deal with Schaubs average play at this point b/c when Moon came to the NFL it took him a couple of years to get good.

My main issue is can Schaub stay healthy? Only 17 sacks and a hand full of hits has side lined him for 3 games out of 11. Now he has a dislocated shoulder so who knows how long he will be out now.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Marcus

So, you're ready to just give up on him after one season? Am I reading you right?

No but I am ready to have a back up plan if this one does not work out.

Draft a young QB and let him hold a clip board and learn.(Not saying a high round pick but at least have our bases covered.)

[GP]

Wow.

This seems familiar. Been going on every year for the past 4 years or so.

We drop out of the playoff picture and everyone's at each other's throats.

LOL.

Schaub is awful. If the guy needs perfect protection, then he's awful. There's not a QB in the NFL who doesn't get smacked every now and then. And Schaub has shown that he can't take a hit.

Burn me at the message board stake if you wish, but this QB gamble is a losing deal. No need for stats. Wins and losses are all that matter. The guy can't even finish a game.

But please let me know how he'll magically get better. He's not a first-year rookie, fellas.

[GP]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

No but I am ready to have a back up plan if this one does not work out.

Draft a young QB and let him hold a clip board and learn.(Not saying a high round pick but at least have our bases covered.)

Was thinking the exact same thing.

I really don't want to see Schaub at QB again. If he needs perfect protection, as a lot are saying we should give him, then they're basically saying he's going to get hurt IF he gets touched. Last time I checked, there's not a QB in the NFL who goes a season without getting touched.

He was sharp vs. Saints and then he disappears. Give the guys 3 weeks, and he's a champ on gameday. Then I guess he needs another 3 weeks of rest to go back out there again.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by GP

Wow.

This seems familiar. Been going on every year for the past 4 years or so.

We drop out of the playoff picture and everyone's at each other's throats.

LOL.

Schaub is awful. If the guy needs perfect protection, then he's awful. There's not a QB in the NFL who doesn't get smacked every now and then. And Schaub has shown that he can't take a hit.

Burn me at the message board stake if you wish, but this QB gamble is a losing deal. No need for stats. Wins and losses are all that matter. The guy can't even finish a game.

But please let me know how he'll magically get better. He's not a first-year rookie, fellas.

I agree with this to a point.

Schaub could be the next coming of Tom Brady but it doesn't do you a whole lot of good if you are always on the side line.