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Old 12-02-2007   #21
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Default Re: CAN Schaub take a hit?!

Here is my theory...to add on to above.

Carr was never a good QB and didn't have the QBing skills for the NFL but took the hits. The line didn't help/

Schaub has all the moxy and skills we need but has been hurt. Still has made plays downfield despite line but they don't help.

Get an O-line finally and see if we can make the guy who actually can play stay upright and help us out.

As for Schaubs toughness, from what I heard he played most of the first half of the season with bruised and battered linbs.
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Here is my theory...to add on to above.

Carr was never a good QB and didn't have the QBing skills for the NFL but took the hits. The line didn't help/

Schaub has all the moxy and skills we need but has been hurt. Still has made plays downfield despite line but they don't help.

Get an O-line finally and see if we can make the guy who actually can play stay upright and help us out.

As for Schaubs toughness, from what I heard he played most of the first half of the season with bruised and battered linbs.
IMO I believe Schaub is fragile and no matter how good he can be, a QB that rides the pine b/c he is always hurt is a useless good QB.

Some people are just more prone to injuries than other. For example Adrian Peterson seems to always get hurt.
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This OL has played very good this year. They were #7 overall in giving up sacks. Yes, they are injured, but schaub hasn't been hit that much this year.
No, Schaub performed as advertised and made them look better. He's now starting to look nervous in the pocket at times and getting hurt. Go figure.

This team so rarely has a good passing and a good running game during the same game, I don't see why this line is "very good".
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Being #7 in sacks allowed doesn't account for the fact that Schaub gets rid of the ball abnormally quick on alot of plays and also the perception of a sack. If you know that Salaam can't block for more than 3 seconds, your going to mentally feel it coming.
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Look guys, whatever happened to Schaub, it couldn't have come at a worse time. We need to be able to beat the Titans and the fact that Schaub can't finish a game against them looks really bad, not matter how you slice it. He's show that he can be a major force and a more consitent pocket passer than Carr but for ****** sake....you have to be able to beat the Titans!!! I'm just irrate that Schaub couldn't finish the game. I've looked forward to redemtion for a whole year and we lay a ******* egg. I still have faith in Schaub but his physical toughness is in question. My gosh man, it's only 17 sacks in 12 games, let's go Schaubby!!!!!!!!!
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I still have faith in Schaub but his physical toughness is in question. My gosh man, it's only 17 sacks in 12 games, let's go Schaubby!!!!!!!!!
I agree, it's a fair question and a valid concern.
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Default Re: CAN Schaub take a hit?!

Right when I saw him go down I was thinking the same thing. He did land on the shoulder, so it didn't surprise me that he got hurt. I think he can take a hit, but I don't think he can take someone llanding on his shoulder.
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Why the hell would you even want Carr back on the team. He wasn't even listed as the backup in Carolina today. Not only that but we would have to hear people say he should be playing still. No thanks. i like Schaub. I don't think someone is soft when they are just getting things dislocated or broken. I think Carr knew how to take a hit...maybe laying down, but I'd still rather have Schaub. The first time I'm all for drafting O-line high and getting it right. I mean is Favre a wuss and he got knocked out the other game. Its more a matter of how you are hit and where you land. This debate almost makes the board unbearable at times. JMO..people mneed to be more even keel on this whole thing.
thats a great point ,favre hasnt missed a game in 13 years or something and ours has, great comparison.

and yes i would rather have carr as a back up this year plus 2 2nd rounders and all those millions. i thought then and still think that money was better spent somewhere else.

i hope i am proven wrong and i will say when i am but as of now its my opinion that i havent.
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thats a great point ,favre hasnt missed a game in 13 years or something and ours has, great comparison.

and yes i would rather have carr as a back up this year plus 2 2nd rounders and all those millions. i thought then and still think that money was better spent somewhere else.

i hope i am proven wrong and i will say when i am but as of now its my opinion that i havent.
If Carr was our backup, who'd be our starter???? Rosenfels, Quinn, maybe even Carr????

Hooray for mediocrity (barely)! Seriously man, do you till think that Carr or a backup QB is the answer for our offense? No doubt we gave up some picks for Schaub, but it's safe to say that his poise in games has led to some victories. Had the previous regime/rookie QB been in, it would be insane in Houston. Your point won't hold any weight as long as Schaub continues to prove to Houston that he is a major upgrade, with half the learning curve. I do respect your opinion though.
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Brady Quinn + 2 second rounders is better than Fragile Matty
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Brady Quinn + 2 second rounders is better than Fragile Matty
This argument can't be justified because Brady Quinn hasn't played in the NFL.
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If Carr was our backup, who'd be our starter???? Rosenfels, Quinn, maybe even Carr????

Hooray for mediocrity (barely)! Seriously man, do you till think that Carr or a backup QB is the answer for our offense? No doubt we gave up some picks for Schaub, but it's safe to say that his poise in games has led to some victories. Had the previous regime/rookie QB been in, it would be insane in Houston. Your point won't hold any weight as long as Schaub continues to prove to Houston that he is a major upgrade, with half the learning curve. I do respect your opinion though.
no i dont go read the first post, and you're right hooray for mediocrity. oh never mind we need 2 more wins for that.

major upgrade? 9 td 9 int and 5-7 vs. 10 td and 7 int and 4-8 last year. $47 million well spent i say.
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no i dont go read the first post, and you're right hooray for mediocrity. oh never mind we need 2 more wins for that.

major upgrade? 9 td 9 int and 5-7 vs. 10 td and 7 int and 4-8 last year. $47 million well spent i say.
Do you want me to bust out the carr stats this season? Again, your argument holds no weight. 'Nuff said.
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Staying on the field is a major part of being in the NFL. Whether unlucky or not right now there is a question as to whether or Schaub is going to be able to that.
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Do you want me to bust out the carr stats this season? Again, your argument holds no weight.
that makes no sense, i am comparing qb's for the texans.

i swear some people only hear what they want to hear. go find 1 of my posts where i say carr is better than schaub, i say he is not a major upgrade, and your opinions are just that, all i gave you was facts. we can argue our opinions all day but RIGHT NOW the facts are that he is an upgrade , but not a major one.
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that makes no sense, i am comparing qb's for the texans.

i swear some people only hear what they want to hear. go find 1 of my posts where i say carr is better than schaub, i say he is not a major upgrade, and your opinions are just that, all i gave you was facts. we can argue our opinions all day but RIGHT NOW the facts are that he is an upgrade , but not a major one.
But that was the basis for my previous post. Who would YOU rather have at QB???? Quinn, VY, Carr, Rosenfels or Schaub? I'd say the Schaub is a more polished passer than all of them and has a higher upside.

I understand that you don't think Schaub is a major upgrade, but my point is that he is. Consider the alternatives.
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But that was the basis for my previous post. Who would YOU rather have at QB???? Quinn, VY, Carr, Rosenfels or Schaub? I'd say the Schaub is a more polished passer than all of them and has a higher upside.
just my opinion but i will take sage for now with those 2 2nd rounders and the money back. but thats all fantasy now.

this has been my opinion from the start, but i bet you would have to admit that to this point schaub has been a disappointment compared the hype and expectations that we all had.

make no mistake about this is all subject to change, he can turn out to be everything we were told he was or maybe this is it. and if it is then thats not good for the money and picks invested.

my opinion is not set, meaning that if he proves to be great i will say it and say i was wrong, but i didnt like the move and from what i have seen through 3/4 of the first season i still don't.
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maybe he needs to drink more milk

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Default Re: CAN Schaub take a hit?!

I'm willing to give Schaub another season, seeing as how this is his first season of a starter. He has shown moments of brilliance, and he has shown moments of complete ineptitude. I think he should get at least one more season, if only because there will be no adequate replacements for him in free agency next season (unless y'all would like to have Carr back on the roster).

With all of that said, the one thing that I am not willing to do is sit back for 5 years and watch a QB struggle. My patience is running thin, I don't want any more 5 year plans.
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Everybody gets injured. It's too bad for Schaub. Things could be alot better next year for Schaub. His receivers will have more experience, hopefully they can remain healthy. Maybe we will have some new offensive lineman and some new running backs would be nice.

He got some pretty good experience this year. Started 11 games. Played what, 8 or 9 all the way through? I am assuming he is done for the year.

Schaub's stats for the year:

192/289 66.4% 2,241 yards 7.8 yards/attempt 9 TD 9 INT 16 sacks 7 fumble 3 lost. 87.2 Rating. 11 games played.

He is an upgrade at every aspect of quarterbacking over the last quarterback we had if you ask me. He had a pretty good first year starting. He made some clear mistakes, but did a hell of alot of good things to go with that. Schaub is one of the main reasons that some people can call our WR corps strong, or somewhat strong.

I'd also like to add that he had eight 200 yard passing games. Started the season with 6 of them in a row.

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