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Old 12-02-2007   #21
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Default Re: We don't have good coaching (getting outcoached again)

This is pretty simple: turn the ball over at an inoportune moment. Drop balls on third down. Miss tackles. These are all mental errors. Guess what, we are a young, injured team with a bunch of people in situations they are not comfortable in. Mistakes are made, and we just dont have the talent, particularly on the offensive line, to recover by throwin the ball a bunch of times. We had this game in our grasp when we scored and forced a three and out. An individual error cost us, its that simple.
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Default Re: We don't have good coaching (getting outcoached again)

Honestly, I don't think we got outcoached today. Earlier in the season I would say that we did do a p*ss poor job of managing the clock and looked like crap, but today the players shot themselves in the foot. We had momentum, but the fumbled punt hurt us.
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Default Re: We don't have good coaching (getting outcoached again)

I see these posts that say we were out-coached. I think we were out-manned.

- Their O-line is better than our ability to bring pressure - especially since Richard Smith refuses to blitz.
- Their D-line is better than our O-line, especially after Weary went down. That means their suspect secondary only has to cover 2-3 seconds, unlike ours that has to cover up to 4 seconds - 5 if the QB scrambles a bit.
- Our WR corps, who stepped up when AJ was out, seems to have stepped back down.
- They have 2-3 healthy, productive RBs, we have one. When LenDale White get's done banging you in the first half they bring in Chris Brown's fresh legs in the second half. We have Ron Dayne. And I think their RB productivity is also a reflection of their better O-line as much as talent at the RB position.

We're out manned. And, looking at our schedule, we will continue to be for the rest of the year. If we stay in any of the remaining games it'll be a surprise.
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Clearly. With insightful comments like this, so rich in analyisis and perspective, Im shocked Rick Smith has not contacted you already for a consulting job.
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And I would make a judgement that those people are ignorant. I never have understood the mentality of those that want to shift the blame to coaches in order to make their favorite players look good.
Then they never should have gotten rid of Capers, huh?

Maybe the coaches actually do have some effect on the team, and the players have some too. Moving Mario around his rookie year when he wasn't ready for that may have been a coaching mistake. Mario not picking up on things too quickly, or not giving his all on every play may be a player problem. Drafting Mario after giving a big bonus to Weaver when they should play the same position may be a front office problem.

These just sum up to one example. When a team is as consistently bad as the Texans and seems to make the same mistakes game after game, year after year - then there are a lot of problems all working together.

Then again, maybe I'm just ignorant too - but I know that is too far fetched to be true.
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Clearly. With insightful comments like this, so rich in analyisis and perspective, Im shocked Rick Smith has not contacted you already for a consulting job.
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- Our WR corps, who stepped up when AJ was out, seems to have stepped back down.

We're out manned. And, looking at our schedule, we will continue to be for the rest of the year. If we stay in any of the remaining games it'll be a surprise.
Interesting observation, which I agree with. With AJ out, the ball got spread around to Walter, Davis, and the tight ends. Now, there is an AJ myopia with the QBs.

In my view, AJ should be given a finite number of plays during a game, for a variety of reasons.
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This is pretty simple: turn the ball over at an inoportune moment. Drop balls on third down. Miss tackles. These are all mental errors. Guess what, we are a young, injured team with a bunch of people in situations they are not comfortable in. Mistakes are made, and we just dont have the talent, particularly on the offensive line, to recover by throwin the ball a bunch of times. We had this game in our grasp when we scored and forced a three and out. An individual error cost us, its that simple.
QFT, i'll add to that weather conditions sometimes dictate what you feel comfortable calling but all in all, what you stated above are the main reasons we lost & continue to lose. However there are some things i think kubes needs to get better at.

For example, when you've got a d-line full of speed rushers as Tenn has, you might want to move your Qb's pocket a bit more so your QB isn't a sitting duck & those ends hold for a second. He had schaub doing this on the 1st drive & then he just stopped calling them. Schaub also needs to change his count up to force the d-line to hold back like Sage was doing.

2, have your Qb spreading the ball around a little more. Walter didn't get the ball until the 4th quarter & i believe Daniels had 1 catch on the first drive & wasn't heard from again. He's got to do a better job of giving other guys chances to make plays; give the defense something else to worry about You can't always bank on your QB being able to make it to his 2nd & 3rd reads all the time; some plays need to be called looking for Daniels/Walter/Davis 1st read & then AJ second.

I don't know if he's doing that & the Qb's are bypassing these guys looking straight for AJ every pass play, but.........

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Outcoached? I don't think so.

We lose our starting QB and our starting RG and we end the game with a 3rd string RG. Dayne is a serviceable RB but he wouldn't be starting anywhere else. He's a good #2 back. We've already lost 3 DB's. Demps wasn't even in camp and Hutchins is a safety starting at CB.

We lost this game due to injuries and a rookie mistake.

Kubiak did a great job considering what he had to work with. This board however is full of former NFL coaches that can do his job better.

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Default Re: Fire Kubiak?

did you really have to start a new thread?

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Default Re: Fire Kubiak?

I'm willing to give Kubiak some time. I am done with Richard Smith. No one went down on defense today, his schemes have sucked for the vast majority of the season. Our defense makes everyone look like elite players, even subpar players like Vince Young can come into our house and look like a million dollars. Yes, our defense is lacking in personnel. However, the schemes have looked worse than the players have. I'm curious to see how Kubiak does next season with a new OC and DC (Sherman is going to A&M and I'm almost certain that Smith will be history after this season).
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To echo someone else . .

did you really have to start up a new thread?

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Kubes is good. The entire D staff needs to get the boot though.
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I second that...Kubs can stay but Richard Smith can go!
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Interesting observation, which I agree with. With AJ out, the ball got spread around to Walter, Davis, and the tight ends. Now, there is an AJ myopia with the QBs.

In my view, AJ should be given a finite number of plays during a game, for a variety of reasons.
That's an interesting question: Are the QBs "myopic"? Do the QBs always look to AJ or is our illustrious O/C calling plays primarily for AJ?

One would think that given that the opposition usually sets out to double AJ, someone else should be open.

I wonder how often we call set plays where AJ is intentionally a decoy and Walter or Davis is the primary target....?
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I want more than Smith... I want blood from opposing Offenses...
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growing pains everybody.. i dont know why everybody thought they'd be nice..

we're a young team and our young guys are hurting us right now as they get experience: OD, JJ, schaub (somewhat), winston, amobi (somewhat also).. bennett's done grand so far but he'll prob mess up once or twice before seasons end
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growing pains everybody.. i dont know why everybody thought they'd be nice..

we're a young team and our young guys are hurting us right now as they get experience: OD, JJ, schaub (somewhat), winston, amobi (somewhat also).. bennett's done grand so far but he'll prob mess up once or twice before seasons end
Hey, what is the voice of sanity doing on a message board?? Someone ban this guy!

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Default Re: We don't have good coaching (getting outcoached again)

Just want to add to the sentiment that I think Kubes is a good coach, but we can do better with our coordinators. My faith in him is starting to waver a bit this season, but I want him to have a third season to prove himself. He played half the season without his best offensive player, and the other half without his best defensive player. We needed to be better than we have been this year, but I still think he's part of the solution, not the problem.
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growing pains everybody.. i dont know why everybody thought they'd be nice..

we're a young team and our young guys are hurting us right now as they get experience: OD, JJ, schaub (somewhat), winston, amobi (somewhat also).. bennett's done grand so far but he'll prob mess up once or twice before seasons end
He messed up in this very game. On the touchdown catch, by Gage I beleive it was, he should have knocked that ball down. It was a simple jump ball pass that VY threw a little too far into the inside. Gage still managed to snag it.

I see good things out of Bennett. He is a ballhawk for sure. If you errantly throw the ball his way he will pick you off. He has good hands, he doesn't drop the easy ones. He has made some good plays on short passes and running plays by coming up and making good tackles. However he is having his rookie mistakes and showing that he is still a bit raw. There are times that he makes some really nice plays. I think it's just about learning and experiencing the game more.

I agree with you there are growing pains, but another problem is that most of our role playing veterans on defense aren't doing anything for us. Weaver has been a bad fit with this defense thus far. Our outside linebackers are also playing poor to average on a consistant basis. Boulware has been a non-factor, however Demps has contributed well, considering his situation at the beginning of the season with the elbow, at a position of serious need.

Was the Boulware-Babin trade worth it? I thought it was an interesting and exciting trade at first but I haven't seen it pay off thus far.
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