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Old 05-23-2004   #61
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Had it been known that it was fantasy when I orginally made it, the point (don't make baseless statements you can't back up) would not have gotten across.
I understand (for the most part).

I also respect you a great deal from the original mb (you always kept your banter above the bs) so I will give you your due.
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I was referring to your injection of Portis as an alternative for the Texans (just as Bell could have been an alternative for the Cowboys, had the Broncos not traded up), as opposed to the use of Portis as a benchmark for RBs.

Understood.

But the Broncos didn't trade up to get Bell. The 2nd round selection they used on Bell came from the Portis/Bailey trade (way before the draft). Had the trade been made while Washington was on the clock, that'd be different.

But it still wouldn't change the fact that Jones was invited to Dallas for an interview (as well as interviewing his brother Thomas during the free agency period) before the draft and Bell wasn't.
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I just didn't see how you can "teach a lesson" by taking a comment that was admittedly speculation and make a "factual statement" about Wilfork that you conceded was fantasy only after someone else called you on it.
To me, it was something akin to using irony as a literary technique. It was intended to make the reader think and interpret. I know that's a novel concept on these boards but it seemed like a nice change of pace from the usual my Dad can beat up your Dad stuff...

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You are probably right.
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Ok, back to football. This is stupid.

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But the Broncos didn't trade up to get Bell. The 2nd round selection they used on Bell came from the Portis/Bailey trade (way before the draft). Had the trade been made while Washington was on the clock, that'd be different.
The Broncos acquired the 41st pick previously held by Washington, a pick ahead of Dallas' original second round pick, 52. The Broncos original second round pick, pick 54, was behind the Cowboys. The trade with the Bills didn't change the fact that the Broncos were still ahead of the Cowboys in the second round.

During the draft coverage. I believe there was speculation that the Broncos traded with Cincinnati to move up ahead of the Pats and the Cowboys for a RB. It turned out they were targeting a LB in round one and they were content to use their first choice in round two, which was ahead of the Cowboys, as it remained, on a RB.

I agree it would have been more dramatic had the Broncos traded with Washington when Washington was on the clock.

I agree the situation is similar to the Texans and CBs, or even WRs last year, with Charles Roger. We will never know if the Texans would have taken DeAngelo Hall this year, or Charles Rogers last year.

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But it still wouldn't change the fact that Jones was invited to Dallas for an interview (as well as interviewing his brother Thomas during the free agency period) before the draft and Bell wasn't.
It is obviously to a teams advantage to keep their intentions confidential, to avoid teams trading ahead of them and taking their pick (while we will never know, CC has suggested he became aware of other teams interests and traded up for Babin). Accordingly, I don't find the information you've suggested about interviews to be compelling.
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But it still wouldn't change the fact that Jones was invited to Dallas for an interview (as well as interviewing his brother Thomas during the free agency period) before the draft and Bell wasn't.
Cowboys bring Tatum Bell in for workout (4/9/2004).
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Workouts scheduled: The Cowboys' focus this week has been on the NFL draft, and today the team will host roughly 25 players with local ties, including Oklahoma State running back Tatum Bell.

According to league rules, the Cowboys can bring in as many players as they want from the Dallas-Fort Worth area for workouts.

In addition to Bell, who ran a 4.37-second 40-yard dash at the league combine in February, TCU defensive end Bo Schobel (Columbus), Northwestern Oklahoma wide receiver Patrick Crayton (DeSoto) and Texas Tech center Toby Cecil (Richardson) will attend. Next week, the Cowboys figure to bring in 20 more players from across the country for a visits.
Now I see the irony.
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The Broncos acquired the 41st pick previously held by Washington, a pick ahead of Dallas' original second round pick, 52. The Broncos original second round pick, pick 54, was behind the Cowboys. The trade with the Bills didn't change the fact that the Broncos were still ahead of the Cowboys in the second round.

During the draft coverage. I believe there was speculation that the Broncos traded with Cincinnati to move up ahead of the Pats and the Cowboys for a RB. It turned out they were targeting a LB in round one and they were content to use their first choice in round two, which was ahead of the Cowboys, as it remained, on a RB.

I agree it would have been more dramatic had the Broncos traded with Washington when Washington was on the clock.
So you agree that the Broncos didn't neccessarily trade up in order to get Tatum Bell. How could they have known back in March (when they aquired that 2nd rounder) that he'd even be available? I mean if they really wanted Bell, why not package their two 2nd rounders to move up to ensure they got him?

You've also already stated that the Broncos know what they're doing when drafting runningbacks. If so, how did Dallas goof by passing on Jackson, Kevin Jones and Perry in the first when the Broncos did the same thing (when it was speculated they traded ahead of New England and Dallas in the first to have their choice of RBs)?

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I agree the situation is similar to the Texans and CBs, or even WRs last year, with Charles Roger. We will never know if the Texans would have taken DeAngelo Hall this year, or Charles Rogers last year.
Agreed. And I would guess you'd also agree that it'd be pretty stupid of me to come on here and claim that the Texans "settled" for both Andre Johnson and Dunta Robinson simply because they weren't in a position to be able to draft either Charles Rogers or Deangelo Hall.

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It is obviously to a teams advantage to keep their intentions confidential, to avoid teams trading ahead of them and taking their pick (while we will never know, CC has suggested he became aware of other teams interests and traded up for Babin). Accordingly, I don't find the information you've suggested about interviews to be compelling.
Again...agreed. If it were only the interview, I'd agree on the 2nd part as well. And you'll have to forgive me for not buying into your theory that Dallas really wanted Tatum Bell...they just weren't in a position to draft him (wait a second, wouldn't that be like me claiming the Texans really wanted Charles Rogers and Deangelo Hall?).
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Good find, Lucky. But apparently being brought in for workouts/interviews has been ruled out as showing interest. Although Patrick Crayton (one of the players mentioned in that piece) was drafted by Dallas (7th round). It'd also be too easy to point out that Bell might have been brought in simply because he fell under the leauge's "local ties" policy.
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Good find Lucky. I appreciate the effort and clarity it brings..
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2,000 would be awsome, no doubt. But as long as the Texans make the playoffs I don't care if he has 1000 or 2000, just as long as Houston wins. Setting the goal for 2,000 is great though. The offensive line will take great pride in helping pave the way for Davis to do it and, of course, Davis would take great pride in getting the 2,000. If they are all serious about doing it, then they have a good chance to get it done.
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Things we've learned from this thread:

Domanick Davis will be hard pressed to get 2000 yards rushing.
Clinton Portis is good.
So are the guys who ran for over 2000 yards.
Some of the greatest backs never ran for 2000 yards.
No RB ran for 2000 yards twice.
The Texans did not attempt to trade up to draft Wilfork. We don't think.
Dallas may or may not have drafted Tatum Bell had they the opportunity.
Irony can come back to bite you in the arse.
Dallas is the home of the Devil team from the North (Wait. We already knew that).

Now on to something we, or at least I, don't know. What's up with that little green box in the NE corner of a post? Do I want to be on a distinguished road? What happens if I decide to go off road? Is everyone here licensed?
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Dominick will get 1999 and receive a new nickname, Little Prince.
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Do I want to be on a distinguished road? What happens if I decide to go off road? Is everyone here licensed?

I have no idea, but it's gotta be better than going on an EXtinguished road.

And the scales of justice on every post are a new thing too, right?
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2000 yards combined rushing & receiving? It's possible, though I expect Hollings to get some of that action. I'm thinking DD gets about 275 carries for about 1250 yards with Hollings getting maybe 120 carries for about 600 yards. Not quite 2000 between them, but still formidable.
I really see this is the more likely 2000 yards, 1400 to 1600 on the ground, and 500 to 600 in receptions.
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How he does may well depend on how quicly the OL picks up on Pendry's zone blocking scheme.
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Accordingly, I don't find the information you've suggested about interviews to be compelling.
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How he does may well depend on how quicly the OL picks up on Pendry's zone blocking scheme.
I agree. Dominick is the real deal, but the results will be largely determined by the OL. I think it will be fasinating to watch the OL evolve this summer.

Will Pendry just plug in a LG, or will he shake up the whole mix?

Will the zone blocking system better suit the existing OL talent?

I'm looking forward to watching the story unfold.
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Earl had 1934 yards in 14 games (I think). He was sooo close.

Hollings will get more touches than most of you think. Bottom line is Dom is still has yet to prove his durability and I doubt we give him too many carries. I don't see 2k for him really.
Ogre is correct that Earl got that in a 16 game season, but because of injury I assume, Earl only played 15 games that year--barring that he had it.
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Will Pendry just plug in a LG, or will he shake up the whole mix?
Given today's news, the answer MAY be shake up the whole mix.
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