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Old 11-25-2007   #1
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I do admit I don't ever hear his name and minus the sacks, he looks to be playing up to par as far as tackles (statwise)

http://www.nfl.com/players/anthonywe...e?id=WEA508538

and with that i was just trying to see how much we are paying the guy (I am not saying he isn't working hard, it is just that i hardly hear his name called out)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364565

this article was a couple of years ago

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Weaver, 25, is considered an emerging defender who seems ready to elevate his game. He is better against the run than the pass but has improved his pass-rush skills. He played in just 10 games, with eight starts, in 2005 because of back and toe injuries. But Weaver, who has missed just one game in his first three NFL seasons, was healthy by the end of the season, and is health is not a concern to Houston officials. Weaver finished with 46 tackles and two sacks in 2005.

For his career, Weaver, a second-round choice in 2002, has 237 tackles, 14˝ sacks, six forced fumbles and four recoveries. He has appeared in 57 games and started in 54 of them.
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Contract details of the multi-year deal were not immediately available. But league sources said Weaver, a player clearly targeted by the Texans for an early free agency strike, could sign a deal that averages in the $5 million range and includes an eight-figure signing bonus
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I like Weaver as a person, he seems well spoken and intelligent in interviews. But for what we paid him he's not living up to the contract.

We knew he wouldn't be pressuring the passer too much when we signed him but he was supposed to be the premier run stuffing DE in the league when we got him and I dont see that either judging by our run defense. I know one player doesn't equal a team but something's gotta give.
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I like Weaver as a person, he seems well spoken and intelligent in interviews. But for what we paid him he's not living up to the contract.

We knew he wouldn't be pressuring the passer too much when we signed him but he was supposed to be the premier run stuffing DE in the league when we got him and I dont see that either judging by our run defense. I know one player doesn't equal a team but something's gotta give.
exactly and I don't know what it is, scheme that we are running or was it fools gold being he was surrounded by pretty good talent in baltimore (reed,lewis,boulware,mccallister)
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I think most of our problems lie in the schemes we run.
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Default Re: Anthony Weaver

It seems to me that although Weaver is servicable, particularly in the run game, that is not what we need from our DE (especially opposite Mario) what would help the defense more than anything, and seems to be the main missing component missing from our defense, is a true speed edge rusher, someone with a little bit of explosiveness off the ball, maybe with a few flaws even as long as they can provide a little bit of that quick explosion that seems to be the only thing really missing from marios game
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It seems to me that although Weaver is servicable, particularly in the run game, that is not what we need from our DE (especially opposite Mario) what would help the defense more than anything, and seems to be the main missing component missing from our defense, is a true speed edge rusher, someone with a little bit of explosiveness off the ball, maybe with a few flaws even as long as they can provide a little bit of that quick explosion that seems to be the only thing really missing from marios game
The problem is that we say this every year and we end up taking a defensive lineman in the draft.

Don't get me wrong I completely agree with you, but maybe it's the scheme more than the players. Richard Smith seems content with allowing our front four to rush the pass with little help from the linebackers and secondary. Just about every team we play blitzes the hell outta us. We can have tons of talent and potential on the defensive front, but if you want to increase the number of sacks you have to let the dogs out of the gate.

Bottomline, our secondary isn't good enough to create a lot of coverage sacks so we need to bring the heat. Why Richard Smith hasn't figured this out is beyond me.
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Default Re: Anthony Weaver

I definitely dont want to spend another high round pick on a DE, but i wouldnt mind maybe a project type athlete of a DE in a later round, seems like there are a lot of those un-polished "athletes" out there that could help with the pass rush, also i really wouldnt mind seeing charlie anderson play a little bit, whenever i have seen him play the guy just seems explosive, not that it would matter if we are playing the same vanilla defense, but does anyone else have opinions on charlie? the little ive seen him play seems like he could be effective in the pass rush from the LB position
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exactly and I don't know what it is, scheme that we are running or was it fools gold being he was surrounded by pretty good talent in baltimore (reed,lewis,boulware,mccallister)

No the problem was Casserly, he never understood what made a great FA signing. He continued to hand out big player money to average players. Robaire Smith, Morlon Greenwood (misplaced as a MLB in a 3-4) on defense, and my favorite the three LT paid RTs he brought in, Todd Wadd, Zach Weigart, and my favorite Victor Riley (OK he did not get huge money, but Casserly brought in a RT to be LT for the 3rd time).

Think of Weaver as Casserly's swan song. His last big splash.

And yes I think we need to move Mario to the LDE and let Weaver go, why because of his cost.

I found a post from the old houstonprofootball.com archive (they updated server and lost the ability to search some of the real old stuff, IIRC) It's a fun read but it a long thread and it goes everywhere, so travel at your own risk http://www.houstonprofootball.com/fo...hp?t-5715.html

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Here are Weaver's base salaries per NFLPA:

2006 1000000.00
2007 2500000.00
2008 3500000.00
2009 3500000.00
2010 4000000.00

Add in his $12M bonus, and this total matches the reported $26.5M total contract value. I'll estimate Weaver's 2006 cap figure at $3.4M when I update it later tonight.

Weaver's cap figure next year presumably jumps up to $4.9M in 2007 and $5.9M in 2008-09. Yeow.
If you cut Weaver after May 1, then you can spread the cap hit out to 2 years, which saves the team money next season against the cap. So if the team is as unhappy with Weaver as I am, he will not be a Texan next opening day.
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...but i wouldnt mind maybe a project type athlete of a DE in a later round, seems like there are a lot of those un-polished "athletes" out there that could help with the pass rush,
One Mario is enough, thank you.
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I definitely dont want to spend another high round pick on a DE, but i wouldnt mind maybe a project type athlete of a DE in a later round, seems like there are a lot of those un-polished "athletes" out there that could help with the pass rush, also i really wouldnt mind seeing charlie anderson play a little bit, whenever i have seen him play the guy just seems explosive, not that it would matter if we are playing the same vanilla defense, but does anyone else have opinions on charlie? the little ive seen him play seems like he could be effective in the pass rush from the LB position
I guess we should have kept Babin!
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I guess we should have kept Babin!
How is Babin doing this year?

Imagine how much better we would be doing with all his 2 games played and 0 tackles and 0 sacks.
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I would like to see them add a speed rusher at the RE, move MW to LE - where he says is more comfortable, and move Weaver down to the DT rotation. On passing downs having MW, Weaver, Okoye, and a speed DE could definitely beef up the pass rush. Against running teams like the Titans, you could go MW, Okoye, TW, and Weaver for more size.
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I would like to see them add a speed rusher at the RE, move MW to LE
That's the formula. He's a strongside DE, we've known that from Day 1 and now that he's starting to play with some confidence, a little more production
it's a change I'm expecting next year. And we need a pass rusher on the
weakside, even if just a 3rd down specialists.
Now I dunno what we do with Weaver ? Big problem of course is he's got a big cap-number.
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I guess we should have kept Babin!
The differenced being all of the draft picks we gave up for Babin, wheras we could probably find someone more athletic and more explosive, albeit less polished perhaps, in the 4th or 5th round
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Maybe we can draft Chris Long from UVA in this years draft.
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The differenced being all of the draft picks we gave up for Babin, wheras we could probably find someone more athletic and more explosive, albeit less polished perhaps, in the 4th or 5th round
I can't understand why people keep bringing up how much we gave up for him. So what we paid WAY too much for him? After we drafted him, that's a moot point. After someone get's drafted, they are a player on your team, and if they contribute, they shouldn't continuously be compared to where they were drafted. Ok, Babin was a reach, but if he was a decent player, there's NO reason to let him go, JUST because he was drafted too high and with too many draft picks. I don't think GMs say "Hmmm, this guy was drafted in the first round, but's playing like a second rounder...let him go, he's not playing to his potential." If the player contributes, there's no reason to let them go, no matter how much you paid for them, unless the GM has an urge to hide their mistakes.
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I can't understand why people keep bringing up how much we gave up for him. So what we paid WAY too much for him? After we drafted him, that's a moot point. After someone get's drafted, they are a player on your team, and if they contribute, they shouldn't continuously be compared to where they were drafted. Ok, Babin was a reach, but if he was a decent player, there's NO reason to let him go, JUST because he was drafted too high and with too many draft picks. I don't think GMs say "Hmmm, this guy was drafted in the first round, but's playing like a second rounder...let him go, he's not playing to his potential." If the player contributes, there's no reason to let them go, no matter how much you paid for them, unless the GM has an urge to hide their mistakes.
Performance=Draft Status=Pay=Performance=Pay

Babin played well enough in collage to earn him a higher draft status which enabled him to get paid for that status. He however performed at a level well beneath his pay. I'm sure GM's say "Hmmm this guy is making 1st rounder money but performing like 6th rounder." Getting rid of said player is admitting a mistake.
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I'd like to see Maddox in more on the Defense. When he does play he seems to make big plays. I think the reason you don't see him as much is b/c of Okoye and TJ at this position. I think he's more of a force than atleast TJ and has more exp. at the position over Okoye.
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I'd like to see Maddox in more on the Defense. When he does play he seems to make big plays. I think the reason you don't see him as much is b/c of Okoye and TJ at this position. I think he's more of a force than atleast TJ and has more exp. at the position over Okoye.
I don't think so. TJ has out performed all of the DTs. I have no problem with his play. Okoye will get better, Zgonina is a patch and Maddox is a backup at best.

Let's face it. We need upgrades all over the roster. We need to quit relying on patches.
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I don't think so. TJ has out performed all of the DTs. I have no problem with his play. Okoye will get better, Zgonina is a patch and Maddox is a backup at best.

Let's face it. We need upgrades all over the roster. We need to quit relying on patches.
I don't know about him out performing anyone and I do agree we need upgrades. I like maddox as a back up and thats what he is. Even as a back up though he's recorded 11 tackles and 2 sacks. Thats not bad for a back up.
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