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Old 11-19-2007   #81
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If Reggie Bush is able to carry the ball 250 times in a season and average 3.8 YPC, I'll consider him an average RB. As of right now, he is not even as good as DD was for us. DD averaged much better on the ground, and did everything Bush is doing out of the backfield - and fans here bagged on DD for most of his career. Bush has below average results across the board right now. Period. You can try and spin it any way you want, but the results are clear for everyone to see.
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| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
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| 2003 hou | 14 | 238 1031 4.3 8 | 47 351 7.5 0 |
| 2004 hou | 15 | 302 1188 3.9 13 | 68 588 8.6 1 |
| 2005 hou | 11 | 230 976 4.2 2 | 39 337 8.6 4 |
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| TOTAL | 40 | 770 3195 4.1 23 | 154 1276 8.3 5 |
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Maybe #2 on aggregate yardage, but there are 100's of folks with a higher average YAC.
He may have been #2 in yards after catch prior to week 10, but now Reggie trails Westbrook, Ronnie Brown, Tomlinson, and Wes Welker. Actually, Ronnie Brown hasn't played in a while. So, Bush could have been no better than 3rd in YAC total.

I'm surprised at how poorly Bush has done, thus far. He was better at USC. He ran harder, he was more decisive. I don't know if it's about getting paid, not adjusting to the speed of the game, or being intimidated by NFL caliber athletes. But, this is not the same Reggie Bush.
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He may have been #2 in yards after catch prior to week 10, but now Reggie trails Westbrook, Ronnie Brown, Tomlinson, and Wes Welker. Actually, Ronnie Brown hasn't played in a while. So, Bush could have been no better than 3rd in YAC total.

I'm surprised at how poorly Bush has done, thus far. He was better at USC. He ran harder, he was more decisive. I don't know if it's about getting paid, not adjusting to the speed of the game, or being intimidated by NFL caliber athletes. But, this is not the same Reggie Bush.
Sorry Lucky, he was getting paid at USC and his family lived quite well!

Also, 11 yards of his carries came when the A'ints held on his run of 3rd and 20 and they declined the penalty!
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I personally think Bush hasn't adjusted to the nfl game. college he could get by with bouncing out side and using his speed to get around defenders, in the NFL almost everyone runs a 4.5 or so and know how to use angles to get to the faster backs

and not being able to run between the tackles... really hurts the saints

maybe some are seeing what Pete Carroll saw on that key 4th-1 against Texas and had White in there instead of Bush.. I am not sure
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What a thread.

Me thinks Texans fans have taken a lot of heat over drafts....and still do.

Criticism is cheap. Bush is an okay player, who is on a team of okay players that are in a 100% free-fall. Sound familiar?
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He was better at USC. He ran harder, he was more decisive. I don't know if it's about getting paid, not adjusting to the speed of the game, or being intimidated by NFL caliber athletes. But, this is not the same Reggie Bush.
Anybody is better at USC playing teams like Fresno State instead of NFL competition. And I do think he is intimated, very intimated by NFL competition.
I saw one play where Bush flat went down without contact in the open field
and made no attempt to get back on his feet. And he wasn't injured on the play.
Truth is after seeing Bush play in person, I found a new appreciation for him.
He is a talented perimiter player who could be valuable to a team, certainly our team, as a slot or even flanker receiver.And he'd be excellent running
reverses and taking hand-offs now and then as a tailback. But IMO he's totally inept as an NFL teams feature running back.
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I saw one play where Bush flat went down without contact in the open field
and made no attempt to get back on his feet. And he wasn't injured on the play.
... and the Saints fans booed him royally. He is afraid of contact.
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Bush is an okay player, who is on a team of okay players that are in a 100% free-fall. Sound familiar?
Not really, who are you referring too.
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The only PEOPLE Reggie Bush has to prove anything too is his agent and his acting coach!! He's making milllions with all the endorcements he has going. That seems to be his priority, not playing the game of football. He obviously has some physical talent, but, that means nothing when he can't control his enormous ego!! JMO!!

I bet he's already priming himself for "dancing with the stars."
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Criticism may be cheap, but payback is a b*tch.

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... and the Saints fans booed him royally. He is afraid of contact.
I remember that and it was really funny. Right in the middle of the field, everyone in the stadium was like..'whaatt!!??' Even the saints fans (which were too numerous) were laughing.


Bottom line is Reggie Bush was better at USC, but there isn't anything wrong with that. He won the heisman trophy because he was the best player (some would argue vince young and that's understandable) but I think it's from Reggie's rushing, receiving, and Return skills that put him above VY.

Reggie relied on his speed and insane, almost impossible, ways of faking out players. This works really well in college but the Pro's are a completely different league. Now he's playing against the best of the best and his speed alone won't make him the dominant player everyone expects. You could see from Sunday that he definitly can still make a lot of guys miss...but chances are in the NFL there will be a DL, a LB, and a CB coming in to help a lot more than in college.
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I remember that and it was really funny. Right in the middle of the field, everyone in the stadium was like..'whaatt!!??' Even the saints fans (which were too numerous) were laughing.


Bottom line is Reggie Bush was better at USC, but there isn't anything wrong with that. He won the heisman trophy because he was the best player (some would argue vince young and that's understandable) but I think it's from Reggie's rushing, receiving, and Return skills that put him above VY.

Reggie relied on his speed and insane, almost impossible, ways of faking out players. This works really well in college but the Pro's are a completely different league. Now he's playing against the best of the best and his speed alone won't make him the dominant player everyone expects. You could see from Sunday that he definitly can still make a lot of guys miss...but chances are in the NFL there will be a DL, a LB, and a CB coming in to help a lot more than in college.
notre dame game gave Reggie the Heisman

But what is kinda weird with the heisman (aka best college football player), is for some reason, it doesn't translates to NFL ..just saying because seems alot of trophy winners don't do it in the nfl now
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Bush doesn't "suck"

Bush has woefully underachieved

Bush is not worth the money he is being paid

Bush cannot be an every down back

Bush is a decent receiver

Bush has too little gap patience

Bush's vision is average - there are times where he does use good vision

The offensive line with Faine and Stinch in and Brown out is not much of a line

Many Saints fans agree that Bush has talent, does not "suck", but is sorely disappointed because he hasn't come close to reaching the expectations set forth by the NFL, the organization, and Bush himself

You can tear him down as much as you like, the fact is, there aren't a lot of Saints fans that would disagree with most of the criticisms being leveled at him.
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Bush doesn't "suck"

Bush has woefully underachieved

Bush is not worth the money he is being paid

Bush cannot be an every down back

Bush is a decent receiver

Bush has too little gap patience

Bush's vision is average - there are times where he does use good vision

The offensive line with Faine and Stinch in and Brown out is not much of a line

Many Saints fans agree that Bush has talent, does not "suck", but is sorely disappointed because he hasn't come close to reaching the expectations set forth by the NFL, the organization, and Bush himself

You can tear him down as much as you like, the fact is, there aren't a lot of Saints fans that would disagree with most of the criticisms being leveled at him.
I think what you are seeing is Texan fans enjoying this because for 2 years we (Texan fans in everyday workplace and the franchise(by about every journalist and esp. ESPiN)) have been bashed over and over about Mario Williams ...and yet with Bush underachieving, no one has heard retraction from any journalist about the "once in a generation back"

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Not really, who are you referring too.
Easy. Virtually every position on the Texans roster for almost six years <.500 (including the trainers and coaches).

Yes, there have been a few exceptions. Let me step out of the way so you can point them out to me.

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I think what you are seeing is Texan fans enjoying this because for 2 years we (Texan fans in everyday workplace and the franchise(by about every journalist and esp. ESPiN) have been bashed over and over about Mario Williams ...and yet with Bush underachieving, no one has heard retraction from any journalist about the "once in a generation back"
I agree whole-heartedly.
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I think what you are seeing is Texan fans enjoying this because for 2 years we (Texan fans in everyday workplace and the franchise(by about every journalist and esp. ESPiN) have been bashed over and over about Mario Williams ...and yet with Bush underachieving, no one has heard retraction from any journalist about the "once in a generation back"
Good post Wolf... I think you summed it up pretty well, except that I would add that fans from other teams bashed us as well on their message boards and such.

I might also add that some folks beleived that Reggie was over-rated at USC... Some people *ahem* truly thought that it would be LenDale White (fat jokes aside) that would be the more productive back in the NFL..
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I think what you are seeing is Texan fans enjoying this because for 2 years we (Texan fans in everyday workplace and the franchise(by about every journalist and esp. ESPiN)) have been bashed over and over about Mario Williams ...and yet with Bush underachieving, no one has heard retraction from any journalist about the "once in a generation back"
Whoa....I really hope your not my mother because you can definitely read my thoughts.
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not even 50 yards rushing ?Wow!Nice tackle Reggie(on Von Huchins)!He knows he wanted to run for 400 yards on us but then ...there was Mario.
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Bush isn't to be mentioned in the same conversation with those guys. I never really saw him bang it up the middle in college either. He just had alot more space to dance in college. No dancing in the NFL.
Those guys didnt run scared, Reggie does. Once he is hit, its over and he looks for the ground. Not what you want from a running back.
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Easy. Virtually every position on the Texans roster for almost six years <.500 (including the trainers and coaches).

Yes, there have been a few exceptions. Let me step out of the way so you can point them out to me.
The good players on this team, stuck on this team.....(very few players that have left and were cut from this team went on to have success....very few)..I still don't get what your trying to say.......you also just compared a team that went to the NFC championship to previous crappy Texans teams...???
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