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Old 11-13-2007   #1
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Default Anyone Care to Re-visit the Babin-for-Boulware Trade?

Thinking of Morency/Gado got me thinking about Rick's Smith's latest player-for-player trade.

How's that working out for us?

I understand that the Texans were short-handed at safety. And they were a little stacked at the tweener DE/OLB position.

However, and I believe this held true for the Morency/Gado trade as well - that you aren't going to get more help out of a guy who wasn't in training camp with you. So why trade the guy who was? I think this has been especially noticeable with Boulware, who has rarely showed his face outside of special teams.

However, I concede that it's quite possible that Babin could have spent a great number of game days inactive, a la Shantee Orr. So he could have just been wasting a roster spot.

Thoughts? My TV is on the fritz and my new one is too heavy for me to take out of the box, so I need some entertainment this evening.
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I believe the trade was a wash and I don't think babin has done much in Seattle... so, meh.

But for what it's worth, I think Babin would have produced more here than boulware has.

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Thinking of Morency/Gado got me thinking about Rick's Smith's latest player-for-player trade.

How's that working out for us?

I understand that the Texans were short-handed at safety. And they were a little stacked at the tweener DE/OLB position.

However, and I believe this held true for the Morency/Gado trade as well - that you aren't going to get more help out of a guy who wasn't in training camp with you. So why trade the guy who was? I think this has been especially noticeable with Boulware, who has rarely showed his face outside of special teams.

However, I concede that it's quite possible that Babin could have spent a great number of game days inactive, a la Shantee Orr. So he could have just been wasting a roster spot.

Thoughts? My TV is on the fritz and my new one is too heavy for me to take out of the box, so I need some entertainment this evening.
I dont think Babin has played for the Hawks yet
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Default Re: Anyone Care to Re-visit the Babin-for-Boulware Trade?

So if Babin hasn't contributed for the Seahawks and Boulware hasn't contributed for the Texans, it seems like it was a negative trade for both teams.
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So if Babin hasn't contributed for the Seahawks and Boulware hasn't contributed for the Texans, it seems like it was a negative trade for both teams.
Except for the fact that Boulware has contributed to the Texans.
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Except for the fact that Boulware has contributed to the Texans.
Boulware has seen the field in all 9 games this year & has 5 tackles.
http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelbo...s?id=BOU338982

Babin has only played in 2 games (both blowouts) this year & hasnt recorded any stats.
http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonbabi...s?id=BAB714004
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Except for the fact that Boulware has contributed to the Texans.
I assume you are referring to special teams play. He did cause a fumble early on on a kick return I believe. It also seems that when good things happen on ST, he's usually right there. So, yeah, I would agree Boulware has contributed. (except against the Colts)
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Default Re: Anyone Care to Re-visit the Babin-for-Boulware Trade?

Boulware also blocked an XP or a FG I think.
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Default Re: Anyone Care to Re-visit the Babin-for-Boulware Trade?

So at this point last year, Babin's stats for the Texans were better than they are this year for the Seahawks and Boulware's were better for the Seahawks than they are this year for the Texans.

I'm thinking that training camp is a good thing.
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Default Re: Anyone Care to Re-visit the Babin-for-Boulware Trade?

Babin hasn't produced a whole lot in Seattle. With that said, watching Dallas Clark abuse Boulware just about sums it up for me. I would have kept Babin.
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Tulip just wondering what the point of all of this is. The Guy wasn't kevin Green, was never going to be Kevin Green and we don't run the 3-4 anymore. The guy had hit his ceiling. What we spent to get him, that there thingy was a bust. The sooner he was out the door the sooner the team could lick it's wounds. the fact that we got anything at all for him was a positive for me.
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we lost so far.. anyone who says 'oh neither has produced so its a draw' is kidding themselves.. babin would be contributing alot more to us than boulware is
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we lost so far.. anyone who says 'oh neither has produced so its a draw' is kidding themselves.. babin would be contributing alot more to us than boulware is
How would Babin have contributed?

He was likely to see the field about as much as Shantee Orr has, and that hasn't been enough to do much. He isn't seeing the field in Seattle, a team who runs a system more suited to his playing style and a team that stil needs D-line help.

I'll just add Babin to the overrated former Texans list, he can keep Morency company on it.
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How would Babin have contributed?

He was likely to see the field about as much as Shantee Orr has, and that hasn't been enough to do much. He isn't seeing the field in Seattle, a team who runs a system more suited to his playing style and a team that stil needs D-line help.

I'll just add Babin to the overrated former Texans list, he can keep Morency company on it.
because hes a much better de than orr so he
1) would see the field more
2) would be making more impact than orr

he isnt seeing the field in seattle because tapp is a very good pass rusher.. stay in denial if you want but we lost on both the babin and morency trades
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because hes a much better de than orr so he
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2) would be making more impact than orr

he isnt seeing the field in seattle because tapp is a very good pass rusher.. stay in denial if you want but we lost on both the babin and morency trades
So you think Babin would see the field more over Mario Williams, Anthony Weaver, ND Kalu, or Earl Cochran? Sorry as a 4-3 DE Babin would not beat out any of those four. Just like he cannot crack the line-up in Seattle.

As for the Morency trade, we traded a scrub for a another scrub. Green Bay has been so impressed with Morency's play that they the went and traded a draft pick, soemthing that is more valuable then Gado or Morency, for Ryan Grant. Yup, Morency must sure be lighting it up in Green Bay. Atleast we didn't give up a draft pick to get Gado.
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because hes a much better de than orr so he
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2) would be making more impact than orr

he isnt seeing the field in seattle because tapp is a very good pass rusher.. stay in denial if you want but we lost on both the babin and morency trades
the Texans lost on both draft picks, different regime, Kubiak/Smith are in still clean-up mode.
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Babin hasn't produced a whole lot in Seattle. With that said, watching Dallas Clark abuse Boulware just about sums it up for me. I would have kept Babin.
Clark abuses lots of safeties, you shouldn't hold that against him.
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Babin was traded so that we could shore up a snake-bitten FS position. If you guys remember, Glenn Earl and Jason Simmons both hurt themselves (Season-ending too, if I remember right) in pre-season. We had too many DE's at the time, and I believe that Jason Babin was just the odd man out.

Boulware has contributed some, but did get badly burned by Dallas Clark. Jason Babin hasn't made it onto the field more than a handful of times. If that. He's just there to be insurance for Tapp going down. He was just a victim of a team needing to grab one position at the expense of another. If he had performed better in his time here, he probably wouldn't have had to worry about such a situation happening.

I see the trade as just a blip on the radar of this season, and I'm really just indifferent as the results haven't impacted anybody so far.
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Boulware, I believe, was more than an attempt to plug a hole this year. I think they like him and see him as someone who can beat out Glenn Earl at SS. Babin was gone after this year, regardless. So, I'd say the can't be graded yet.
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So you think Babin would see the field more over Mario Williams, Anthony Weaver, ND Kalu, or Earl Cochran? Sorry as a 4-3 DE Babin would not beat out any of those four. Just like he cannot crack the line-up in Seattle.

yep just like he did last year.. and was playing even better this year.. and seattle just have better de's than us- pretty simple really

As for the Morency trade, we traded a scrub for a another scrub. Green Bay has been so impressed with Morency's play that they the went and traded a draft pick, soemthing that is more valuable then Gado or Morency, for Ryan Grant. Yup, Morency must sure be lighting it up in Green Bay. Atleast we didn't give up a draft pick to get Gado.
hey i never said morency was great but hes a good bit better than gado.. you cant hold the fact that GB got a pretty good rb in addition to him as a reason the trade was good for us...

anyway its not really worth arguing cos it seems you have it in your head the texans can do no wrong and have to justify that despite the reality.. thats alright but we did lose on both trades- were they huge franchise- changing loses? no but it still would be nice if we hadn't made them...

we've done ok on most of the big decisions so far, namely

mario V vince V reggie
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