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Old 11-08-2007   #1
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The Houston Rockets have switch philosophies after years as a defensive minded team. This has led to a 4-1 record with another W probable Friday against Bucks. Why should the Texans do the same?

Increases fan excitement and should bring more national attention. I think it builds team morale. What player wants to lose 0-7? 31- 38, yeah still a loss but allows the defense to believe they don't have to pitch a shut out.

1. If they end up with top 10 spot in draft, trade down and pick up a Ryan Clady for LT and pick up a 2nd.
2. Best back available to support Green and maybe Eche or maybe start?
3. Best WR. Andre Davis has looked good but injuries and Mathis as a ? @WR. AJ, Walters, JJ, Davis and 3rd fight it out. Davis maybe as KR if not Mathis.
4. Center, it would be nice if we could cut Flannagan & McKinney. White is a ?
5. Best OT available. Hopefull C.S. will be there but we need line for Schaub and RBs.

Defense may win championships but we have not even smelled 50-50.

We can address CB and maybe FS in off season. Maybe look for another RB if Eche does not work out.
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3rd pick a WR and we only have 5 picks? I'll take some of what you're smoking
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Why would you pick up two OT's? Winston is locked in at RT. Fine, pick up a LT. Now you have Spencer and Frye as young guys. Why is a 5th round rookie (where you get people like, umm, Brandon Frye) going to be better than either of them?

Kubiak is talking about going to 4 and 5 WR sets when AJ gets back because of all the talent at WR and you add another one of those rather than a DB? Not seeing it.
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I want us to go:

OL/RB/DB/LB/DB .....not necessarily in that order either. Maybe fill some of that in FA.
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Before there is a trade there has to be value over and above what is not sliding down the draft board. Now, there will be four or five guys at the top of the board who teams will really covet. But as we saw in the '06 draft, everyone is going to get prety healthy with the first round this year. Everyone who stands pat will hit a need with a high end prospect. So....prety much except the guess that a move down deal for the Texans is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow in '08. We aren't in all probablity , getting the second back. What we could do is Keep moving back and collecting picks untill the value hits the need. Bill Walsh did it one draft and built the back bone of a Dynasty. In order for that to happen for the Texans, Mr. McNair would have to come out and Give Kubes a high vote of confidence. Meaning, I'm not going to fire you in the next three years. Coach Kubiak is not on a short leash. He needs time. We have a lot of holes. Always easier to fire the seven than the fifty three though.
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How come everyday I get on the boards you have come up with a new approach?

It would be nice to trade down but it is doubtful. Also, there are no defensive backs at all drafted here. I would be red hot mad if we ended with that scenario.
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Why would you pick up two OT's? Winston is locked in at RT. Fine, pick up a LT. Now you have Spencer and Frye as young guys. Why is a 5th round rookie (where you get people like, umm, Brandon Frye) going to be better than either of them?

Kubiak is talking about going to 4 and 5 WR sets when AJ gets back because of all the talent at WR and you add another one of those rather than a DB? Not seeing it.
Well I'm kinda with him. The o-line dominated Oakland. And they may dominte New Orleans. But then there's Tennesse. And from what I've seen so far the last six years...we aren't going to dominate tennesse's front seven. We aren't going to dominate Indidanpolisis' front seven. And we got embarrssed by the jags. So it may not be functional as you point out. But the guy is making the same point I've been tring to make the last five years. This O line is ok. This o-line will get you to 500. But this o-line is not taking you to the playoffs or past the colts anytime soon. If they spent everypick in the bag on o-lineman to come away with eight who can play, I won't squawk. Fine to take the second day guys and wait for them to devlope...take gambles on aged free agents...but the simple fact is, Tennesee and Indi have already rebult their o-lines twice now and we can't get out of the gate. Something has to change. The price on switching the prodigal QB's is quite high there in case you haven't noticed. Gonna be a hoot this time sitting in the second and watching all the what if guys go by. Just me, something needs to change.
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Well I'm kinda with him. The o-line dominated Oakland. And they may dominte New Orleans. But then there's Tennesse. And from what I've seen so far the last six years...we aren't going to dominate tennesse's front seven. We aren't going to dominate Indidanpolisis' front seven. And we got embarrssed by the jags. So it may not be functional as you point out. But the guy is making the same point I've been tring to make the last five years. This so line is ok. This o-line will get you to 500. But this o-line is not taking you to the playoffs or past the colts anytime soon. If they spent everypick in the bag on o-lineman to come away with eight who can play, I won't squak. Fine to take the second day guys and wait for them to devlope...take gambles on aged free agents...but the simple fact is, Tennesee and Indi have already rebult their o-lines twice now and we can't get out of the gate. Something has to change. The price on switching the prodigal QB's is quite high there in case you haven't noticed. Gonna be a hoot this time sitting in the second and watching all the what if guys go by. Just me, something needs to change.
But do you see our O-line problem worse or better than our DB situation?
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I think Walter has looked pretty good this year. WR is not one of the areas that I'm concerned about. O-line, RB, and secondary are our most pressing areas, IMO.
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The Houston Rockets have switch philosophies after years as a defensive minded team. This has led to a 4-1 record with another W probable Friday against Bucks. Why should the Texans do the same?

Increases fan excitement and should bring more national attention. I think it builds team morale. What player wants to lose 0-7? 31- 38, yeah still a loss but allows the defense to believe they don't have to pitch a shut out.

1. If they end up with top 10 spot in draft, trade down and pick up a Ryan Clady for LT and pick up a 2nd.
2. Best back available to support Green and maybe Eche or maybe start?
3. Best WR. Andre Davis has looked good but injuries and Mathis as a ? @WR. AJ, Walters, JJ, Davis and 3rd fight it out. Davis maybe as KR if not Mathis.
4. Center, it would be nice if we could cut Flannagan & McKinney. White is a ?
5. Best OT available. Hopefull C.S. will be there but we need line for Schaub and RBs.

Defense may win championships but we have not even smelled 50-50.

We can address CB and maybe FS in off season. Maybe look for another RB if Eche does not work out.
Yea great idea.

Let's just piss off the offense now by showing them that 31 points wont be enough to win.
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Let's just piss off the offense now by showing them that 31 points wont be enough to win.
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But do you see our O-line problem worse or better than our DB situation?
Oh of course the DB situation is worse. But then that is my point and has been for four years. It's always something. We always scrap by with the o-line. Yes we gotta have a high end corner. But we also need a high end center. Now most of those C guys will drop one, two, three, by the time our pick comes up in the third. So you have once agian the chioce of the guy from A & M or the guy from Marshall. Both nice guys. Both good prospcets, but both are two years away from bangning with the DTs in our division. See what I mean ? Or spend big bucks on a veteran . Or little bucks on a second-third year guy who can't break the line up on another team...like San Fransico's David Bass. It's always something though. Untill Manning retires or gets hurt the only way your going to consitantly challange the colts for the division crown is keeping the Bastard on the bench or getting to him. And very few d's get to him and that quick release.
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3. Best WR. Andre Davis has looked good but injuries and Mathis as a ? @WR. AJ, Walters, JJ, Davis and 3rd fight it out. Davis maybe as KR if not Mathis.
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WR has turned into a position of strength as opposed to a question mark at the beginning of the season and yes...I'll take some of what you're smoking too!
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The D Backfield was already one of our biggest areas of need BEFORE the season and maybe multiple-season ending injuries suffered by Dunta Robinson, who was far and away our best DBack, Sunday in Oakland.
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This O line is ok. This o-line will get you to 500. But this o-line is not taking you to the playoffs or past the colts anytime soon. If they spent everypick in the bag on o-lineman to come away with eight who can play, I won't squawk.
It's fine to say the OL needs help--that doesn't mean throw all your patches at the OL because there are other holes in the boat.

There is zero point in throwing picks at developmental talent if you aren't going to let that kind of talent develop. It's a numbers game for roster spots. Kick Black to the curb, there's one. 1st round LT, Salaam, Frye, Spencer. OK so you move Spencer to G. You still have three guys at the spot which is what they carry. You've got a rookie to start--what are you going to pick for your backups, two developmental guys and have no vet or keep the vet and one of the developmental guys never gets to develop.
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Oh of course the DB situation is worse. But then that is my point and has been for four years. It's always something. We always scrap by with the o-line. Yes we gotta have a high end corner. But we also need a high end center. Now most of those C guys will drop one, two, three, by he time our pick comes up in the third. So you have once agian the chioce of the guy from A & M or the guy from Marshall. Both nice guys. Both good prospcets, but both are two years away from bangning with the DTs in our division. See what I mean ? Or spend big bucks on a veteran . Or little bucks on a second-third year guy who can't break the line up on another team...like San Fransico's David Bass. It's always something though. Untill Manning retires or gets hurt the only way your going to consitantly challange the colts for the division crown is keeping the Bastard on the bench or getting to him. And very few d's get to him and that quick release.
I can agree with you, but would you go as far as to not draft a DB in the first 5 rounds...but instead draft 2 OL? I know if you drafted 1 and 1 you can't expect both to be starters, but you atleast have added some youth to the position don't you think. It's also good to grab a guy who may not start this year but can still bring something new to the position and hopefully start in later years.
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The D Backfield was already one of our biggest areas of need BEFORE the season and maybe multiple-season ending injuries suffered by Dunta Robinson, who was far and away our best DBack, Sunday in Oakland.
So your saying the DB situation is worse? I agree with you if you are.

threetoadpete: you can argue about not being able to match up with Colt's D line with our O-line but look at their receivers. They have two of the best and just spent another 1st on a guy who looks like he is going to take away the "Slot Machine" nickname from Stokley. We can't match up with them at all. When we meet them later this year we will have Bennett on Harrison or Wayne and FAGGINS on Harrison or Wayne. Then we've got VON HUTCHINS on Gonzalez or it could be Wayne or Harrison if they are putting one of those receivers in the slot. Then you've got Dallas Clark. Enough said.
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3rd pick a WR and we only have 5 picks? I'll take some of what you're smoking
With a trade down and getting a 2 we would have 7 picks. I only went with top 5. Do we need defense? Certainly. The purpose of the thread was to look at five selections to improve the offense, increase scoring and well read the thread. It was a what if to create discussion.
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With a trade down and getting a 2 we would have 7 picks. I only went with top 5. Do we need defense? Certainly. The purpose of the thread was to look at five selections to improve the offense, increase scoring and well read the thread. It was a what if to create discussion.
Well then it isn't realistic at all. If we need defense and there are no defensive players selected, it can't be in the least realistic.
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Why would you pick up two OT's? Winston is locked in at RT. Fine, pick up a LT. Now you have Spencer and Frye as young guys. Why is a 5th round rookie (where you get people like, umm, Brandon Frye) going to be better than either of them?

Kubiak is talking about going to 4 and 5 WR sets when AJ gets back because of all the talent at WR and you add another one of those rather than a DB? Not seeing it.
You do NOT have Spencer and Frye. You may have Spencer and Frye has not played, We have no idea what he will do. 5th may not be better but let them fight it out. We need to strengthen the Oline and Frye may or may not be better. I want to decrease the risk to Schaub. Folks, this thread was not what I want to do in draft. It was to talk about what if we change philosophy from D to A scoring offense. We have the QB and three good receivers, may be 4.

I think I addressed DB in FA with CB and a FS.
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