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Old 11-08-2007   #121
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At this point, Reggie Bush just might have cracked my top twenty of guys I would have selected. Joseph Addai and Santino Holmes would have helped our O more.

I can't figure out why we promised Mario so much money. We have the leverge - everybody thought we were picking Bush. Why couldn't get talk Mario's agent down - threatening to select Bush.
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1) b/c mario was already slated to go top 3 anyway so money wise there wasn't going to be much of a difference as far as negotiating goes, i.e. Mario 26.4 million guaranteed & VY 25.7 million.

2) The top 5 set the roof as far as the other 31 1st rounders go & it starts with the #1 overall. From then on, you see guys not signing until the guy ahead of them signs which believe it or not agents use this as leverage for their clients.

3) Agents just aren't that dumb (save for Ricky Williams' agent in '99), think about how disaterous it'd be for your firm, if someone who was drafted under your client signed for more guranteed money. Their job is to push the envelope in contract negotiations that's why the scott boras' & drew rosenhouses' are highly sought after guys.
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3 reasons:

1) b/c mario was already slated to go top 3 anyway so money wise there wasn't going to be much of a difference as far as negotiating goes, i.e. Mario 26.4 million guaranteed & VY 25.7 million.

2) The top 5 set the roof as far as the other 31 1st rounders go & it starts with the #1 overall. From then on, you see guys not signing until the guy ahead of them signs which believe it or not agents use this as leverage for their clients.

3) Agents just aren't that dumb (save for Ricky Williams' agent in '99), think about how disaterous it'd be for your firm, if someone who was drafted under your client signed for more guranteed money. Their job is to push the envelope in contract negotiations that's why the scott boras' & drew rosenhouses' are highly sought after guys.
Good points.
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At this point, Reggie Bush just might have cracked my top twenty of guys I would have selected. Joseph Addai and Santino Holmes would have helped our O more.

I can't figure out why we promised Mario so much money. We have the leverge - everybody thought we were picking Bush. Why couldn't get talk Mario's agent down - threatening to select Bush.
We did not give his agent the time to negotiate. We offered an amount way over where the agent thought Mario would go. Remember, he thought the Texans were using Mario to get Bush in the fold. That had to be the easiest cut any agent every got. He just screamed "Deal" and fainted.
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We did not give his agent the time to negotiate. We offered an amount way over where the agent thought Mario would go. Remember, he thought the Texans were using Mario to get Bush in the fold. That had to be the easiest cut any agent every got. He just screamed "Deal" and fainted.
Don't know where that comes from. Mario got 10% more than the year before which was right at the cap increase amount so pretty standard. Bush received more and VY received more than either. By the way, Mario got zero signing bonus so the negotiations weren't quite as ordinary as you make out. He received a roster bonus of about $3 mil. That's a far cry from the signing bonus most guys receive at the top.
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Ferguson has allowed 15 sacks in 25 games as a pro. You're kidding yourself if you believe he wouldn't hear his name associated with the word "bust" had he given a similar performance here.
I am in the "no one is worth the first pick money" camp. That being said, they had to pick somebody.

Ferguson is more "better" than than the other options they have at tackle than Mario is "better" than other options they have at end.

And no doubt we'd hear bust about him There is always someone that says that about almost everyone.
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I am in the "no one is worth the first pick money" camp. That being said, they had to pick somebody.


They had to pick somebody that being said we could of traded down to 4 and still got mario for cheaper and picked up and extrapick. with what Mickey Loomis said last year in a piece for ESPN the saints had their Eye on AJ hawk the whole time.
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