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Old 11-06-2007   #21
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At this stage, if there's a crime, it's that he was drafted #1 overall, not that he may convert to OLB. Mario at #1 was probably a mistake, let's move on and get the most out of him.
Going by stats the first 3 picks in 06 were all crimes.
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Actually, I think OMT has a point. There are certain players you just don't draft with the 1st overall pick. Williams was sold to us as the next great pass rushing DE. Those are hard to find. If he transitions into an average OLB, thats a failure. An OLB who is strong against the run is not worthy of a 1st overall choice. I bet Williams is horrible in pass coverage as well

He has the physical gifts to be a success. Get some coaches who can actually utilize him in the role he was supposed to suceed at instead of trying to backfit him to make up for their poor schemes.
We could use him like the Cowboys use Ware. Send him on every play, just from different sides.
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I'm all for trying things differently but to choose a Linebacker as the #1 overall pick?????
31 teams probably wish they had taken DeMeco Ryans in the first round of 2006.

Same year Green Bay took A.J. Hawk in the first round, too.
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Going by stats the first 3 picks in 06 were all crimes.
Indeed. At the time I was a huge advocate of trading down. You could quite easily argue that the most successful draftee from 2006 so far was #30.
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Forget this. I want to know if we can play him at RB in red zone. He does not know how to run over anyone but he might be able to slide down tacklers and get into the end zone. He is definitely worth #1 if he can get 5-6 sacks as DE, switch to OLB and get another 3-4 and then score two TDs as an RB. He is a mite light for LT as someone suggested but maybe tight end?

He was signed as a DE. Play him there.
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Forget this. I want to know if we can play him at RB in red zone. He does not know how to run over anyone but he might be able to slide down tacklers and get into the end zone. He is definitely worth #1 if he can get 5-6 sacks as DE, switch to OLB and get another 3-4 and then score two TDs as an RB. He is a mite light for LT as someone suggested but maybe tight end?
He was signed as a DE. Play him there.
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He might not seek the ground as fast as Dayne anyway.
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Mario doesn't have the agility to play OLB even in a 3-4.

Jason Taylor has alot more quickness than Mario and that is one of the reason it works for him. Another reason is that Jason Taylor is a relentless pass rusher.

This sounds like a really bad idea to me. He is like 300 pounds and people complain about his quickness at DE, imagine at OLB.

It may work if all he did was blitz from that spot, which defeats the whole purpose considering you are trying to confuse the defense not give them a hint about what you are doing.
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If he excels and becomes the monster we thought, why not. I say put him in the best place to succeed. Its narrow minded to say that just because he is a number 1 he should not be a LB. Who cares where he plays as long as he contributes and makes big plays.
This is where we have a different view point. We want him to excel and become the monster we thought he would be at DE! We have had this discussion over an over about how Kubiak wants to generate a good pass rush from the front 4 and not the front 7. We have to get a consistent pass rush from our DL and that's where Mario is going to stay. If he lines up as an OLB for a few plays so be it...that means he's versitile...but to spend the #1 overall pick on a LB is not the wisest investment.

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Same year Green Bay took A.J. Hawk in the first round, too.
Yes you're right, but that doesn't address the fact that choosing Mario to play LB at #1 overall is a waste. AJ Hawk was picked #5 overall by Green Bay. I'm sure 31 teams wish they picked Maquis Colston in the 6th round....so be it.

The point is that when you have the #1 overall pick and you have a plethora of holes you're not getting the best VALUE by choosing Mario #1 for LB. Again, a few times a game...cool. Full time? no. If you want to build a really good LB corps you can easily do that a smarter way that would give you more value per pick.
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I know many of us wish they had a working flux capacitor so they could travel back to the 2006 draft in order to warn Casserly and Kubiak that Mario may not be the best #1 pick. Right now, I don't know if Bush or VY were worthy of that spot either. Maaaaaaybe Bush with the way he's stepped up a bit with Deuce's absense.

But play Mario where he makes the most impact. If it's not at DE, then shame on us, we made a bad choice, but there's really no way applying a "you don't draft LB as the first pick!" argument makes much of a difference if that's what the team chooses to do (which they likely won't).

Make the most out of the PLAYER, not make the most out of a PICK POSITION that occurred 2 years ago.
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This is a good post and a great point...

However I think getting the most from Mario for our Defense is at DE. I think him as a full time OLB would be a huge mistake. Put him there every now and then and tell him what he needs to do during those plays, if you want. But Mario wouldn't make a good every down LB.
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I know many of us wish they had a working flux capacitor so they could travel back to the 2006 draft in order to warn Casserly and Kubiak that Mario may not be the best #1 pick. Right now, I don't know if Bush or VY were worthy of that spot either. Maaaaaaybe Bush with the way he's stepped up a bit with Deuce's absense.

But play Mario where he makes the most impact. If it's not at DE, then shame on us, we made a bad choice, but there's really no way applying a "you don't draft LB as the first pick!" argument makes much of a difference if that's what the team chooses to do (which they likely won't).

Make the most out of the PLAYER, not make the most out of a PICK POSITION that occurred 2 years ago.
For sure, I agree with this.

I would probably quit watching the Texans until they got new coaches if they decided to move Mario to OLB. Seems like a horrible idea.
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I know this is kind of off topic, but does anybody else find it odd that TJ is the only one that bats balls down at the LOS? Mario is probably 5 yards behind the QB at that time, but what about the rest of them?

Sorry about the random thought.
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I know this is kind of off topic, but does anybody else find it odd that TJ is the only one that bats balls down at the LOS? Mario is probably 5 yards behind the QB at that time, but what about the rest of them?

Sorry about the random thought.
Well its hard for Weaver to bat the ball from his back.
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This reminds me:

Why did we switch from the 3-4 in the first place?

I don't think Mario has the football intelligence or agility to play OLB except for rushing the passer directly. He could be a good 3-4 DE though, with his size and strength
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Forget this. I want to know if we can play him at RB in red zone. He does not know how to run over anyone but he might be able to slide down tacklers and get into the end zone. He is definitely worth #1 if he can get 5-6 sacks as DE, switch to OLB and get another 3-4 and then score two TDs as an RB. He is a mite light for LT as someone suggested but maybe tight end?

He was signed as a DE. Play him there.
When he was at NC State they had him do a lot of different things. Including playing some outside linebacker once in a while.

I'm okay with making the Texans defense a little less predictable.
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When you start experimenting with guys in "new" positions its a sign that you are having to be creative to get somethng out of the player...not a good sign at first glance imo
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