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Old 11-16-2004   #1
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How many of you like this simulation video along with its resulting score?

I know I do. Gree Bay 23, Houston 28
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Old 11-16-2004   #2
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Man that was soooo kool....Thanks.... Now if the texans would ONLYYYY play like that....
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Wow, Carr throws two picks in that sim and we still win.
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Well, I hope that is not the outcome of the game. However the Pack is coming off of a high from beating the vikings and they hardly ever win five in a row, but they did just have their bye 2 weeks ago. It should be another good game.
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Even if we lose, I hope you are right because our last two havent been good games by any stretch of the imagination.
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The simulation lost all creditability when Davis ripped off the 20 yard TD...
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Eric Brown starting and getting the pick? Carr throws two INTs and we still win? I wouldn't mind seeing that kind of OLine performance though, and if the O and D lines show up then we'll be in good shape for this game.
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The simulation lost all creditability when Davis ripped off the 20 yard TD...

so you think just cause davis has had a bad season thus far that he cant still have a run of 20 yards or over ?? I have been seeing steady progress from him, and he's showing signs of life again !
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so you think just cause davis has had a bad season thus far that he cant still have a run of 20 yards or over ?? I have been seeing steady progress from him, and he's showing signs of life again !
So far this year he has received 152 hand-offs and his two longest runs are 10 and 12 yards. The rest of his runs were 9 yards and less. He just doesn't have the ability to make people pay. He will get some tough yards here and there but when he 'explodes', its usually for 7 yards.
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Vinny, so what your telling me is that after Emmitt Smiths performance last year the Cardinals gave up on him ??? No and as a matter of fact he is having a pretty good season, after a lot of people said his career was over ! Davis has showed he is injury prone, and has had a bad season, but do you think that its impossible for him to rebound ? Ok i have an idea, lets put a new back in if he dont get a 100 yrds every week we'll get a new one, and a new one and a new one, that sound good ?
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So far this year he has received 152 hand-offs and his two longest runs are 10 and 12 yards. The rest of his runs were 9 yards and less. He just doesn't have the ability to make people pay. He will get some tough yards here and there but when he 'explodes', its usually for 7 yards.
Not an entirely fair evaluation IMO. DD has certainly had his struggles this year, but is it right to throw out last year?

Last season after he became the starter he never had a game without a run of at least 14 yds and had runs of 22, 27, 23, 51 and 21 for runs over 20 yards.

FYI--Tiki Barber (1st guy I looked up--I am sure there are plenty of guys with some long runs too) never had a run over 22 yards last year. Looks like the Giants were wise to keep him despite of his inability to make people pay.
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Vinny, so what your telling me is that after Emmitt Smiths performance last year the Cardinals gave up on him ??? No and as a matter of fact he is having a pretty good season, after a lot of people said his career was over ! Davis has showed he is injury prone, and has had a bad season, but do you think that its impossible for him to rebound ? Ok i have an idea, lets put a new back in if he dont get a 100 yrds every week we'll get a new one, and a new one and a new one, that sound good ?
thanks infantrycak, its funny how after one bad season he becomes a one hit wonder, a big bust
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Vinny, so what your telling me is that after Emmitt Smiths performance last year the Cardinals gave up on him ???
Where did I type "give up" on Dom?
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No and as a matter of fact he is having a pretty good season, after a lot of people said his career was over ! Davis has showed he is injury prone, and has had a bad season, but do you think that its impossible for him to rebound ?
Yeah, rebound to the form he shows as a dynamite third down back. I've been typing he is not a true feature back for over a year. 152 carries later, I have not changed my mind. We need a true feature back. Dom is a 3rd down back. He just isn't that talented.
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Not an entirely fair evaluation IMO. DD has certainly had his struggles this year, but is it right to throw out last year?

Last season after he became the starter he never had a game without a run of at least 14 yds and had runs of 22, 27, 23, 51 and 21 for runs over 20 yards.

FYI--Tiki Barber (1st guy I looked up--I am sure there are plenty of guys with some long runs too) never had a run over 22 yards last year. Looks like the Giants were wise to keep him despite of his inability to make people pay.
I'd trade Dom straight up for Barber but there is one problem. Barber is an explosive tailback and the Giants would laugh at me.
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yeah i like how Green fumbled... damn it! How would they know he has ever fumbled... GREEN NEVER FUMBLES! well let me rephrase that... green doesn't fumble as much in the second half of the season as he does in the first half. he actually switched hands last weekend, i was impressed!
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I'd trade Dom straight up for Barber but there is one problem. Barber is an explosive tailback and the Giants would laugh at me.
I would trade DD for Barber as well. Just funny that there are now three areas for comparison for them: (1) fumbling problems evidently can be corrected, (2) size isn't what determines injuries or the ability to be a full time back and (3) hard to determine explosiveness merely from the longest run.

Clearly DD isn't even himself much less Barber this year. Although Wells has done better this year, DD is still the best we have until/unless Hollings can get healthy and prove something--of course it would help any RB have an opportunity to prove something for the OL to finally gel and do their job half way decently.
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I would trade DD for Barber as well. Just funny that there are now three areas for comparison for them: (1) fumbling problems evidently can be corrected, (2) size isn't what determines injuries or the ability to be a full time back and (3) hard to determine explosiveness merely from the longest run.

Clearly DD isn't even himself much less Barber this year. Although Wells has done better this year, DD is still the best we have until/unless Hollings can get healthy and prove something--of course it would help any RB have an opportunity to prove something for the OL to finally gel and do their job half way decently.
I understand. I also need to make clear that just because I do not like Dom's long term prospects as an NFL feature back, it doesn't mean I'm down on him. I think guys like Kevin Faulk and Dom Davis have a place in this league. I just don't see them as feature backs. They are both excellent fooball players just like Gaffney is a solid slot WR, but that doesn't make him worthless just because he is no WR1.

I just don't understand this mentality that if I don't see him as a legit first rate tailback in the NFL that I must think he is worthless.
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I understand. I also need to make clear that just because I do not like Dom's long term prospects as an NFL feature back, it doesn't mean I'm down on him. I think guys like Kevin Faulk and Dom Davis have a place in this league. I just don't see them as feature backs. They are both excellent fooball players just like Gaffney is a solid slot WR, but that doesn't make him worthless just because he is no WR1.

I just don't understand this mentality that if I don't see him as a legit first rate tailback in the NFL that I must think he is worthless.

No i dont think we think your saying that hmmm(confused myself) !!! But D.D had an awesome 1st year and so far the second year has Stunk, so i'd say give him a 3rd year to see if it was just a bad year or to see if he was a bust/3rd down back ! 1 good year 1 bad, gotta be a tie breaker !
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Is DD having a bad year or is this O-line Scheme change so bad that nobody could run behind it or through it (except the opposition) given the talent we have playing the line or is the scheme so badly designed that no one could?
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I agree that Davis isn't our answer for the future of the running game. I'm not saying I know how to fix it or that I know why he isn't being very productive. I've never thought he was the answer. I like him coming out of the backfield because he does a good job receiving. There are just better options for running the football than him somewhere out there and the Texans need to find them.
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