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Old 10-31-2007   #1
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Charles Spencer: May not make it back as a left tackle & little evidence to support he could be the guy in 2008.

Salaam: Like it or not he is the starter this year. No one has beat him out.

Winston: He is steady at RT. Would you give him a shot?

Pitts: Rarely misses a game and has played LT. Has the contract already.

A draft pick like Ryan Clady that should be available: How are the two stud LTs taken recently in first round doing? A mid to high first round LT is not a guaranteed starter and may need 2-3 years to come into his own.

A free agent: uh, who? Victor Riley types. Most of quality probably will re-sign.

Other options I may have missed for this demanding spot?
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You missed Jordan Black and Brandon Frye......yikes. Looks like another long year with Salaam.
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You missed Jordan Black and Brandon Frye......yikes. Looks like another long year with Salaam.
Neither has a shot at being the starter.
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Charles Spencer: May not make it back as a left tackle & little evidence to support he could be the guy in 2008.

Salaam: Like it or not he is the starter this year. No one has beat him out.

Winston: He is steady at RT. Would you give him a shot?

Pitts: Rarely misses a game and has played LT. Has the contract already.

A draft pick like Ryan Clady that should be available: How are the two stud LTs taken recently in first round doing? A mid to high first round LT is not a guaranteed starter and may need 2-3 years to come into his own.

A free agent: uh, who? Victor Riley types. Most of quality probably will re-sign.

Other options I may have missed for this demanding spot?
I hope Spence can come back and pick up where he left off before Ronny Dayne mounted him, but obviously you're going to have to make a tough decision with him on whether he can come back or whether you need to find another LT.

I am definitely not in favor of taking a 2nd year guy who has just cracked the starting lineup and gotten comfortable in his position and moving him to the opposite side where he has to learn new angles and technique. Plus you typically face the best end on the left side of the offense and I'm not sure how he handles facing those guys on a consistent basis.

Pitts has never been more than okay at LT, but I would consider putting him there if you can get a better interior lineman in the draft or FA.

The line is more about getting guys on the same page, knowing eachother's tendencies and working together as a unit than it is about individual greatness. They need to get a decent line and let them fight together for an extended period of time and I think you will see tons of improvement. You can't just keep taking guys out and throwing other guys in and expect to be better as a unit.
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You missed Jordan Black and Brandon Frye......yikes. Looks like another long year with Salaam.

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I'm in favor of trying Winston at LT. He was a top 10 type talent, the best in his class at LT before his injury. Obviously it took him a while to recover, but his instinct and coaching at Miami has no gone anywhere. He is a very capable OT, and I think he could play LT at a very solid level for us next year.
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It's not like Winston is playing the RT position lights out...given he's a 2nd year 3rd round pick he's obviously doing good.

Is there any chance Winston is BETTER at LT than RT? I'd like to see the coaches play with this in practice.
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Is there any chance Winston is BETTER at LT than RT? I'd like to see the coaches play with this in practice.
We've got some guys who hang around this Board who say Winston is more of a LT than a RT because he's athletic, he's more of a finesse type than the
more power type players who tend to play on the strong-side (right) side of the OLine. And they campaign regularly for him to be moved to LT next year.
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and coaching at Miami has no gone anywhere.
OK I agree with you about giving Winston a chance at LT. But the knock on him and the reason he dropped in the draft was a twofold, one was slow feet, in the senior bowl his feet appeared to be cemented to the field, now part of that could have been his injury not having the full time to recover.

The second knock was his total lack of technique. He was bullying lesser talent in college. Again the senior bowl exposed his lack of coaching.

When the Texans drafted him and pigeoned holed him into the RT position they also set him back with regard to his comfort zone. He was asked to move and then do everything backwards, that is hard to do. Some guys can do it seamlessly and others take time.

All that said, he is my first option, Pitts is my second option, lets see what Frye has to offer, and go from there. I would look very hard at OT in the 1st round of the draft, after a trade down, under current rankings and trade charts we could get Ryan Clady and a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I am not counting on Spencer to make it back to LT, I hope he can still play some OL position for us.

BTW I like the idea of trying Frye at OC. Why not?
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Default Re: Texan left tackle 2008

If we would have gone after Gather in the Sup. Draft like we should have, we wouldn't be having this problem. Sorry I know that it is too late to be crying about this, but it still erks me that we could have had him for our third rounder (there won't be anyone close to that talent when we draft this year).
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OK I agree with you about giving Winston a chance at LT. But the knock on him and the reason he dropped in the draft was a twofold, one was slow feet, in the senior bowl his feet appeared to be cemented to the field, now part of that could have been his injury not having the full time to recover.

The second knock was his total lack of technique. He was bullying lesser talent in college. Again the senior bowl exposed his lack of coaching.

When the Texans drafted him and pigeoned holed him into the RT position they also set him back with regard to his comfort zone. He was asked to move and then do everything backwards, that is hard to do. Some guys can do it seamlessly and others take time.

All that said, he is my first option, Pitts is my second option, lets see what Frye has to offer, and go from there. I would look very hard at OT in the 1st round of the draft, after a trade down, under current rankings and trade charts we could get Ryan Clady and a 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I am not counting on Spencer to make it back to LT, I hope he can still play some OL position for us.

BTW I like the idea of trying Frye at OC. Why not?
If you are right and we can swap first and pick up a 2nd and a 3rd. I say "done deal". Which do you think would benefit us more, swap firsts and get another (Dallas) first or swapping and getting a 2nd & 3rd? I realize it is difficult as not knowing where any picks would be. Just an interesting idea as I understand the first three rounds offer more talent than last year and we did very well then.
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Jake Long, Michigan could still be available when the Texans select or trade down, add a 2nd rd. pick (Center Alex Mack, Cal) & pick Ryan Clady, Boise State, that would provide instant infusion to the O-Line
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If we draft an LT, and Spencer comes back and plays well, how easily could they adjust to playing a guard? Or RT and cold Winston play guard?

IE IMO it's time to stop banking on unkown injuries and draft, ASSUMING if Spencer does come back we wouldn't be wasting a player.
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If we draft an LT, and Spencer comes back and plays well, how easily could they adjust to playing a guard? Or RT and cold Winston play guard?

IE IMO it's time to stop banking on unkown injuries and draft, ASSUMING if Spencer does come back we wouldn't be wasting a player.
That is an assumption I do not want to make. I want the best tackle we can draft, if Long is available I get him. I think I saw a mock showing him going 1st pick. If he is not available and keep in mind the picks of LT in upper first round have not set the world on fire, I would hope someone would trade with us. I am open to an RB but only two are worth a top ten pick, McFadden and Jonathan Stewart. Some like Ray Rice but I have not seen any mention of him recently.

We seem to forget Spencer looked good but only played in a few games. We may be projecting too much even if he comes back 100% healthy. Our O line is so bad, we should go for LT even if C.S. comes back.
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The LT needs to be fixed with a resounding slam dunk in the draft. The position is that critical. I don't think it should be fixed with a developmental guy, unless the guy is already in house and will be on the field next September. I'll beat my dead horse and say I don't want the Texans to try another free agent at left tackle. I have yet to see it work well, and I think they need to try a new tactic.

First round, trade up if need be. Get the best or second-best tackle coming out of the NCAAs. Somebody who is as ready to play as a draft pick can be.
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If we draft an LT, and Spencer comes back and plays well, how easily could they adjust to playing a guard? Or RT and cold Winston play guard?

IE IMO it's time to stop banking on unkown injuries and draft, ASSUMING if Spencer does come back we wouldn't be wasting a player.
Just me, but I really don't think Spencer's coming back. Even if he does, I think he won't make final cuts next year. Too bad of an injury and too much time on the sidelines.
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We seem to forget Spencer looked good but only played in a few games. We may be projecting too much even if he comes back 100% healthy. Our O line is so bad, we should go for LT even if C.S. comes back.

My question is can an LT play RT and can a RT/LT switch to guard?

I'm all for drafting an LT, but what happens to Spencer if he comes back and wins the LT job or wins a starting job but not LT?
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They need to take an LT, but will they? Nope

Its going to be an RB or a CB, someone McNair can market
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My question is can an LT play RT and can a RT/LT switch to guard?

I'm all for drafting an LT, but what happens to Spencer if he comes back and wins the LT job or wins a starting job but not LT?
Supposedly, on the Texans they can do that and more. Most of the players are on the roster because they are swing players, though I have only seen McKinney "swing" to other positions.

What I have heard is that changing from one side of the ball to the other is difficult for offensive linemen. It's retraining your thinking process and the movements of hands and feet.

It is possible to switch, but very difficult and not normally recommended.
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My question is can an LT play RT and can a RT/LT switch to guard?

I'm all for drafting an LT, but what happens to Spencer if he comes back and wins the LT job or wins a starting job but not LT?
I think the answer to your question is yes. Winston was a LT converted to right and though not a candidate for pro bowl seemingly has done a good job.
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I think many O tackles are converted to guard and do well. Injuries to our key players have crushed us the last two years.

Take any good team and remove their best W/R, starting center, starting RB, starting SS, starting back up SS, #3 W/R and then have your starting QB knocked out of a couple games. Most teams would have a dismal record also.

And then there are our turn overs...
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