Dunta-Is this true?

[Porky]

Originally Posted by bckey

In Corpus Christi CBS has chosen to show the Colts/Pats game instead of the Texans so I don't even have a choice.

If only Houston could get the Pats/Colts game I might actually be able to watch a quality game.

[digitalswim]

Originally Posted by Specnatz

Franchise Tag .................................................. ....



D'oh

No way in hell the Texans are gonna franchise him when the average one year salary for a franchised DB is $7,790,000 million. The guy is solid but he isn't worth top 5 DB money nor does it make financial sense to burn up cap room with a big one year contract for a guy that would want to leave the team the following year as many of you are suggesting.

[mridge01]

Originally Posted by bah007

Dunta had near perfect coverage on that play & Collins put the ball exactly where it had to be.

Dunta got beat deep but he did everything right. Sometimes (especially in Houston sports) the other guys just have more luck than you do.

If he got beat, then by definition he didn't do everything right. Starting with playing only two yards of the receiver without jamming him. On 3 and long, give a little cushion, or if you're going to play up, jam the receiver.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by mridge01

If he got beat, then by definition he didn't do everything right. Starting with playing only two yards of the receiver without jamming him. On 3 and long, give a little cushion, or if you're going to play up, jam the receiver.

He had good coverage...but the S was like a mile away from the play. We should have had two S up top but we went with single S....bad scheme, poor coaching, and Dunta takes the blame.

[Leahmic223]

Originally Posted by digitalswim

No way in hell the Texans are gonna franchise him when the average one year salary for a franchised DB is $7,790,000 million. The guy is solid but he isn't worth top 5 DB money nor does it make financial sense to burn up cap room with a big one year contract for a guy that would want to leave the team the following year as many of you are suggesting.

Man he deserves top 5 DB money because if he goes to any other team, thats what he's going to become. Also if we lose him we'll have NOTHING at secondary, we should make strides to keep him, otherwise we'll have ANOTHER major hole to fill.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Vinny

He had good coverage...but the S was like a mile away from the play. We should have had two S up top but we went with single S....bad scheme, poor coaching, and Dunta takes the blame.

On this play , if I'm not mistaken , Collins only looked this way . You'd think that maybe the safety would think ... hmmm ... they're protecting Collins and this is single coverage .

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by Vinny

He had good coverage...but the S was like a mile away from the play. We should have had two S up top but we went with single S....bad scheme, poor coaching, and Dunta takes the blame.

I agree. The other day I was talking about how if you blamed anyone, blame the scheme or coaching. Dunta was in the right place. Its a situation where you have to give them credit for making a perfect play. Dunta was man enough to accept it. I'm not sure what people are in here ripping the guy, he is the one guy who cares and goes all out and is one of our best players. People get beat.

If junior or someone else can name one one outspoken leader on a team that has never had a bad game or never made a bad play I'm open to it. Kond of hard to make every play on defense when there are only 2-3 out of 11 guys capable of playing at a high enough standard to start of teams.

[digitalswim]

Originally Posted by Leahmic223

Man he deserves top 5 DB money because if he goes to any other team, thats what he's going to become. Also if we lose him we'll have NOTHING at secondary, we should make strides to keep him, otherwise we'll have ANOTHER major hole to fill.

For the record I do not think he is going anywhere despite his grumbling. The only reason I responded was because of the mentioning of franchising him which would never happen.

Depsite evidence to the contrary I do not believe the Texans are that innept to let their best DB go. They will mash out a deal long before it is even an issue. In fact this issue is really all about knee jerk over reactors jumping to conclusions because he isn't even in a contract year anyway.

The guy plays hard and wants his buddies to play hard as well. I can respect that. I think I would have had a man to man discussion with my teammate before calling him out on a radio show but I guess thats how he rolls. Whatever blows your dress up...

[Leahmic223]

Originally Posted by digitalswim

For the record I do not think he is going anywhere despite his grumbling. The only reason I responded was because of the mentioning of franchising him which would never happen.

Depsite evidence to the contrary I do not believe the Texans are that innept to let their best DB go. They will mash out a deal long before it is even an issue. In fact this issue is really all about knee jerk over reactors jumping to conclusions because he isn't even in a contract year anyway.

The guy plays hard and wants his buddies to play hard as well. I can respect that. I think I would have had a man to man discussion with my teammate before calling him out on a radio show but I guess thats how he rolls. Whatever blows your dress up...

I was just saying, we should do anything to keep him here.

As for the comments, they don't affect me as much. I just find it odd that Kalu said Mario played well, and before the season Weaver was saying thet he works too hard to not reach his potential. With Kubiak saying what he did, it seems the general consensus from the Texans is that Mario is doing his job.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by digitalswim

In fact this issue is really all about knee jerk over reactors jumping to conclusions because he isn't even in a contract year anyway.

I'm the one that brought it up and it's not overreacting. It is speculation from fans that are tired of watching a crappy product for 6 straight seasons, so one can only imagine what D.Rob thinks about it. When you add this to the fact that the Texans FO tends to ship off vocal players who do not tow the company line, it is a legitimate concern.

Football is a business, so there is no "jumping to conclusions" to discuss the nature of the way things work. To be naive to that part of the industry is just delusional and a bit stupid, in all honesty. Asante Samuel - one of the best DBs in football - just got franchised and he'll be a free agent next season as a result. What makes you believe that we have the power to keep players when a dynasty like the Pats have the same problem?

Originally Posted by digitalswim

I think I would have had a man to man discussion with my teammate before calling him out on a radio show but I guess thats how he rolls.

And how do you know that he didn't have a man-to-man discussion with his teammates? I bet your big man complex would shrink if you had the opportunity to call out Dunta in person.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Leahmic223

I was just saying, we should do anything to keep him here.

As for the comments, they don't affect me as much. I just find it odd that Kalu said Mario played well, and before the season Weaver was saying thet he works too hard to not reach his potential. With Kubiak saying what he did, it seems the general consensus from the Texans is that Mario is doing his job.

The "smart" folks on this board say he's not, but of course none of them are coaching in the NFL, for whatever that's worth. Count me among those wondering what the heck to believe. I know what I expect, and I know I'm not seeing it, but without access to game film, I don't know what the coaches expect, and are seeing to make them happy. *shrug*

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

When you add this to the fact that the Texans FO tends to ship off vocal players who do not tow the company line, it is a legitimate concern.

Do we really have anything to support this other than fan speculation?--who falls into this category?

Sharper--is there reason to believe this was the reason v. what they said--a huge cap number and concerns about his knee--which turned out correct.
Walker--speaking out really the reason or a huge cap number and missing 18 games.

Originally Posted by eriadoc

The "smart" folks on this board say he's not, but of course none of them are coaching in the NFL, for whatever that's worth. Count me among those wondering what the heck to believe. I know what I expect, and I know I'm not seeing it, but without access to game film, I don't know what the coaches expect, and are seeing to make them happy. *shrug*

I still would love to know what the fracas on the sideline was against TN. Interesting that it was the DE's Mario and Kalu disagreeing with the coach.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by eriadoc

The "smart" folks on this board say he's not, but of course none of them are coaching in the NFL, for whatever that's worth. Count me among those wondering what the heck to believe. I know what I expect, and I know I'm not seeing it, but without access to game film, I don't know what the coaches expect, and are seeing to make them happy. *shrug*

This staff also has a vested interest in propping him up, so I'm not buying everything they say as "fact". The same things were said about Carr before they unceremoniously tried to get rid of him before The Big Dump.

I don't know what to think, either, but I do know that the experts at NFLN are not too impressed and other teams are not very concerned about our 'well-stocked' defensive line right now. That is reality.

[eriadoc]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

This staff also has a vested interest in propping him up, so I'm not buying everything they say as "fact". The same things were said about Carr before they unceremoniously tried to get rid of him before The Big Dump.

I don't know what to think, either, but I do know that the experts at NFLN are not too impressed and other teams are not very concerned about our 'well-stocked' defensive line right now. That is reality.

Not really. Kubiak said things like he expects more from David, he knows David can do better, David's done some good things, but there's work to do, etc. He never used the word "exceptional" when describing David Carr's season. Kubiak never really throws his guys under the bus, but his praise for Mario has been over the top thus far. It makes me wonder what I've been missing.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Do we really have anything to support this other than fan speculation?--who falls into this category?

Sharper--is there reason to believe this was the reason v. what they said--a huge cap number and concerns about his knee--which turned out correct.
Walker--speaking out really the reason or a huge cap number and missing 18 games.

yeah, it's speculation, but sometimes fans can be pretty astute. Don't forget Glenn! He wasn't too happy, and neither was Eric Moulds, for that matter. We can 20/20 hindsight their careers all day, but they were contributors when they were fired. And the only source we seem to have is 'official sources', and I'm not about to bite that hook, line, and sinker.

This owner is big on "high character", and it seems safe to assume that speaking out publicly against the company line is frowned upon.

It doesn't take a PhD in anything to understand that a fierce competitor like D.Rob is just getting tired of being on a garbage team that lacks the basic fundamentals required to consistently win games. It's basic human nature, really. I can't blame him if he ends up leaving and I wouldn't hold it against him. It's a business, he wants to win, and we suck.

[Runner]

Originally Posted by Leahmic223

...it seems the general consensus from the Texans is that Mario is doing his job.

In public anyway.

[Runner]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Do we really have anything to support this other than fan speculation?--who falls into this category?

Of all the players mentioned, I think Aaron Glenn may have been in this category.

[Napa Auto Parts]

Originally Posted by bckey

In Corpus Christi CBS has chosen to show the Colts/Pats game instead of the Texans so I don't even have a choice.

Lucky you some people in houston will have to watch the texans play unless they go out to their local sports bar.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

yeah, it's speculation, but sometimes fans can be pretty astute. Don't forget Glenn! He wasn't too happy, and neither was Eric Moulds, for that matter. We can 20/20 hindsight their careers all day, but they were contributors when they were fired. And the only source we seem to have is 'official sources', and I'm not about to bite that hook, line, and sinker.

Fans can be pretty astute and at the same time they have a tendency to read all the tea leaves as ill visions when the team isn't winning. The problem with using Glenn as an example is we do have an unofficial source--him. He said exactly the same thing as the club, that the Texans intended to keep him when they brought Buchanon in and he asked to be released which they agreed to because of his almost franchise CB salary.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Fans can be pretty astute and at the same time they have a tendency to read all the tea leaves as ill visions when the team isn't winning. The problem with using Glenn as an example is we do have an unofficial source--him. He said exactly the same thing as the club, that the Texans intended to keep him when they brought Buchanon in and he asked to be released which they agreed to because of his almost franchise CB salary.

I sweep all of this under the file tab of "Casserly" and try not to understand.