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Old 10-31-2007   #21
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Acuracy make a QB good. Since day 1 Schaub has thrown the ball high or behind in several throws per game. I am not saying Schaub sucks I think his timing is off and that is fixable. Most of his interseptions were tip ball or behind the reciever. if Glue hand Andre Davis has to jump 10 feet every time he wants to catch a ball he is going to tip some, resulting in the defense getting a grab at the ball. Matt is better than David Carr but he is no Tom Brady. He is no Peyton Manning, I do not see everybody being happy if we had 1 of these two QB's. Matt could be helped a lot with some protection from the paycheck grabbers we have on the O line. How is it that an offensive minded coach continually over looks the O line. I believe it takes time to build a team but Parcels did it in 3 years. What I want is some consistancy from the Team and that starts with Schaub, A consistant high or behing throw is not what I am talking about.
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And yet he spends a lot of time doing dramatic head-holding on the sidelines recently. I mean, that was a good whack he got yesterday, but it wasn't near as bad as many hits NFL QBs routinely get. Everybody was sort of standing still and the guy launches at Schaub from a dead stop. A big hit, but not a monster. On top of which Schaub has about four other injuries I've heard about--leg, hip, back. And we've got like a dozen sacks total?

Isn't anyone beginning to wonder about the guy's durability?

And did anyone notice that his play Sunday BEFORE the hit was, to be kind, erratic? He looked shell-shocked, nervous, scared, like he couldn't wait to get that damn ball out of his hands so he wouldn't get hit.

Like everybody else I was a big fan at the beginning of the season, but I gotta say I'm beginning to have serious doubts now. Of course, as a career backup, no one ever had any idea about Schaub's durability because he'd never been tested under fire. But we're only 8 weeks in and he looks down for the count.
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Schaub hasn't even had a full season worth of starts. He's basically a rookie in that regard. So I can cut him some slack for not throwing perfection with every pass. And in spite of that, he still ranks high in QB skills stats.

His durability could be an issue, because he's taken some punishment. I don't fault him for it, but rather an offense that cannot establish the run and a marshmallow offensive line. Schaub and our WRs have been one of the few bright spots on the team this year along with Kris Brown.
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I swear to everloving God, I cannot believe some of the nonsense I read on this board sometimes. Schaub has been probably the only bright spot on the team so far this season, and yet some of you have the audacity to question his 'durability' from the dirty hits he's been taking.

I think I'm just going to hang out at the No Spin Zone from now on. If I stay here at Texans Talk, I'm going get banned sooner rather than later. I just can't handle this stupidity.
Ditto for me. I think my IQ just dropped 20 points from reading this thread. I won't even get into the accusation that somehow Shcaub is soft or brittle. That's so ignorant that it doesn't even deserve a response.

One reason Carr didn't get hurt much was because he usually dropped to the fetal position at the first sign of pressure. Schaub stands tall in the pocket against the rush and delivers the ball down the field. He actually makes plays instead of running out of bounds or sacking himself.

Matt needs to get better on the picks, no doubt, but let's analayze some of the reasons for this. First, he actually throws the ball down the field, and attempts to test the deep middle. These throws are more likely to be picked. Or would all of you prefer a bunch of hitch passes and screens? That's all Carr could do folks. What short memories some of you have. Second, we have no running game. The opposition is playing a lot of deep zone and the LB's are taking drops deeper into the secondary because nobody respects our running game. This leads to more tips and more picks in general as they can sit back and read the QB's eyes. Until we get a running game that teams are forced to respect, expect more of the same. Next, try taking away one of the best weapons in the NFL from any QB and watch him struggle a bit. Lastly, the guy is basically a rookie, and unlike the previous QB, seems to actually learn from his mistakes.

But, it's a whole lot easier to pick on Schaub, you know the only guy really making plays out there on offense. Anyone care to guess how bad this offense would be with Carr at the helm. I shudder and get chills just thinking about it.
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Porky explain the high and behind throws15 yards down feild, was he going deep but it was too low, I don't think so. Schaub is not the almighty saviour for the Texans offense. Now A couple of good Offensive linemen probably would be the saviours.
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Porky explain the high and behind throws15 yards down feild, was he going deep but it was too low, I don't think so. Schaub is not the almighty saviour for the Texans offense. Now A couple of good Offensive linemen probably would be the saviours.
watch some other NFL QB's is all I can say. Schaub isn't anyone's "saviour"...if you think/thought that you were just out of touch with reality to begin with. Schaub has been one of the few reasons this team isn't 1-7 right now.
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Porky explain the high and behind throws15 yards down feild, was he going deep but it was too low, I don't think so. Schaub is not the almighty saviour for the Texans offense. Now A couple of good Offensive linemen probably would be the saviours.

I totally agree with Vinny on this, and unless you know the route that was supposed to be run, the coverage, etc. it's hard to say what happened on the pass you mention. Yes, even Brady and Manning sometimes have a pass that sails or that is behind the receiver, and maybe that's what happened. I'm not sure how much general NFL ball you watch, but your take is naive at best.
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I'm not sure how much general NFL ball you watch, but your take is naive at best.
Exactly. It was funny, right after this little criticism started cropping up I happened to catch the Jags Indy game where Reggie Wayne caught 9 passes for 131 yards. At least 5 of those receptions were poor throws according to some around here where Wayne had to dive, stop, leap or catch behind him to make the play. The standard being applied to Schaub because of the losses is just ridiculous.
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What about K. Brown? How about the main reason we're not 1 - 7.
I like how Kris drove the team down the field from our own 2 yard line to pull out the Miami game....he rocks.
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If that big fat Titan had fallen on me the way he did Matt I'd still be in the hospital.

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I know that Carr feels the same way Porker, with the Panthers who are at the top of their Div, while we sit at O - 3 in our Div.
Wonder how Carr reacted to the smattering of boos that he received when he came on the field to take over for Vinny...?

Caddy, you should go read Carolina's message board. There is plenty of Carr bashing going on already. There is even a thread that wants to start Moore over Carr... Quote: "BUT SERIOUSLY WE ARENT GOING TO WIN ANOTHER GAME WITH GRANDPA AND MADONNA PLAYING QB!" Link: PLEASE START MOORE

It looks like Texans Talk last year, the year before, the year before that, etc...
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I swear to everloving God, I cannot believe some of the nonsense I read on this board sometimes. Schaub has been probably the only bright spot on the team so far this season, and yet some of you have the audacity to question his 'durability' from the dirty hits he's been taking.

I think I'm just going to hang out at the No Spin Zone from now on. If I stay here at Texans Talk, I'm going get banned sooner rather than later. I just can't handle this stupidity.
I'm with you and I just started reading this thread. I'm amazed that some people actually call themselves football fans. We get rid of a guy who was and is going nowhere and get a new guy and right off the bat people want him to be 19-20, 275 yards, 2 TDs and 0 ints every game....and if he does make a bad throw it was just a glitch. The guy was Top 10 in 7 categories up until 2 weeks ago and was actually doing something we hadn't seen in years..going downfield. He also can keep his head downfield and move out of the pocket without going fetal.

As for the hit. Anyone who has played knows the difference in hits. Schaub didn't even see it and took it under the chin. Most players like receivers and backs that take hits are expecting them and they either brace or position themselves so the big hit is more of a big glance...Emmitt was awesome at this. I shake my head reading some of this stuff.

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And how did he help..by getting out of the way so a 43 year old journeyman could take over?You prove yourself ignorant to football but all heart for Dave everytime yout start to type. I think your Carr FatHead needs new candles in front of it now. The guy is proving what we already knew.
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Good post Frog. You are strong when behind a keyboard. All knowing and a person who denigrates anyone who won't sink to you level.
If that makes you feel better. Sorry, your MO is known. It isn't like you are somebody giving an unadulterated, football related opinion. That would take knowledge beyond what size underroos Dave used to wear. You are a guy with a crush or a connection to Carr that can't accept that he was subpar here and is subpar with a line in Carolina. I'll stop making you look foolish when you stop showing up to lift your skirt and wave your tail in the air.

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Yes, he rocks... he's the answere to our red zone problems and if you look at his page. Got so many AFC ST honner's it shows who is doing a great job. With an injury to boot.
Can you "honor" me by getting me the Rosetta Stone to translate this?
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Hey, that cute... bet you were big in the boys room writting on the wall and doors.
I'm sure it beats what you've done in the boys room, Caddy. You peeping Tom you. I'm sure Carr enjoyed you though.
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I swear to everloving God, I cannot believe some of the nonsense I read on this board sometimes. Schaub has been probably the only bright spot on the team so far this season, and yet some of you have the audacity to question his 'durability' from the dirty hits he's been taking.

I think I'm just going to hang out at the No Spin Zone from now on. If I stay here at Texans Talk, I'm going get banned sooner rather than later. I just can't handle this stupidity.
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Hey, that cute... bet you were big in the boys room writting on the wall and doors.
Again can I get an Caddy to Intelligent translator please?Stick to the subject which was what a majority of my first response was about.
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concussions and maybe even whiplash a few times... keep that up, and you're liable to end up in bad shape.
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Schaub's injuries amount to nothing more than a flesh wound.

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Those were both vicious hits, and he never saw Florence's. Paul Bunyan might've fudged his flannel after those hits. Plus, concussions are serious. It's difficult to open your eyes with the persistent migraines much less focus on leading a team. It's not like he left the game with a thigh bruise or something.
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