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Old 10-30-2007   #1
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"I didn't see the hit, but if it was dirty, maybe we should have a dirty hit on their quarterback and all chip in to pay the fine. We just don't have that mentality, and maybe we should get it. It is old school. And that's how football should be played."
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N.D. Kalu has the right idea, even though Kubiak says the team doesn't or shouldn't play that way.
It's really like the countrys policy on torturing terrorists. Of course you don't do it, officially. But off the record, in reality you do what you need to do.
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Schaub's teammates are frustrated by what has happened the past two weeks to their quarterback. He was knocked out against the Tennessee Titans and San Diego Chargers by illegal hits.

"Guys are coming after us. We need to come after them a little more," defensive end N.D. Kalu said. "It's almost like we're too nice out there.
Then do something about it!!!

Ya think?!?!
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Then do something about it!!!

Ya think?!?!
Been telling ya to get that buck eighty five out there on the field, Bill!
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Then do something about it!!!

Ya think?!?!
Well .... we'd have to get an interception or fumble first .

i guess we could blitz a db but it could only be Dunta . The way the others hit it would'nt be a cheap shot cause I don't think they'd knock Rivers down .

Of course by getting even , we would'nt get the sportsmanship award .
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Default Re: Chronicle reporting Schaub hurting, probably out vs Raiders

Here's an old-school idea....

Send D-Rob on a CB blitz the same way the Steelers used to send Rod Woodsonagainst the Oilers. Moon would always get knocked senseless and our passing game would suffer.

....or Kalu could have just taken a shot at Rivers back when he had the chance.
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Default Re: Chronicle reporting Schaub hurting, probably out vs Raiders

I am not concerned about the retaliation for the Schaub hit because in the course of a return there is a lot of stuff going on and most players didn't see it as it happened.

This is what I am concern with:

Gary Kubiak Can't Say Conc..., Concuss..., Describes Matt Schaub as 'Dinged'

Chronicle calls it a concussion. Kubiak won't characterize it.

If you can't trust them to be straightforward about this, what sort of injury will they be straightforward with? Is there a medical privacy reason for not revealing this?
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Kubiak doesn't have to characterize it, because I know a bruised brain when I see one.....
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I am not concerned about the retaliation for the Schaub hit because in the course of a return there is a lot of stuff going on and most players didn't see it as it happened.

This is what I am concern with:

Gary Kubiak Can't Say Conc..., Concuss..., Describes Matt Schaub as 'Dinged'

Chronicle calls it a concussion. Kubiak won't characterize it.

If you can't trust them to be straightforward about this, what sort of injury will they be straightforward with? Is there a medical privacy reason for not revealing this?
I'm about 99.9% sure that part of the NFLPA deal waives medical privacy. Our team just seems to play games with announcing injuries.
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I'm about 99.9% sure that part of the NFLPA deal waives medical privacy. Our team just seems to play games with announcing injuries.
I tried to look into this and all I found was this:

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* Lawrence L. Lamade Esq, Counsel to the NFL Management Council, speaking on the effects of HIPAA law on disclosure of an athlete's medical condition.
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Default Re: Chronicle reporting Schaub hurting, probably out vs Raiders

It may sound wrong...but I would have sent N.D. or Shantee or one of these backup DEs that can generate some speed to come off the edge and late hit blind side Rivers right in the earhole. Then I would have had my DE walk over to the San Diego sideline and start pointing at Florence while bouncing and shaking his head up and down. Then I would have my whole defense start jumping on him and congratulating him, almost as if our defense had gotten an interception or recovered a fumble. Mass celebration: chest bumping and high fives all around. Probably would have resulted in an ejection, but nobody would have missed that message, I can tell you that.
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Default Re: Chronicle reporting Schaub hurting, probably out vs Raiders

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I am not concerned about the retaliation for the Schaub hit because in the course of a return there is a lot of stuff going on and most players didn't see it as it happened.

This is what I am concern with:

Gary Kubiak Can't Say Conc..., Concuss..., Describes Matt Schaub as 'Dinged'

Chronicle calls it a concussion. Kubiak won't characterize it.

If you can't trust them to be straightforward about this, what sort of injury will they be straightforward with? Is there a medical privacy reason for not revealing this?
My read on the unwillingness to use the C word is, once you label a player as having had a concussion, they come under intense scrutiny about being able to play.

I know many of you have been frustrated by lack of forthcoming on the part of the Texans, but I think this one may fall in a different category.

There is so much pressure now about head injuries from the press and the league, I wonder if the Texans are trying to avoid the "concussion" label.

I'm not trying to defend the stance necessarily - just explain it.
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Default Re: Chronicle reporting Schaub hurting, probably out vs Raiders

Is culpepper still starting for the Raiders...and do they still have an OL that rivals ours as the worst in the league. I think our players are getting pissed off and are going to come after Oakland. Our team is getting embarassed out there and I can tell our players are starting to get really upset.

I don't know if we win against oakland...I sure hope so. But I think our team players with more of a fire than it has. That in itself is a moral victory.

And I agree with TC on this...after Schaub threw the interception, all our players were looking for the ball/guy...I don't think our guys saw Schaub get hit like that because he was behind everybody...If they did I would think they would have started a HUGE fight. I almost wish we would have had a big brawl and I don't normally promote fighting. It would have built some team commraderie (sp?)
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Default Re: Chronicle reporting Schaub hurting, probably out vs Raiders

Isn't Shanny the weasel always shady on his injuries as well? The apple doesn't fall far from the tree?

I've never gotten the mindgames these folks play with injury reports.
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Default Re: Chronicle reporting Schaub hurting, probably out vs Raiders

Even if that were true (players reacting to the interception returner and not seeing the initial hit on Schaub), I am sure that the hit was shown on the replay and certainly coaches up in the box saw it and could relay it down to the field...
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Has anybody noticed how that is the second player on our defense to say that we are "too nice"?
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Even if that were true (players reacting to the interception returner and not seeing the initial hit on Schaub), I am sure that the hit was shown on the replay and certainly coaches up in the box saw it and could relay it down to the field...
I am sure that in SD they wouldn't replay a hit on the QB in the stadium. They followed the ball carrier.

Even after the game, Kubiak said he wanted to look at the tape.

Stuff on the field looks different than when you are watching the game on TV. That's why I always TiVO games that I was at, unless I goon and forget.
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Not alot of things worse than a soft football team. Or a team coached to be soft.
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I am sure that in SD they wouldn't replay a hit on the QB in the stadium. They followed the ball carrier.

Even after the game, Kubiak said he wanted to look at the tape.

Stuff on the field looks different than when you are watching the game on TV. That's why I always TiVO games that I was at, unless I goon and forget.
Of course Kubiak wanted to look at the tape after the game - thats as cliche as Craig Biggio saying "we wanted to do this 'for the fans'" - but dont think for a second that the coaches in the box, didnt see it and I know that someone on the sideline saw it...

If anything, the television softens the blow compared to at field level.
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I think on the official injury report, Kubiak is listing Schaub's injury as a "bobo".
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