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Old 10-29-2007   #81
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Rob Ryan would be a GREAT candidate as DC but I just can't see him as Head Coach anywhere outside of Oakland. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't want my head coach looking like he works in the offseason as a roadie for Iron Maiden.
if Pee Wee Herman could get us to the playoffs, I wouldn't care if he spent the offseason in a lot of adult theaters...just give us wins baby!
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Old 10-29-2007   #82
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I sure don't want the Texans to become one of "those" teams that churns through coaches every few years. I was hoping we would become something of what Cowher, Landry, Fisher have done and been allowed to stay and establish some kind of franchise personality.
The Oilers were one of those teams, he constantly fired coach's till he got the right fit. I think he even went through five coachs in seven years at one point.

But it worked, Glanville filled in as HC midway through a season, the next we were in the playoffs, fired Glanville, Hired Pardee, still in the playoffs, fired Pardee, got Fisher, went to the superbowl.

We could hang on to projects and end up like the Bengals.
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The Oilers were one of those teams, he constantly fired coach's till he got the right fit. I think he even went through five coachs in seven years at one point.

But it worked, Glanville filled in as HC midway through a season, the next we were in the playoffs, fired Glanville, Hired Pardee, still in the playoffs, fired Pardee, got Fisher..........................
Fixed it for ya.
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I sure don't want the Texans to become one of "those" teams that churns through coaches every few years. I was hoping we would become something of what Cowher, Landry, Fisher have done and been allowed to stay and establish some kind of franchise personality.

However, if we're all going to throw names out there...how about that crazy looking dude in Oakland. Buddy Ryans son right? That guy looks like someone I would love to have watching my back walking into a rough bar.
24 games in, and I don't know what the personality or identity is on this team, do you? It's like mashed potatoes is the closest I can come up with.

Bland, whipped, and soft.
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24 games in, and I don't know what the personality or identity is on this team, do you? It's like mashed potatoes is the closest I can come up with.

Bland, whipped, and soft.
Well this is why I will say my number one gripe with Kubiak is he needs to get some stones and tell the old farts Sherman and Smith to take a hike. It's his team, not Sherman's. Sometimes I wonder if because of Kubiak's young age (in coaching terms) if he gets bullied around by these guys and feels like he can't step up to them.
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You need quality starters first. We don't even have quality starters at CB (other than Drob), safety, OLB, and the entire offensive line. Yes, depth is the goal, but it takes a while to get there.
I could understand this if our problems were much more limited in the amount and we didn't have as much money to use. We have problems ALL over the field. The only thing opposing offenses are having trouble with is finding out WHICH weakness they want to exploit.
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Fixed it for ya.
Fisher went to the Superbowl, played the Rams.

Or are you talking about not as an Oiler? If so I was referring to the organization since they lay claim to all of our history.
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btw just a comment on the great coaches we have to obviously get... what's their offensive philosophy again? yeah they'd fit right in here

http://texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43764
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btw just a comment on the great coaches we have to obviously get... what's their offensive philosophy again? yeah they'd fit right in here

http://texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43764
This isn't about the offense. Cowher would bring someone in to handle the offense and get the job done. This is about changing the mentality and the direction of this franchise and VASTLY improving the quality of our assistant head coaching staff. This is about instilling some fire, emotion, and most importantly, ACCOUNTABILITY for sub-par play. This is about not letting your team lose a game by the end of the 1st Quarter. This is about bringing in someone with TRUE credibility and championship respect and giving them a challenge in turning a fledgling franchise into a program that we could all be proud of.

It's not often when the timing aligns to make such a huge move and we should learn from our past mistakes and make the BLOCKBUSTER move.

It would take some money but you could effectively buy the services of Cowher, LeBeau, AND Faneca this offseason. Why not? Only Faneca would count against the salary cap and it would improve our team greatly on both sides of the ball. It can be done. You are going to be bidding against other teams but in today's league there should be no limit to what you are willing to spend in regards to coaching.

Look at Snyder in Washington. He spent all willy-nilly on players for years and never did crud, he then realized that he could spend the big money on coaching and it wouldn't hurt the team. He went out and lured one of the all time great coaches and the staff that comes with him.

Look at Jerrah up in Big D. He needed a facelift for his franchise to go along with his facelift for his face...so what does he do? he goes out and signs Parcells to rebuild and next thing you know they have a legitimate NFC contender a few years later. Granted, Parcells leaves but he left behind some quality infrastructure of coaches and developed players behind.

There is admittedly a lot to be said about stability but if you look at it, does anyone really think that Kubiak has what it takes to reach the Super Bowl? I don't. That is what this is all about after all. Shoot for the moon and you are more likely to reach the highest of highs.
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Well this is why I will say my number one gripe with Kubiak is he needs to get some stones and tell the old farts Sherman and Smith to take a hike. It's his team, not Sherman's. Sometimes I wonder if because of Kubiak's young age (in coaching terms) if he gets bullied around by these guys and feels like he can't step up to them.
Not that I agree with your assessment but how can you lead strong willed football players if you can't even lead your assistant coaches?
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Basically, if Cowher says he wants 'Joe Gibbs' money, you draft up the contract that same day and get the deal done. Make it Joe Gibbs salary with huge incentives on top of it regarding playoffs, playoff wins, championships, etc. just get it done.

If there is one thing you don't go cheap on, that is coaching...

its down to either re-signing Kubiak to an extension or making him a lame duck coach in 2008...both bad choices...OR they could push him out the door justifiably by hiring Cowher and Co. to coach and manage the football franchise.

i think it would be perfect for Cowher as he has a bit of an ego. He would be THE MAN here in Houston so he would love that. In Philly, you are just another coach and a Steeler coach at that. Where else is he going to go that has that much of a better future in it than the Texans. The Texans have the youngest roster in the NFL. There is talent on the team. We just need an identity and Cowher would bring that in spades. You bring in Cowher and his assistants in and the Texans are the talk of the league.
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If Kubiak ends with less than 6 wins, you might see McNair have a knee jerk reaction.
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I am not in for getting a new coach yet, but like TC said.. our defense needs a boost in coaching.

offense is soft, yeah, we run a finesse offense like denver's.. I am not sure what y'all expected out of the offense.. if it was smashmouth.. well you should have known that was not coming with Kubiak's hiring..

I don't like to make excuses, but what can you say.. this team still is trying to build depth.. is a coincidence that when AJ went down, this offense isn't the same? Spencer down,McKinney down..Ahman Green hasn't helped much..

defensively.. simply overmatched and it is a shame with all the "talent" that we have drafted and we are still struggling.. (well we knew secondary was weak outside of D-rob)

Every team has injuries and they just "plug and play" but this team has drafted poorly and it is showing big time along with our coaching on defense
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Most of Cowher's players didn't like him. Kubiak might be too far in the other direction.
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If Kubiak were to get fired, I would hope for Marty Schottenheimer to be the next Head Coach, because he has a long history of turning around losing franchises. I don't care about his supposed inability to win in the playoffs. If your team can't even get to the playoffs, then how can you even complain about his playoff record?
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so you don't think Cowher would come here? why not? we would have to pay him a lot of $$ but there are a lot of positives to coming here. i don't think this job scares anyone off. Jimmy just likes to fish and make a cool million showing up in a studio 20 days out of 365....I hope you have a higher opinion of Houston professional football than to think that a coaching candidate wouldn't want to come here.
No, I do not think that Cowher would want to come to Houston. Even if the Texans wrote him a huge ole check and then doubled it.

IIRC, his family built a big house in NC. He is not from here. I could see him going to the Panthers if he were interested in unretiring.

Some coaches have picks of whatever jobs they want. I don't see him wanting this job. Most hot head coaches have Phil Jackson syndrome--they go to the place that they think is prestigious and has the base talent to give them an opportunity to win. Nothing like a sorry situation to torpedo your career (see Mike Sherman not getting a $$$ NFL head coaching job offer again--he should have asked for less money in AZ). The Texans have never been over .500, most of the country doesn't know squat about them other than punchlines, and much of the personnel is transitional from 3-4 to 4-3 or are system guys or make-dos.
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Not that I agree with your assessment but how can you lead strong willed football players if you can't even lead your assistant coaches?
In Kubiak's case, I think he could have done a very good thing by bringing in intelligent and experienced minds to help him out his first couple of years on the job. Guys he can look up to and ask for guidance. I mean Sherman his first season was called Assistant Head Coach IIRC. But I do think it can become problematic when he no longer wants or needs that advice, yet feels pressured to listen to it due to the amount of respect he has for the older, wiser individual. I think anyone can struggle with this, yet still be fully capable of leading his team. I'm not saying he's not leading the assistants, but perhaps he just isn't pushing off enough to fully be on his own and make this HIS team not he and Sherman's team.
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I donno about that. This Texans team isn't even competitive. They have not looked like a NFL team the last 3 weeks giving up 108 points between the Jags, Chargers and Titans. This team has been outcoached and plays soft. Not a good combination.
Kubes has one more season left. If he can't turn it around next season, I am thinking we will be on our 3rd coach. Of course if the ship rights itself by the end of this season and next year we are 13-3, then he will get an extension. But I am not holding my breath on that one.

Offensively the team is paper thin in terms of depth and injuries have made the team worst than last season. But even in those first 3 games, Schaub did show a habit of throwing the ball up for grabs 2 or 3 times a game. Remember Kubiak saying they needed to correct that? So him throwing picks now is not exactly surprising. Defensively there is no excuse for this crap. Remember going into the season, everyone was harping on the way this same defense closed out the season last year? Remember how everyone was expecting that to continue? What happened!?!?!?
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