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Old 10-29-2007   #61
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Let's get Jimmy Johnson here too.

Oh wait, he wanted nothing to do with coaching here.

Let's talk about the litany of coaches who aren't likely to come to Houston.
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I draw the line at reflecting on Bud in a positive light.
Bud was and always will be a marketing disaster but he has always hired good football people and let them build his team as he got the heck out of the way. One of the biggest reasons the team had to give up two picks for Schaub was McNair getting in the way and not having the ability to see that Carr was garbage and insisted on extending him the MAX contract extension. That totally altered the draft and the future of the team...not to mention that McNair hired a coach based on what was best for Carr, and not the team.
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Bud was a jerk, but he at least was colorful, hired colorful people, was not an ***** and realized the benefits of picking a legend from Texas. His litmus test in selecting a coach that would keep Carr was mind boggling.
If McNair hasn't realized by now that his football insight is worth absolutely nothing and that he should make zero football decisions I just can't see us going anywhere by plan. We would have to get a good coach by accident.
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Bud was and always will be a marketing disaster but he has always hired good football people and let them build his team as he got the heck out of the way. One of the biggest reasons the team had to give up two picks for Schaub was McNair getting in the way and not having the ability to see that Carr was garbage and insisted on extending him the MAX contract extension. That totally altered the draft and the future of the team...not to mention that McNair hired a coach based on what was best for Carr, and not the team.
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Second Honeymoon: I will agree that Glanville went too far with some of his shenanigans. However, he doesn't get the credit he deserves for turning around a loser program like we have right now and getting them to become a hard hitting, winning football team.

When your team is a loser, you have to first rebuild pride and his whole army helmet given to the most ferocious special team player built the fire you needed to turn a loser to a winner. I remember that he had physical football teams that would NEVER stand for their QB getting nearly decapitated without retribution. You bet your ass Cris Dishman, William Fuller, Ray Childress et al. would have dished out some payback. There was a reason why the Dome was called the House of Pain back then. BTW, that era when all the AFC Central teams hated each other was my fondest time as an NFL fan

This team has no personality or spark. I am tired of plastic emotionless coaches leading this team. You can get by being no-personality if you are Bill Belichick who is one of the greatest defensive minds of all time. We need a guy here in the mold of Mike Leach, Cowher, Mark Richt (loved that he wanted his team to have an all team TD celebration to turn their losing streak to UF around).
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When your team is a loser, you have to first rebuild pride and his whole army helmet given to the most ferocious special team player built the fire you needed to turn a loser to a winner.
actually, I think that was the idea of the special teams coach....Richard Smith's idea...you know him, he's our DC.
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Bud was and always will be a marketing disaster but he has always hired good football people and let them build his team as he got the heck out of the way. One of the biggest reasons the team had to give up two picks for Schaub was McNair getting in the way and not having the ability to see that Carr was garbage and insisted on extending him the MAX contract extension. That totally altered the draft and the future of the team...not to mention that McNair hired a coach based on what was best for Carr, and not the team.
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Let's get Jimmy Johnson here too.

Oh wait, he wanted nothing to do with coaching here.

Let's talk about the litany of coaches who aren't likely to come to Houston.
so you don't think Cowher would come here? why not? we would have to pay him a lot of $$ but there are a lot of positives to coming here. i don't think this job scares anyone off. Jimmy just likes to fish and make a cool million showing up in a studio 20 days out of 365....I hope you have a higher opinion of Houston professional football than to think that a coaching candidate wouldn't want to come here.

For crying out loud, Cowher remembers the good ole days of Oiler football. He knows it can work here and he knows we have the facilities, fanbase, $$, and some important core pieces of personnel already in place. We got a QB, a bonafide #1 WR, some potential at DL and LB. He would make it work. He always did regardless of who left the Steelers roster on a perennial basis.

Coaching is in Cowher's blood. He is the PERFECT candidate to turn this thing around. Kubiak was not. He was just the sentimental favorite and went to A&M and had local ties. BFD. Russ Grimm or Al Saunders would have been a better fit as developing head coaches....but for some reason everyone thought Kubiak was ready....obviously he was not.

Cowher knows that whatever job he gets he is going to have job security and ultimate authority. He could look at this as a challenge. If he goes to the Eagles, then hire Andy Reid. Both would bring far superior staffs with them.....if we move fast in the offseason.

Lord, please let A&M lure Kubiak away from the Texans. It would just make everything so much easier for everyone.
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i'm going to new orleans next week to find a good voodoo shaman. if anyone else wants to throw down some cash, we can have a zombie lombardi here in houston in about two weeks.
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Lord, please let A&M lure Kubiak away from the Texans. It would just make everything so much easier for everyone.
just don't let them see any Texans games. Showing Titan or Cowboy games in College Station may not be such a bad marketing move after all.
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Second Honeymoon: I will agree that Glanville went too far with some of his shenanigans. However, he doesn't get the credit he deserves for turning around a loser program like we have right now and getting them to become a hard hitting, winning football team.

When your team is a loser, you have to first rebuild pride and his whole army helmet given to the most ferocious special team player built the fire you needed to turn a loser to a winner. I remember that he had physical football teams that would NEVER stand for their QB getting nearly decapitated without retribution. You bet your ass Cris Dishman, William Fuller, Ray Childress et al. would have dished out some payback. There was a reason why the Dome was called the House of Pain back then. BTW, that era when all the AFC Central teams hated each other was my fondest time as an NFL fan

This team has no personality or spark. I am tired of plastic emotionless coaches leading this team. You can get by being no-personality if you are Bill Belichick who is one of the greatest defensive minds of all time. We need a guy here in the mold of Mike Leach, Cowher, Mark Richt (loved that he wanted his team to have an all team TD celebration to turn their losing streak to UF around).
The guys want to play for guys like that....that may come back to bite him in the SEC but it worked on Saturday.....as for fiery yet stoic coaching, watch Fisher coach. Intensity, focus, and he is in the game. Kubiak looks puzzled half the times and always a step behind the opposition. I wish Bud would have been stupid enough not to lock him up.
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While I am not fond of the idea of kicking Kubiak to the curb after just two seasons, the idea of having either Cowher or Schottenheimer tickles my fancy. One interesting idea could be this, bring in Marty as the head coach and Cowher as the defensive coordinator. Cowher used to work under Marty as special teams coach for the Browns from 1985-1988 and as the defensive coordinator for the Chiefs from 1989-1992.

Yeah it's just a dream, but I would be down for that combination.
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What sucks is that if the Texans got more national media coverage there would be alot more heat on Kubiak. Nobody knows what's going on with the Texans, Kubiak will never be on the national media hotseat.
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While I am not fond of the idea of kicking Kubiak to the curb after just two seasons, the idea of having either Cowher or Schottenheimer tickles my fancy. One interesting idea could be this, bring in Marty as the head coach and Cowher as the defensive coordinator. Cowher used to work under Marty as special teams coach for the Browns from 1985-1988 and as the defensive coordinator for the Chiefs from 1989-1992.

Yeah it's just a dream, but I would be down for that combination.
that may be past dream status and more like a utopia....

something tells me that Cowher isn't going to take a Defensive Coordinator position

FWIW - giving Kubiak 2 years is not 'kicking him to the curb'. it's either fire kubiak now or re-sign him. that is where we are at. if we don't resign him then he is a lame duck coach in the final year of his deal in 2008. if we resign him we only seal our losing fate further. a 3 year deal is essentially a 2 year window in the NFL for a coach to show improvement....personally, I havent seen enough improvement to warrant him being resigned and a lame duck coach will equal another horrible season of Texans football.
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I sure don't want the Texans to become one of "those" teams that churns through coaches every few years. I was hoping we would become something of what Cowher, Landry, Fisher have done and been allowed to stay and establish some kind of franchise personality.

However, if we're all going to throw names out there...how about that crazy looking dude in Oakland. Buddy Ryans son right? That guy looks like someone I would love to have watching my back walking into a rough bar.
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I sure don't want the Texans to become one of "those" teams that churns through coaches every few years. I was hoping we would become something of what Cowher, Landry, Fisher have done and been allowed to stay and establish some kind of franchise personality.

However, if we're all going to throw names out there...how about that crazy looking dude in Oakland. Buddy Ryans son right? That guy looks like someone I would love to have watching my back walking into a rough bar.
Rob Ryan would be a GREAT candidate as DC but I just can't see him as Head Coach anywhere outside of Oakland. Call me old-fashioned, but I don't want my head coach looking like he works in the offseason as a roadie for Iron Maiden.
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Great so all of our starters just have to not get injured. We must avoid any and all injuries. You don't need quality backups in football, nobody ever gets injured. Why would a coach try and get quality backups??? What ***** would do that? I hope Faggins doesn't get injured...the guy is just such a valuable player. God forbid our rookie cornerback comes in and doesn't get beat on every passing play.
You need quality starters first. We don't even have quality starters at CB (other than Drob), safety, OLB, and the entire offensive line. Yes, depth is the goal, but it takes a while to get there.
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